Why do Afrocentrists obsess over Egyp...

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by miss Stoned Cold

#4501 Jan 18, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Like nost in here, you completely miss the point.
Egyptian civilization, according to the genetic, morphological and archaeological evidence I've read of, was created in Upper Egypt by black people.
But that does not mean that Afronazis can claim civilizations far and wide all over the earth as black, when they were not. These racist misfits are committing racist crimes against other peoples! Against everyone from the Olmecs to Hebrews to Chinese to Celts!
This racism will not stand, and will be demolished with reason and by any means necessary.
I'm not concerned with the Olmecs or the Hebrews. I'm speaking of Ancient Egypt. An African culture. And it makes no difference to me if AA's today are not directly linked to them. We are not directly linked to East Africans either yet we are all the same race despite small variations. It's no different to Western Europeans taking credit for Mediterranean or Roman histories because they are European.

“100%”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#4502 Jan 18, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Which is proven. You can produce no writing older than that of the Vincan Tartaria tablets.
And no civilization is yet uncovered older than Vinca 5000 bc.
Too bad that offends your racist Afronazi sensibilities.
I was just listening to Mighty Sparrow... I notice his songs use EUROPEAN chords and scales! LOL!!!
Also European metric structure.
Up yours, boy.
For me to be offended, I would have to value ur opinion & I don't. That's why you continue to post the same thing over & over & over & over again.

“100%”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#4503 Jan 18, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Speaking of dancing... a major influence on break dancing was “buck dancing”, of Appalachian provenance, though based on prior Celtic forms with some influence from African-Americans also.
You cannot avoid this mixing of Euro and African influences in music and in much of USA culture.
Too bad you racists can't accept that... but, as racists, you're always wrong and therefore irrelevant.
Africans & their descendants do not need influences to create their own instruments, dances or genres. Someone here posted a list of instruments that have West African origin brought over to The Americas. I will look for the thread to show you ur whole 'chord' argument is weak, lol

“100%”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#4504 Jan 18, 2013

“The truth will be told”

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

by miss Stoned Cold

#4505 Jan 18, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Listen to that music, boy. What do you hear? CHORDS!, lol... using European scales and harmonies also.
Yes, there is the evidence. You cannot find that in African music, only European.
You lose, racist liar.
To be fair,most instruments played by AA's are of European origin so to say you cannot find these chord structures in African music is unfair. Of course AA's are going to have to play instruments from a different origin to their own according to the design of the instrument.

Thats like claiming that a culture that didnt have drums would have to learn rhythmic beats in order to play the instrument correctly if ever given one to play.

“100%”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#4506 Jan 18, 2013
Stoned Cold wrote:
<quoted text>To be fair,most instruments played by AA's are of European origin so to say you cannot find these chord structures in African music is unfair. Of course AA's are going to have to play instruments from a different origin to their own according to the design of the instrument.
Thats like claiming that a culture that didnt have drums would have to learn rhythmic beats in order to play the instrument correctly if ever given one to play.
Many instruments AA's used came from Africa. He may not be aware of this which is why he's using 'chords' as his argument. The instrument used to play American country music actually came from Africa and was adopted by white Americans just like Rock music.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#4507 Jan 18, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
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The guy is stupid, trust me I'm from Europe, lived in Ireland for a while and believe me these people generally lack rhythm and do not sing like Black Americans. Guess who does in Europe for the most part? African & Afro-Caribbean descendants. Barros doesn't have a clue what he's on about.
Yes, you're right. The same applies her, in this country. Dutch music originally is way different.

Since you are in England. Drum and Bass, Jungle etc are direct descendants of Hip Hop and House as it progressed in the UK by the UK Carib blacks who mixed and matched it with their sub cultures.

MoBo gives us a clear cut in UK black culture divine.

http://mobo.com/
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#4508 Jan 18, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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How is that a fact?? The vocal style & Rhythmic style are the reasons these genres exist. Europeans do NOT sing like our Black singers otherwise white artists would dominate all these genres themselves. I have already gave you some examples. Now you need to list European artists who were singing like Black singers 1st, I'll be waiting!! There is no need to even debate on any of the Rhythmic style of music & dancing.
Here I repost info on the African pentatonic scale, which is the bases for modern black music. Which also means the focal part.

I found a great video of a folklore Nigerian song and you can hear the Jazz tune, played in Africa harmony in pentatonic scale, on the piano.

Enjoy.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgj3lu_afric...

http://poplarday.blogspot.nl/2012/01/just-bla...

http://kalimbamagic.com/learnhow/learnhow_pen...

http://www.guitarnoise.com/lessons/pentatonic...

http://books.google.nl/books...

http://books.google.nl/books...

http://books.google.nl/books...

http://books.google.nl/books...

http://books.google.nl/books...

