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testosterone lvls between whites and blacks

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asian guy

Seattle, WA

#1 Nov 12, 2008
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full...

heres a good study link on it
heres a result
Results: After applying sampling weights and adjusting for age, percent body fat, alcohol, smoking, and activity, testosterone concentrations were not different between non-Hispanic blacks (n = 363; geometric mean, 5.29 ng/ml) and non-Hispanic whites (n = 674; 5.11 ng/ml; P > 0.05) but were higher in Mexican-Americans (n = 376; 5.48 ng/ml; P < 0.05). Non-Hispanic blacks (40.80 pg/ml) had a higher estradiol concentration than non-Hispanic whites (35.46 pg/ml; P < 0.01) and Mexican-Americans (34.11 pg/ml; P < 0.01). Non-Hispanic blacks (36.49 nmol/liter) had a higher SHBG concentration than non-Hispanic whites (34.91 nmol/liter; P < 0.05) and Mexican-Americans (35.04 nmol/liter; P < 0.05).

in short, even though they did thousands of people its not enough to be sure.

but the testosterones of whties and blacks were basicly the same. however blacks had more estrogen(female hormones)

Ok furthermore, mexicans had more testosterone than whites and blacks, and also similar estrogen to blacks.

All in all, blacks and whites in this study seem to fare the same, but mexicans on top.

anyways why are you guys fighting on who has more testosterone?
asian guy

Seattle, WA

#2 Nov 12, 2008
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10604704

heres another one.

results, they have no difference in testosterone lvls
asian guy

Seattle, WA

#3 Nov 12, 2008
http://www.gnxp.com/oldblog/nopub/85396447

this is a bullshlt site that many of you have used as an argument, I jsut read it, and then I asked my uncle whos a biochemist.

he's one of the guys who makes sure that the dairy products in the United states is safe for you americans.

Anyways this site has nothing backing up its data, and it shows no records of anything.
asian guy

Seattle, WA

#4 Nov 12, 2008
I'ma keep looking up results and posting on here, so that everyone who believes their race is superior will one day realize that you cant use race because asia=too big of an area to generalize

africa=too big of an area to generalize

europe is still too big of an area to generalize

generalizations for genetics would work better for small areas that have not had new people coming over to mate for many generations so that everyone in that area has the same genes, which is really rare to find, since everyone is mixed.
asian guy

Seattle, WA

#5 Nov 12, 2008
quote from a student that studies the human genome

Scientists don't "know" any such thing! This is merely wishful thinking - something that the Hudson Institute specializes in.

First, any student anatomist can identify a person's race by a variety of physical features. Forensic pathologists can often identify a person's race by a single tooth or a few bones.

Second, when it comes to genes, it is much more honest to say that based on the current state of knowledge scientists cannot identify a person's race by analyzing his genes. To point out that there is very little genetic diversity between humans of all races does not mean there aren't meaningful differences between the races. Sometimes, a single genetic defect can make a HUGE difference in a person's wellbeing. Or, look at it this way: Chimps and humans share over 98% of their genetic makeup. Clearly, that 2% makes a LOT of difference.

What bothers me most about this pseudo-scientific hokum that tries to say there are no differences between the races is that it begs the question: Why the disparity in behavior and outcomes? If we are all the same, then why do blacks - 13% of the population - make up only 2% of corporate executives and commit 50% of the crime? Why has black student achievement lagged that of whites at the same rate for nearly 30 years - ever since the government has measured it - despite $billions of government money? If we are all the same - THEN WHITE PEOPLE MUST BE RACIST OPPRESSORS WHO WILL NOT/CANNOT CHANGE. If you were black and believed that the only reason you were not doing as well as whites was because they have been keeping you down for hundreds of years and show no sign of every stopping, how long would YOU put up with this situation?

looking at peoples genes cant tell you what race they are.

oh yeah I should've asked my uncle since thats what he has a masters in from college.

oh well.

BTW every race of people has all the same genes for every feature except for a few.

if you ever been to a class that studies genes, you'll prob see pictures of asian/white/black people with the same exact faces but different skin. Why? ok heres the answer, they all shared the same exact genes for those features that gives them the bone structure, however they are not related at all.

