Why do Afrocentrists obsess over Egypt and NON-African Civilizations

[Redefined]

big mike M wrote:

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He's no longer responding because me and others DESTROYED his claims about the Maghreb being predominantly Eurasian.

This is why I stated most of what he has written is inaccurate or dated. Many of his comments have been refuted by several bloggers here because his information is NOT correct & it has been a lot of bad information. Even Bozino has corrected him & he was initially agreeing with the whole thread.

[Barros Serrano]

big mike M wrote:

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I don't know about "DATED & inaccurate." But Barros NEVER posts sources to back up his claim. Even when asked multiple times. He usually just goes on with his useless repetitive ramblings.
Or sometimes just waits for people like Jeff, Curious Me or even Bozino to post sources for him. That's the problem some people have with Barros. Just a lot of barking and NO biting.

Liar. I and others have repeatedly posted the data, but you lying Afronazis then pretend you didn't see it. I am tired of going through this endless routine.

We posted, for example MULTIPLE proofs of 30,000 yr old Eurasians in the Maghreb. Human remains and DNA, all Eurasian. But... of course you didn't see that, right?

Liar.

The problem with you is, lots of ideology but no science, no logic.

[Barros Serrano]

I mean GOT damn, you're all insufferable. Look how the white and black racists ALL ignore the evidence presented!!!

Bozinho. IRONWORKING in W Africa independently evolved and as early as the only other place it appeared... but you'll ignore that. Oh right, those “Bantu” made no contribution.

Afronazis--- PROOF all over the place of Eurasian Berbers for 30,000 years, all ignored because the entire world has to be black for you.

Notice as soon as we posted all that evidence, several things happened:

1. a whole bevy of sockpuppets appeared, mostly calling us names
2. the Afronazi contingent suddenly jumped out of the Maghreb and started claiming China, the Cro-Magnon, etc.

LOL!!!

All you racists, white and black, can KISS my fresh steaming TURD!!!

[Bigsmoke]

No Source Barros is back, but guess what? Still no sources!

LOL!

[Barros Serrano]

Bakari Neferu wrote:

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I don't feel your claim that Barros alleged claims are never backed is relevant to my current issue with Redefined.
Not backing a claim does not render the claim invalid or outdated, simply unsubstantiated by the person asserting it.

In any case, they're lying. I and others have repeatedly linked to the relevant evidence.

In addition, much of what I state is simply common knowledge in anthropology. Much of it I can back up from a basic Intro to Physical Anthro text!

Seriously this becomes very tedious.

[Barros Serrano]

Bmacwaters wrote:

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Ok
The truth about Caucasians is that they are a genetically altered Human who did not evolve from Nubians naturally, but was part of the ADAMA project in Pantagonia where man took it upon themselves to make man in his image and in his likeness and that creation was to rule the Earth for 6 thousand years. That was prophecy written thousands of years before The modern Caucasian even existed. That's the information revealed by the ancients and hid from the masses. But the truth shall set you free! Their 6 thousand year rule is over! The universe has a ways of correcting errors made by man. Now mine and your statement both sound insulting! The only difference is my statement is the truth.

COOCOO

[Redefined]

Plant eating dinosaurs in Antarctica....
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/12/...

[Barros Serrano]

Bmacwaters wrote:

The lack of true knowledge available in America and poor teachings hv misled most to think Africa was always diverse or always had ppl of various nationalities but this IS NOT true and many of the great philosophers stated this "fact" in their writings such as Aristotle etc!!
Correct! And I can take it further to say that at one point the entire earth wasn't as diversified as people may think! There was a time when no Caucasians walked the Earth, yet the Nubians were all over! And yes, I mean ALL OVER! Fact! Why do you think Africans occupy the best part of the Earth while everyone else had to settle. There is a reason for everything so figure out why Africans are in the Garden of Eden, Africa!

This is completely bull$hit. You don't know SQUAT about real science or history, it is obvious.

There was NOBODY called “Nubians” before so-called “Caucasians” existed!!!

And essentially these so-called “Caucasians” DID exist a LONG f'ing time ago and I mean a lot longer than 6000 years.

This is all so well proven it is absurd that I have to argue it with someone like you who obviously has no education.

So with you I would have to start with Anthro 101.

Instead of that, why don't YOU get a goddam education before coming in here blowing all that bull$hit all over the place.