Enjoy,


Festival Afoukada
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“The truth will be told”

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

by miss Stoned Cold

#4509 Jan 18, 2013
Redefined wrote:
<quoted text>
Many instruments AA's used came from Africa. He may not be aware of this which is why he's using 'chords' as his argument. The instrument used to play American country music actually came from Africa and was adopted by white Americans just like Rock music.
Yes I know,instruments such as the banjo.But I was thinking more about keyboards and some brass instruments. As in the piano and sax which are quintessential instruments used in blues.So in this sense,AA's had to learn a new instrument based on the design of it so of course there are European influences in that sense. What they did with those instruments however is not.

“100%”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#4510 Jan 18, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
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Here I repost info on the African pentatonic scale, which is the bases for modern black music. Which also means the focal part.
I found a great video of a folklore Nigerian song and you can hear the Jazz tune, played in Africa harmony in pentatonic scale, on the piano.
Enjoy.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgj3lu_afric...
http://poplarday.blogspot.nl/2012/01/just-bla...
http://kalimbamagic.com/learnhow/learnhow_pen...
http://www.guitarnoise.com/lessons/pentatonic...
http://books.google.nl/books...
http://books.google.nl/books...
http://books.google.nl/books...
http://books.google.nl/books...
http://books.google.nl/books...
Enjoy,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =w9wN3SLfZT8XX
Festival Afoukada
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Thanks. I will check ur links out!! This is why it's important we learn our History because of PPL like Barros who are out spreading LIES or slandering us as a group. They are trying hard to keep us accepting their views/beliefs.

“100%”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#4511 Jan 18, 2013
Stoned Cold wrote:
<quoted text>Yes I know,instruments such as the banjo.But I was thinking more about keyboards and some brass instruments. As in the piano and sax which are quintessential instruments used in blues.So in this sense,AA's had to learn a new instrument based on the design of it so of course there are European influences in that sense. What they did with those instruments however is not.
I see & I agree.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#4512 Jan 18, 2013
Redefined wrote:
<quoted text>
Gospel & Jazz isn't INFLUENCED by Europeans. Yes these genres are American however they derive from an African source. R&B singers have a unique stye of singing which evolved from Gospel singing. European groups do NOT harmonize or sing like Black singers such as Boyz II Men, En Vogue, Marvin Gaye or sing in falsetto which is also done in Africa.
AA's are known for creating different sub-genres such as New Jack Swing, Neo-Soul, Hip-Hop, Funk, etc If ur gonna say Gospel & Jazz was influenced by Europeans than you might as well say all the other sub-genre as well even tho no European was playing any of the styles before Blacks.
Great post, which explains Soul Train by Don Cornelius in the first place. Gospel and Jazz were created under segregation. This is a historical fact. From Jazz ( avantgarde) and Blues came Soul, Funk and Disco, which in its turn created R&B into New Jack swing etc...Funk and Disco Created by guys like Bootsy Collins, George Clinton whit the P-Funk variant, influencing groups like Zapp, Mtume etc... And on the other hand James Brown, Maceo Parker Fred Wesley, bands like The Fatback, The Meters, Cameo, Earth Wind And Fire etc. with the break beat style. Influencing groups like Kleeer, Shalamar etc... The list is too long to mention, of course.

Early Hip Hop used break beats by James Brown to dance and Rap on, in a repeating mixing style of a certain bar with heavy beats themes. Early House was developed in quite a similar way, were the pioneers used to cut parts of Disco and Funk grooves, and repeated them into a quarter and eight note, also in a certain bar and key note, with typical flat minors and sharps. Which traces back to how Jazz musicians is played. Every step in the history of black music can be traced back to a style by the former later, created by black music artist. A typical style within Gospel and later styles is the add lips and as you mentioned before certain harmonies.

Drum and Bass, Jungle etc. is rooted in uptempo Hip Hop.

Note: all those early Funk and Disco artist of the 70' used to play blues at one time, before they developed these other genres. As we know them.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#4513 Jan 18, 2013
Redefined wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks. I will check ur links out!! This is why it's important we learn our History because of PPL like Barros who are out spreading LIES or slandering us as a group. They are trying hard to keep us accepting their views/beliefs.
I urge you and others to look at and read those links, seriously. It's important to understand the technical side of the music styles we speak of here.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#4514 Jan 18, 2013
Stoned Cold wrote:
<quoted text>Yes I know,instruments such as the banjo.But I was thinking more about keyboards and some brass instruments. As in the piano and sax which are quintessential instruments used in blues.So in this sense,AA's had to learn a new instrument based on the design of it so of course there are European influences in that sense. What they did with those instruments however is not.
Cosigned!

trollslayer

Chicago, IL

#4515 Jan 18, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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Thanks. I will check ur links out!! This is why it's important we learn our History because of PPL like Barros who are out spreading LIES or slandering us as a group. They are trying hard to keep us accepting their views/beliefs.
"Barros" is a 'effing troll, who should NEVER be given a 2nd thought. He's said over & over how he's here to "spread LIES or slander us as a group" and "JAM" meaningful discussion. "Barros" is dirt under ur feet. Don't ever 4get it.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#4516 Jan 19, 2013
It was more than the instruments. Too bad I continue to punk & debunk racist culture-vulture Afronazi nonsense, but that's what you get, fools. You will not perpetrate your racism with impunity, asswipes.