Ok I'ma post some more proof for ignorant people on topix that believes in race superiority, as I'm tired of their comments which has no backing
asian guy

Seattle, WA

#6 Nov 12, 2008
http://books.google.com/books...

this link shows some more evidence to no difference between race.

but they did do a study on monkeys that had dads(specifically dads) had no serotonin levels, which increased bad behavior because the monkeys with the low lvls of serotonin had low levels of self control and negative emotions.

and I'm not trying to be racist, but its kinda obvious that asians are the least likely to be fatherless in this country.

whites generally by statistics also have dads more often than blacks.

Ok I'ma do some links on serotonin levels now since I've already proven that the testosterone level is total bullshlt between race
asian guy

Seattle, WA

#7 Nov 12, 2008
Anyone who reads all this and all these links will soon learn more about the human species, and that chemically we're not different, dont give me any of this race superiority bullcrap, I'm tired of it.
I want you to admit that most of this has to do with diet/excercise/good or bad parents or no parents.
sense

Saint Charles, MO

#8 Nov 12, 2008
asian guy wrote:
Anyone who reads all this and all these links will soon learn more about the human species, and that chemically we're not different, dont give me any of this race superiority bullcrap, I'm tired of it.
I want you to admit that most of this has to do with diet/excercise/good or bad parents or no parents.
smartest person I've seen on the forum in a long time.

I'm biased though, I think Asians are smart! lol!
Truth be told, your above posts were excellent.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#9 Nov 12, 2008
asian guy wrote:
http://jcem.endojournals.org/c gi/content/full/92/7/2519
heres a good study link on it
heres a result
Results: After applying sampling weights and adjusting for age, percent body fat, alcohol, smoking, and activity, testosterone concentrations were not different between non-Hispanic blacks (n = 363; geometric mean, 5.29 ng/ml) and non-Hispanic whites (n = 674; 5.11 ng/ml; P > 0.05) but were higher in Mexican-Americans (n = 376; 5.48 ng/ml; P < 0.05). Non-Hispanic blacks (40.80 pg/ml) had a higher estradiol concentration than non-Hispanic whites (35.46 pg/ml; P < 0.01) and Mexican-Americans (34.11 pg/ml; P < 0.01). Non-Hispanic blacks (36.49 nmol/liter) had a higher SHBG concentration than non-Hispanic whites (34.91 nmol/liter; P < 0.05) and Mexican-Americans (35.04 nmol/liter; P < 0.05).
in short, even though they did thousands of people its not enough to be sure.
but the testosterones of whties and blacks were basicly the same. however blacks had more estrogen(female hormones)
Ok furthermore, mexicans had more testosterone than whites and blacks, and also similar estrogen to blacks.
All in all, blacks and whites in this study seem to fare the same, but mexicans on top.
anyways why are you guys fighting on who has more testosterone?
Hmmm, interesting.

“so it is”

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#12 Nov 13, 2008
asian guy wrote:
http://jcem.endojournals.org/c gi/content/full/92/7/2519
heres a good study link on it
heres a result
Results: After applying sampling weights and adjusting for age, percent body fat, alcohol, smoking, and activity, testosterone concentrations were not different between non-Hispanic blacks (n = 363; geometric mean, 5.29 ng/ml) and non-Hispanic whites (n = 674; 5.11 ng/ml; P > 0.05) but were higher in Mexican-Americans (n = 376; 5.48 ng/ml; P < 0.05). Non-Hispanic blacks (40.80 pg/ml) had a higher estradiol concentration than non-Hispanic whites (35.46 pg/ml; P < 0.01) and Mexican-Americans (34.11 pg/ml; P < 0.01). Non-Hispanic blacks (36.49 nmol/liter) had a higher SHBG concentration than non-Hispanic whites (34.91 nmol/liter; P < 0.05) and Mexican-Americans (35.04 nmol/liter; P < 0.05).
in short, even though they did thousands of people its not enough to be sure.
but the testosterones of whties and blacks were basicly the same. however blacks had more estrogen(female hormones)
Ok furthermore, mexicans had more testosterone than whites and blacks, and also similar estrogen to blacks.
All in all, blacks and whites in this study seem to fare the same, but mexicans on top.
anyways why are you guys fighting on who has more testosterone?
Good post.
asian guy

Seattle, WA

#13 Nov 13, 2008
kangaroo wrote:
That's an interesting study. Mexicans have the highest?.. interesting.
But I would like to see a study done by a reputed Medical School in order to see accurate answers.
It would require them to use as many common denominators as possible (which is something your link didn't have).
- Instead of such a wide age group, if they took a group of persons in the age group of 20 - 25.
- The whole "average person" is an invalid concept. I think they should have taken maybe a set of taxi drivers or athletes or a group of persons living a very similar lifestyle. Which leads me to my next point.
- the test did not account for cortisol levels, blood pressure levels and BMR of each group. This would be more reflective of he person's lifestyle
- The test also did not account for HGH levels
My point being, to do an isolation test and say "a person of this race has more testosterone than a person of that race" is quite hard to prove.
i know, but its the best study that I found so far.