[Barros Serrano]

Almoravid wrote:

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Let's turn it the other way around, since "you" defend "him". What was accurate. lol
Did you like the presentation by a real PhD, in Africana studies, at that symposium.
Barros taught "black history". When more than halfe of what he writes about Africa is lame b.s. lol At this wannabe Emeritus, and his oh so "scholarly assessments".

You, moron, please tell us what I've said that was BS. Nothing.

Yes I have taught black history, in public schools, not at the college level. At the college level I teach Anthro and Geography.

I teach black history going back to W Africa, because I want to get PAST the notion that AA history is nothing but slavery and sitting in the back of the bus! Restricting it to that suggests that BEFORE slavery they were nothing... savages rescued and “civilized” by the Euros! Which is BULL$HIT obviously.

So, come on, you lying piece of crap, tell me what I've said bout Africa that is BS.

I've got $50 says you'll start with some NON-black culture that you Afronazis are claiming. Barros is full of crap because he says that the Olmecs were from Soconusco and not MANDE! LOL!!!

[Barros Serrano]

Bakari Neferu wrote:

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I just said I'm defending him or anybody. Barros is not the real issue here. I just want to know what was said about Black history that is supposedly inaccurate and outdated.
If there is something that was said about Black history that is inaccurate then it needs to be corrected. Redefined refuses to let me know what is incorrect, which tells me he was just talking out of his ass.
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What are you referring to?
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I'm honestly not concerned about any of this.
I would like to know what was said about Black history that was untrue and outdated, AND I would like to know what those two books you referenced a while back to me and never responded to my inquiries about.

I've got to admire your perseverence.

True, it's not about me. It's about the title you gave this thread.

I find it amazing that these numbnuts will go on about how much Barros hates black people, and they have been LICKING Bozinho's asscrack, while I'm asserting that W Africa had civilization, etc., etc., while Bozinho is claiming black people never did ANYTHING! LOL!!!

I mean what is wrong with this picture? I think it's because they actually AGREE with Bozinho that W African-Bantus did nothing! That's why they have to pretend that who they are REALLY is Moorish Hebrew Olmec Chiinese Vikings!

[Barros Serrano]

Phaed wrote:

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How is that possible? How can DNA be extracted to match a Western Euro ppl when during Tut reign those areas were not even inhabited!!..SMH!! By your post are you insinuating that the Ancient Kemet/Egyptians migrated to Western Euro, are you serious??

Western Europe was inhabited! Where do you get this crap?

Western Europe had civilization by 4000 bc,(Cerny) and earlier if we decide the Megalithic culture was “civiization”.

I find it impossible to believe that Tut was W European, however, with that I agree.

I personally don't even care when DNA analyses show that some particular Egyptian was “white” or “black”. I know full well that both Eurasians (mostly of Mideastern/Berber type) and blacks were present in Egypt so it's just not news whether some particular mummy was this or that.

Egyptian civilization arose in Upper Egypt among black people. I've said that 1001 times in here.

[Barros Serrano]

big mike M wrote:

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Hasn't it already been stated that the AE were more closely related to the Nubians and other Africans than Europeans and West Asians?
Also that AE had tropical body plan which Europeans and west Asians do NOT have. I believe modern day upper Egyptians and Nubians are the closets to the ancient Egyptians.

I'm tired of hearing about “tropical body plan” which still doesn't tell us who someone was.

However, YES, Upper Egypt's affinities were with NUBIA... genetically, morphologically and culturally. The archaeological evidence confirms this.

[Barros Serrano]

Phaed wrote:

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Europeans were not civilized yet..that's why diseases were so harsh on them in Europe!! They had to be fascinated w/ African culture once they crossed the sea and saw how dark skin ppl lived

Moron. I keep responding to you and then read Jeff's posts which covered it, but nonetheless, I can't help myself.

EUROPE, you dolt, had civilization at LEAST by 5000 bc. Europe wasn't any more diseased than anywhere else, duh. And of the diseases you will mention, mostly referring to Medieval times or the germs the Euros carried to America, nearly every one of those diseases was brought into Europe from somewhere else, mostly eastern Asia.

Read a goddam BOOK, for chrissakes!

[Barros Serrano]

big mike M wrote:

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Uh...Western Europe has always been inhabited by Sapiens(modern humans) as early as 10.000 B.C! So yeah during "Pre-Historic" times.
And I wouldn't use the bible as a back up.

10,000 bc???

Europe has been inhabited by sapiens since 45,000 years ago.