It's not only the instruments. It's the chords, the structure of songs, harmonies, scales. Listen to Irish folk music and you hear some of the roots of Dixieland jazz. It is obvious.

So many aspects of european music have fed into the musical genres of the USA... all of them. From Irish reels to classical music.

Too bad if that makes you quiver with inferiority complex, but the world isn't 100% the creation of black people.

You pathetic insecure self-hating bastards.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#4517 Jan 19, 2013
Bigsmoke wrote:
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So why have ''European Americans'' generally failed to set musical trends in US history?
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You're really claiming there was no harmonies in African music? LOL, you small mind.
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''Rhythm'', Europeans generally lack such a thing in regards to dancing compared to Africans and their descendants in the Americas.
Polyrhythms is African and rhythmic dancing is also African in origin.''European Americans'' called it all jungle and initially taboo for a reason.
Nobody is denying European influence the argument here is it is dwarfed compared to the African influence so stop trying to say otherwise. Remember I'm from Europe.
Moron, the harmonies in USA music are based on European scales and chords. They are of European derivation.

How desperate you are, and how ridiculous, to claim that European music had no influence on USA genres when the USA was crawling with Europeans! LOL!!! Had they no music? Is that your contention, halfwit?

European music lacked rhythm? What were the drums for in Irish music?

European influence is not dwarfed, it is considerable, on all genres in the USA and america generally. We can find it extensively throughout every genre, and most heavily of Celtic origin.

The drumming in any genre using a trap set is derived from European military drumming as well as Gaelic drumming.

There are so many examples... how embarrassing to be a racist Afronazi so thoroughly demolished by those with a real education and knowledge. Your racism just won't stand up to that, sorry.
Bigsmoke

London, UK

#4518 Jan 19, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
Moron, the harmonies in USA music are based on European scales and chords. They are of European derivation.
How desperate you are, and how ridiculous, to claim that European music had no influence on USA genres when the USA was crawling with Europeans! LOL!!! Had they no music? Is that your contention, halfwit?
European music lacked rhythm? What were the drums for in Irish music?
European influence is not dwarfed, it is considerable, on all genres in the USA and america generally. We can find it extensively throughout every genre, and most heavily of Celtic origin.
The drumming in any genre using a trap set is derived from European military drumming as well as Gaelic drumming.
There are so many examples... how embarrassing to be a racist Afronazi so thoroughly demolished by those with a real education and knowledge. Your racism just won't stand up to that, sorry.
I'll ask again. So why have ''European Americans'' generally failed to set musical trends in US history?

Blues, jazz, rock and roll, rhythm and blues, rap etc were started by ''African Americans'' as opposed to ''European Americans''.

Who is denying European influence? I'm simply saying it is mostly African influence it dwarfs the European influence. The same for dancing, it's quite clear.

What next booty shaking originated in Ireland also? LMFAO!

Give it a rest.
Bigsmoke

London, UK

#4519 Jan 19, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
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Yes, you're right. The same applies her, in this country. Dutch music originally is way different.
Since you are in England. Drum and Bass, Jungle etc are direct descendants of Hip Hop and House as it progressed in the UK by the UK Carib blacks who mixed and matched it with their sub cultures.
MoBo gives us a clear cut in UK black culture divine.
http://mobo.com/
Indeed.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#4520 Jan 19, 2013
It's funny, because African music is primarily known for its drumming, most people aren't familiar with African string-instruments i.e. string-music. What let to the heavy drum styles in modern African American Music is African Rooted, known as Afro-Beat. On of the most popular drums happens to be the Djembe. Listen to the average traditional beat on the Djembe. And it speaks of itself.

Fale Kuti is on of the most popular artist ever.



The History of Afrobeat, and the Yuroba African root.

http://www.stampthewax.com/2012/02/04/a-short...

A very important transition was made during the civil rights era, of the 60' and 70'. At a time Afrobeat became popular. When the rugged beats were added.

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

More fundamentals of Afrobeat and transitions, predominantly in early hip hop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://debate.uvm.edu/dreadlibrary/kahn.html

A few examples of African string instruments, most aren't familiar with.

Ritti/Gonjey (West Africa)

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Bolon Bata (Gambia)

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Litungu (Kenya)

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Umrhubhe (South Africa, Berimbau in Brazil)

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Inanga (Rwanda, Burundi)

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

A performance by the African Classical Music Ensemble of Mineon Ba, featuring the extraordinary Riti virtuoso, Juldeh Camara, Kora maestro, Tunde Jegede and the gifted, young guitarist and vocalist, Maya Jobarteh. This is a section taken from a film on the African Classical Music Ensemble by the film-maker and visual artist, Sunara Begum and is available from Xiom Films.

Conclusion. African Americans have transformed their original traditional African musical styles into modern styles. It's in everything.

Last but not least, not to be sarcastic, but why is it mainstream white radio stations did not play these typical "black" music genres 24/7 a day. Where were "all" these white artist at the foundation at these music genres?

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