For instance if you put the average man vs me, he'll have like half my testosterone as I do heavy labor work, and he doesnt
Dr Endo

AOL

#14 Nov 13, 2008
Both whites and asians have a hard accepting but ....

Testosterone and its metabolite, dihydrotestosterone, are the principal trophic hormones that regulate growth and function of skeletal muscle tissue. This report gives the results of assays of circulating steroid hormone levels in white and black college students in Los Angeles, CA. Mean testosterone levels in blacks were 19% higher than in whites, and free testosterone levels were 21% higher. Both these differences were statistically significant. Adjustment by analysis of covariance for time of sampling, age, weight, alcohol use, cigarette smoking, and use of prescription drugs somewhat reduced the differences. After these adjustments were made, blacks had a 15% higher testosterone level and a 13% higher free testosterone level.

PMID: 3455741 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Related ArticlesSerum androgens and sex hormone-binding globulins in relation to lifestyle factors in older African-American, white, and Asian men in the United States and Canada.[Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 1995] Serum androgen concentrations in young men: a longitudinal analysis of associations with age, obesity, and race. The CARDIA male hormone study.[Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2002] Glutathione S-transferase M1 genotype affects aminobiphenyl-hemoglobin adduct levels in white, black and Asian smokers and nonsmokers.[Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 1995

Since: May 08

Stockholm

#15 Nov 13, 2008
asian guy wrote:
http://jcem.endojournals.org/c gi/content/full/92/7/2519
heres a good study link on it
heres a result
Results: After applying sampling weights and adjusting for age, percent body fat, alcohol, smoking, and activity, testosterone concentrations were not different between non-Hispanic blacks (n = 363; geometric mean, 5.29 ng/ml) and non-Hispanic whites (n = 674; 5.11 ng/ml; P > 0.05) but were higher in Mexican-Americans (n = 376; 5.48 ng/ml; P < 0.05). Non-Hispanic blacks (40.80 pg/ml) had a higher estradiol concentration than non-Hispanic whites (35.46 pg/ml; P < 0.01) and Mexican-Americans (34.11 pg/ml; P < 0.01). Non-Hispanic blacks (36.49 nmol/liter) had a higher SHBG concentration than non-Hispanic whites (34.91 nmol/liter; P < 0.05) and Mexican-Americans (35.04 nmol/liter; P < 0.05).
in short, even though they did thousands of people its not enough to be sure.
but the testosterones of whties and blacks were basicly the same. however blacks had more estrogen(female hormones)
Ok furthermore, mexicans had more testosterone than whites and blacks, and also similar estrogen to blacks.
All in all, blacks and whites in this study seem to fare the same, but mexicans on top.
anyways why are you guys fighting on who has more testosterone?
You do know that the only way for a man to have higher level of estrogen is by either taking estrogen pills/shots or by having higher production of testosterone.

As we all know a certain percentage of testosterone is transformed into estrogen in all males which means that more testosterone in the body (in mcg or mg) leads to more estrogen.

A perfect example of that are those who inject testosterone (anabolic steroids) in their bodies. This leads to higher testosterone (and thus higher estrogen) levels in the body that results in gynecomastia (bitch tits).
asian guy

Seattle, WA

#16 Nov 13, 2008
EriWK wrote:
<quoted text>
You do know that the only way for a man to have higher level of estrogen is by either taking estrogen pills/shots or by having higher production of testosterone.
As we all know a certain percentage of testosterone is transformed into estrogen in all males which means that more testosterone in the body (in mcg or mg) leads to more estrogen.
A perfect example of that are those who inject testosterone (anabolic steroids) in their bodies. This leads to higher testosterone (and thus higher estrogen) levels in the body that results in gynecomastia (bitch tits).
lol from what I know, thats when you inject testosterone.
Thats why its better to increase testosterone lvls naturally.