[Barros Serrano]

Phaed wrote:

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I think I'll stick w/ it..bcz science has flaws and the biggest flaw is leading ppl to believe we all cme frm Neanderthals (monkey men)..thts hilarious but too each his own and everyone may believe as they choose but eventually the truth will come out in the open!!

You demonstrate that you know NOTHING of science!

Science does NOT say we come from Homo neandertalensis! Science says that Homo sapiens evolved from a small northeast African (as in Ethiopian highlands, Afar triangle area) population of Homo heidelbergensis 200,000 years ago!

The genus Homo first appeared about 2.3 million years ago.

The hominin line split from the chimp-bonobo line about 6.5 million years ago.

[Barros Serrano]

Bigsmoke wrote:

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It is thought so using the samples of Nuclear DNA taken from both modern day Egyptian and North Sudanese populations while looking at the historical events which have taken part in that region. Well North Sudanese are closest related to Egyptians not necessarily vice versa (that Egyptians are closest related to North Sudanese) but that is probably also the case.
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''Individuals from northern Sudan clustered together with those from Egypt, and individuals from southern Sudan clustered with those from the Karamoja population (Uganda). The similarity of the Nubian and Egyptian populations suggest that migration, potentially bidirectional, occurred along the Nile river Valley, which is consistent with the historical evidence for long-term interactions between Egypt and Nubia.''
Source (Result >5th sentence onwards):
http://www.investigativegenetics.com/content/...

Yes. This is real science.

[Barros Serrano]

big mike M wrote:

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It is still a fact that the Ancient Egyptians were tropical adapted like other Africans. Modern upper Egyptians and Nubians still have a tropical body plan. There were some Eurasian in Ancient Egypt, but they were most likely absorbed by the greater African population(this my theory, but a logical one).
Not needing cold-climate/slight-skinned inspiration, the peoples of ancient Egypt are more closely linked with fellow tropical Africans in terms of cranial studies than with Europeans or Asiatics. Analysis of skeletal and cranial remains reveals that the ancient Egyptians of the early Dynastic and pre-Dynastic phases, link closer to nearby Saharan, Sudanic and East African populations than Mediterranean and Middle Eastern peoples. Greeks, Romans, Hyskos, Arabs and others were to appear later in Egyptian history. Craniometric studies generally place ancient Upper Egyptian populations closer to the range of tropical Africans in the Nile Valley and East Africa than to Mediterraneans, or Middle Easterners.
(Keita 1990, 1993, 1996, 2004; Hiernaux 1975; Froment 2002; Kemp 2005)

Well, your theory is correct and backed by evidence. There were Eurasians in Lower Egypt especially, and yes they mixed with black Africans.

When I see on the news people from that region, I can't help but notice that MOST of the Egyptians I see look like they're at least part “black”. Haven't y'all notice that? Afronazis keep claiming that the black people were replaced by Greeks and Persians and Arabs, but I don't think so. They're still there!

Is it not true that if you go to the town of Aswan, most of the people are black? That's what I've read.

[Bakari Neferu]

Redefined wrote:

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Read through the thread if you want your question answered. If you didn't get an answer the 1st time you obviously wasn't going to get one the second time.

Yes, quite right. I wasn't going to get any answers from you to begin with because you are too incompetent to cede any.

So you are saying that you admit that you were just talking out the side of your ass.

[Barros Serrano]

Redefined wrote:

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If you wasn't concerned than you wouldn't be asking the same question over & over again & yes most of what Barros has written in this thread is dated and accurate which is why he's no longer responding.

Moron: You repeatedly demonstrate that you do NOT understand the science or history relevant to these discussions.

My info is not dated. I in fact have brought into this discussion new information as it is reported.

And I was in another place for 2 days busy with something else so excuuuuuuuuuuuse me if I can't spend 24-7 in Topix.

I find you to be one of the biggest prevaricators in here. You will grab onto a "fact", and then spin and twist it in more ways than I thought possible.

I also suspect you need a psychiatrist.

[Barros Serrano]

Redefined wrote:

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Dinosaurs did NOT go extinct millions of years ago. Many have been depicted an ancient art or at least animals resembling Dinosaurs have been. Check this out!
http://www.icr.org/article/4827/365/

All dubious...

Is the Loch Ness “monster” real? Or the one in Lake Champlain? Well, I'm trained to think scientifically so I want proof.

There are dinosaurs on earth today, however, thousands of species. They're called BIRDS.