Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#4494 Jan 18, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
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No evidence Barros never has evidence.
The chords are evidence, heidelbergensis boy.

Where are the chords from, eh?

LOL... you won't answer, you lying racist piece of shit.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#4495 Jan 18, 2013
Redefined wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no evidence linkin' any of the style of music to American Blues, Jazz, Rock or Gospel. Right now all I'm reading is ur opinion with no facts supported.
Listen to that music, boy. What do you hear? CHORDS!, lol... using European scales and harmonies also.

Yes, there is the evidence. You cannot find that in African music, only European.

You lose, racist liar.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#4496 Jan 18, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
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American popular music predominately descends from African influence hence why it has been ''African Americans'' creating the popular genres, setting the trends as opposed to ''European Americans''.
The same applies for dancing.
Give it a rest already.
Speaking of dancing... a major influence on break dancing was “buck dancing”, of Appalachian provenance, though based on prior Celtic forms with some influence from African-Americans also.

You cannot avoid this mixing of Euro and African influences in music and in much of USA culture.

Too bad you racists can't accept that... but, as racists, you're always wrong and therefore irrelevant.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#4497 Jan 18, 2013
Redefined wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't want you to educate me. I'm NOT sittin' in ur classroom.
You've never done well in any classroom, I can see that.

You could pay attention to what I post and you would learn a lot.

But it is your free choice to remain the ignorant racist braying jackass you are.
Bigsmoke

London, UK

#4498 Jan 18, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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Now he's claiming Caribbean music has European elements. BUT this is coming from same person who claims Europeans invented writing & has the oldest Civilization.
He's a eurocentric, it's what eurocentrics do.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#4499 Jan 18, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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Now he's claiming Caribbean music has European elements. BUT this is coming from same person who claims Europeans invented writing & has the oldest Civilization.
Which is proven. You can produce no writing older than that of the Vincan Tartaria tablets.

And no civilization is yet uncovered older than Vinca 5000 bc.

Too bad that offends your racist Afronazi sensibilities.

I was just listening to Mighty Sparrow... I notice his songs use EUROPEAN chords and scales! LOL!!!

Also European metric structure.

Up yours, boy.
Bigsmoke

London, UK

#4500 Jan 18, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
The chords are evidence, heidelbergensis boy.
Where are the chords from, eh?
LOL... you won't answer, you lying racist piece of shit.
So why have ''European Americans'' generally failed to set musical trends in US history?
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Listen to that music, boy. What do you hear? CHORDS!, lol... using European scales and harmonies also.
Yes, there is the evidence. You cannot find that in African music, only European.
You lose, racist liar.
You're really claiming there was no harmonies in African music? LOL, you small mind.
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Speaking of dancing... a major influence on break dancing was “buck dancing”, of Appalachian provenance, though based on prior Celtic forms with some influence from African-Americans also.
You cannot avoid this mixing of Euro and African influences in music and in much of USA culture.
Too bad you racists can't accept that... but, as racists, you're always wrong and therefore irrelevant.
''Rhythm'', Europeans generally lack such a thing in regards to dancing compared to Africans and their descendants in the Americas.

Polyrhythms is African and rhythmic dancing is also African in origin.''European Americans'' called it all jungle and initially taboo for a reason.

Nobody is denying European influence the argument here is it is dwarfed compared to the African influence so stop trying to say otherwise. Remember I'm from Europe.

“The truth will be told”

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

by miss Stoned Cold

#4501 Jan 18, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Like nost in here, you completely miss the point.
Egyptian civilization, according to the genetic, morphological and archaeological evidence I've read of, was created in Upper Egypt by black people.
But that does not mean that Afronazis can claim civilizations far and wide all over the earth as black, when they were not. These racist misfits are committing racist crimes against other peoples! Against everyone from the Olmecs to Hebrews to Chinese to Celts!
This racism will not stand, and will be demolished with reason and by any means necessary.
I'm not concerned with the Olmecs or the Hebrews. I'm speaking of Ancient Egypt. An African culture. And it makes no difference to me if AA's today are not directly linked to them. We are not directly linked to East Africans either yet we are all the same race despite small variations. It's no different to Western Europeans taking credit for Mediterranean or Roman histories because they are European.