heres some ways to boost testosterone levels

excercise, being happy actually helps allot(basicly not depressed), men who have sex more has higher testosterone(only works if you ejaculate), and good sleep.
Dr Endo

AOL

#17 Nov 13, 2008
Higher testosterone levels in blacks is both good and bad. Higher testosterone does build stronger bones and more lean muscle mass in blacks. However, it also increases the risk of prostate cancer and contributes to aggressive behavoir in black males--negatives.
asian guy

Seattle, WA

#18 Nov 13, 2008
oh btw, I forgot to say, that all those studies that I linked that I said made most sense all said that they didn't have enough people to do tests on to be 100% correct.

Especially most of them were mainly black and white, not enough of other people.

it is prob why they shown results with mexicans having the most testosterone, and almost no asians in any of those testings so for asians it was inconclusive lol.

But I will try to conduct a test of my own one day which instead of testing people by race alone.

I'll test by age/activities/diet/mood(do they have depression)

Since: May 08

Stockholm

#19 Nov 13, 2008
asian guy wrote:
<quoted text>
lol from what I know, thats when you inject testosterone.
Thats why its better to increase testosterone lvls naturally.
heres some ways to boost testosterone levels
excercise, being happy actually helps allot(basicly not depressed), men who have sex more has higher testosterone(only works if you ejaculate), and good sleep.
Well yes the case of gynecomastia only occurs with very high (unnaturally high) testosterone levels but I used that as an example to show that males naturally convert a specific percentage of estrogen into testosterone meaning that higher levels of natural estrogen in a mans body is a sign of higher levels of natural testosterone in the body.

Besides you forgot to add that intake of zink, magnesium and B6 also increases aswell as improves the quality of naturally produced testosterone.
Dr Endo

AOL

#20 Nov 13, 2008
Yes, asian men are at the bottom at the food chain when it comes to testosterone and it is hard for them to accept that on average asians are not as masculine as blacks, or even whites. But asians do tend to be quite intelligent and only rarely does brains and brawn co-exist.
asian guy

Seattle, WA

#21 Nov 13, 2008
EriWK wrote:
<quoted text>
Well yes the case of gynecomastia only occurs with very high (unnaturally high) testosterone levels but I used that as an example to show that males naturally convert a specific percentage of estrogen into testosterone meaning that higher levels of natural estrogen in a mans body is a sign of higher levels of natural testosterone in the body.
Besides you forgot to add that intake of zink, magnesium and B6 also increases aswell as improves the quality of naturally produced testosterone.
lol I forgot to do that didn't I?

used to be a health nut.

Well I'm glad that more and more people are reading this, and learning that the testosterone thing and which race is strogner is total bullshlt.
The Moor

Detroit, MI

#22 Nov 13, 2008
asian guy wrote:
http://jcem.endojournals.org/c gi/content/full/92/7/2519
heres a good study link on it
heres a result
Results: After applying sampling weights and adjusting for age, percent body fat, alcohol, smoking, and activity, testosterone concentrations were not different between non-Hispanic blacks (n = 363; geometric mean, 5.29 ng/ml) and non-Hispanic whites (n = 674; 5.11 ng/ml; P > 0.05) but were higher in Mexican-Americans (n = 376; 5.48 ng/ml; P < 0.05). Non-Hispanic blacks (40.80 pg/ml) had a higher estradiol concentration than non-Hispanic whites (35.46 pg/ml; P < 0.01) and Mexican-Americans (34.11 pg/ml; P < 0.01). Non-Hispanic blacks (36.49 nmol/liter) had a higher SHBG concentration than non-Hispanic whites (34.91 nmol/liter; P < 0.05) and Mexican-Americans (35.04 nmol/liter; P < 0.05).
in short, even though they did thousands of people its not enough to be sure.
but the testosterones of whties and blacks were basicly the same. however blacks had more estrogen(female hormones)
Ok furthermore, mexicans had more testosterone than whites and blacks, and also similar estrogen to blacks.
All in all, blacks and whites in this study seem to fare the same, but mexicans on top.
anyways why are you guys fighting on who has more testosterone?
More white male bullshit, and we already know that white men tend to be more bitch and passive aggressive like women, than black men or hispanic men anyway!

And every "Asian guy" is not a damn genius, this is just another stupid stereotype.

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