“Freedom”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#4502 Jan 18, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Which is proven. You can produce no writing older than that of the Vincan Tartaria tablets.
And no civilization is yet uncovered older than Vinca 5000 bc.
Too bad that offends your racist Afronazi sensibilities.
I was just listening to Mighty Sparrow... I notice his songs use EUROPEAN chords and scales! LOL!!!
Also European metric structure.
Up yours, boy.
For me to be offended, I would have to value ur opinion & I don't. That's why you continue to post the same thing over & over & over & over again.

“Freedom”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#4503 Jan 18, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Speaking of dancing... a major influence on break dancing was “buck dancing”, of Appalachian provenance, though based on prior Celtic forms with some influence from African-Americans also.
You cannot avoid this mixing of Euro and African influences in music and in much of USA culture.
Too bad you racists can't accept that... but, as racists, you're always wrong and therefore irrelevant.
Africans & their descendants do not need influences to create their own instruments, dances or genres. Someone here posted a list of instruments that have West African origin brought over to The Americas. I will look for the thread to show you ur whole 'chord' argument is weak, lol

“Freedom”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#4504 Jan 18, 2013

“The truth will be told”

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

by miss Stoned Cold

#4505 Jan 18, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
Listen to that music, boy. What do you hear? CHORDS!, lol... using European scales and harmonies also.
Yes, there is the evidence. You cannot find that in African music, only European.
You lose, racist liar.
To be fair,most instruments played by AA's are of European origin so to say you cannot find these chord structures in African music is unfair. Of course AA's are going to have to play instruments from a different origin to their own according to the design of the instrument.

Thats like claiming that a culture that didnt have drums would have to learn rhythmic beats in order to play the instrument correctly if ever given one to play.

“Freedom”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#4506 Jan 18, 2013
Stoned Cold wrote:
<quoted text>To be fair,most instruments played by AA's are of European origin so to say you cannot find these chord structures in African music is unfair. Of course AA's are going to have to play instruments from a different origin to their own according to the design of the instrument.
Thats like claiming that a culture that didnt have drums would have to learn rhythmic beats in order to play the instrument correctly if ever given one to play.
Many instruments AA's used came from Africa. He may not be aware of this which is why he's using 'chords' as his argument. The instrument used to play American country music actually came from Africa and was adopted by white Americans just like Rock music.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#4507 Jan 18, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
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The guy is stupid, trust me I'm from Europe, lived in Ireland for a while and believe me these people generally lack rhythm and do not sing like Black Americans. Guess who does in Europe for the most part? African & Afro-Caribbean descendants. Barros doesn't have a clue what he's on about.
Yes, you're right. The same applies her, in this country. Dutch music originally is way different.

Since you are in England. Drum and Bass, Jungle etc are direct descendants of Hip Hop and House as it progressed in the UK by the UK Carib blacks who mixed and matched it with their sub cultures.

MoBo gives us a clear cut in UK black culture divine.

http://mobo.com/
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#4508 Jan 18, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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How is that a fact?? The vocal style & Rhythmic style are the reasons these genres exist. Europeans do NOT sing like our Black singers otherwise white artists would dominate all these genres themselves. I have already gave you some examples. Now you need to list European artists who were singing like Black singers 1st, I'll be waiting!! There is no need to even debate on any of the Rhythmic style of music & dancing.
Here I repost info on the African pentatonic scale, which is the bases for modern black music. Which also means the focal part.

I found a great video of a folklore Nigerian song and you can hear the Jazz tune, played in Africa harmony in pentatonic scale, on the piano.

Enjoy.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgj3lu_afric...

http://poplarday.blogspot.nl/2012/01/just-bla...

http://kalimbamagic.com/learnhow/learnhow_pen...

http://www.guitarnoise.com/lessons/pentatonic...

http://books.google.nl/books...

http://books.google.nl/books...

http://books.google.nl/books...

http://books.google.nl/books...

http://books.google.nl/books...

Enjoy,


Festival Afoukada
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“The truth will be told”

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

by miss Stoned Cold

#4509 Jan 18, 2013
Redefined wrote:
<quoted text>
Many instruments AA's used came from Africa. He may not be aware of this which is why he's using 'chords' as his argument. The instrument used to play American country music actually came from Africa and was adopted by white Americans just like Rock music.
Yes I know,instruments such as the banjo.But I was thinking more about keyboards and some brass instruments. As in the piano and sax which are quintessential instruments used in blues.So in this sense,AA's had to learn a new instrument based on the design of it so of course there are European influences in that sense. What they did with those instruments however is not.

“Freedom”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#4510 Jan 18, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
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Here I repost info on the African pentatonic scale, which is the bases for modern black music. Which also means the focal part.
I found a great video of a folklore Nigerian song and you can hear the Jazz tune, played in Africa harmony in pentatonic scale, on the piano.
Enjoy.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgj3lu_afric...
http://poplarday.blogspot.nl/2012/01/just-bla...
http://kalimbamagic.com/learnhow/learnhow_pen...
http://www.guitarnoise.com/lessons/pentatonic...
http://books.google.nl/books...
http://books.google.nl/books...
http://books.google.nl/books...
http://books.google.nl/books...
http://books.google.nl/books...
Enjoy,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =w9wN3SLfZT8XX
Festival Afoukada
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Thanks. I will check ur links out!! This is why it's important we learn our History because of PPL like Barros who are out spreading LIES or slandering us as a group. They are trying hard to keep us accepting their views/beliefs.

“Freedom”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#4511 Jan 18, 2013
Stoned Cold wrote:
<quoted text>Yes I know,instruments such as the banjo.But I was thinking more about keyboards and some brass instruments. As in the piano and sax which are quintessential instruments used in blues.So in this sense,AA's had to learn a new instrument based on the design of it so of course there are European influences in that sense. What they did with those instruments however is not.
I see & I agree.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#4512 Jan 18, 2013
Redefined wrote:
<quoted text>
Gospel & Jazz isn't INFLUENCED by Europeans. Yes these genres are American however they derive from an African source. R&B singers have a unique stye of singing which evolved from Gospel singing. European groups do NOT harmonize or sing like Black singers such as Boyz II Men, En Vogue, Marvin Gaye or sing in falsetto which is also done in Africa.
AA's are known for creating different sub-genres such as New Jack Swing, Neo-Soul, Hip-Hop, Funk, etc If ur gonna say Gospel & Jazz was influenced by Europeans than you might as well say all the other sub-genre as well even tho no European was playing any of the styles before Blacks.
Great post, which explains Soul Train by Don Cornelius in the first place. Gospel and Jazz were created under segregation. This is a historical fact. From Jazz ( avantgarde) and Blues came Soul, Funk and Disco, which in its turn created R&B into New Jack swing etc...Funk and Disco Created by guys like Bootsy Collins, George Clinton whit the P-Funk variant, influencing groups like Zapp, Mtume etc... And on the other hand James Brown, Maceo Parker Fred Wesley, bands like The Fatback, The Meters, Cameo, Earth Wind And Fire etc. with the break beat style. Influencing groups like Kleeer, Shalamar etc... The list is too long to mention, of course.

Early Hip Hop used break beats by James Brown to dance and Rap on, in a repeating mixing style of a certain bar with heavy beats themes. Early House was developed in quite a similar way, were the pioneers used to cut parts of Disco and Funk grooves, and repeated them into a quarter and eight note, also in a certain bar and key note, with typical flat minors and sharps. Which traces back to how Jazz musicians is played. Every step in the history of black music can be traced back to a style by the former later, created by black music artist. A typical style within Gospel and later styles is the add lips and as you mentioned before certain harmonies.

Drum and Bass, Jungle etc. is rooted in uptempo Hip Hop.

Note: all those early Funk and Disco artist of the 70' used to play blues at one time, before they developed these other genres. As we know them.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#4513 Jan 18, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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Thanks. I will check ur links out!! This is why it's important we learn our History because of PPL like Barros who are out spreading LIES or slandering us as a group. They are trying hard to keep us accepting their views/beliefs.
I urge you and others to look at and read those links, seriously. It's important to understand the technical side of the music styles we speak of here.

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