Why do Afrocentrists obsess over Egyp...
345zzzza5467

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#3102 Nov 27, 2012
345zzzza5467 wrote:
Didn't they recently push back the time when E arose by about 30,000 years or something? Nothing is written in stone, people and jeffy boy.^_^
"Karafet et al.(2008), in which Hammer is a co-author, significantly rearranged time estimates leading to "new interpretations on the geographical origin of ancient sub-clades".[1] Amongst other things this article proposed a much older age for haplogroup E than had been considered previously, giving it a similar age to Haplogroup D, and DE itself, meaning that there is no longer any strong reason to see it as an offshoot of DE which must have happened long after DE came into existence and had entered Asia.[1]"

"E*
The most basal lineages, paragroup E*, have been found in a single Bantu-speaking male from South Africa,[1] amongst pygmies and Bantus from the Cameroon/Gabon region,[10] and in two individuals from Saudi Arabia.[12]"
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#3103 Nov 27, 2012
345zzzza5467 wrote:
Didn't they recently push back the time when E arose by about 30,000 years or something? Nothing is written in stone, people and jeffy boy.^_^
I know of a couple renown anthropologists who believes europeans evolved from neanderthals. He is one of those opponents of OOA. He backs his claim with his evidence. Now who should we believe? It all boils down to theories that until tested by science remain just that theories-especially timelines of when what happened.
Dumbass Bantu socketpuppet who continues to be a clueless imbecile and your propagandistic lies don't help you any. E1b1b DID NOT EXIST 30,000 years ago and no one pushed the time line for E1b1b back to 30,000 years, moron. E1b1b only arose nearly 20,000 years ago. You have proven yet again that you have no clue what scientists state about haplogroups by you cluelessness of the chronological history of haplogroups. Stop posting because you just expose how stupid you are on this subject matter.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#3104 Nov 27, 2012
345zzzza5467 wrote:
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"Karafet et al.(2008), in which Hammer is a co-author, significantly rearranged time estimates leading to "new interpretations on the geographical origin of ancient sub-clades".[1] Amongst other things this article proposed a much older age for haplogroup E than had been considered previously, giving it a similar age to Haplogroup D, and DE itself, meaning that there is no longer any strong reason to see it as an offshoot of DE which must have happened long after DE came into existence and had entered Asia.[1]"
"E*
The most basal lineages, paragroup E*, have been found in a single Bantu-speaking male from South Africa,[1] amongst pygmies and Bantus from the Cameroon/Gabon region,[10] and in two individuals from Saudi Arabia.[12]"
They are talking about haplogroup DE, dingleberry, who's origins is still in question and could be either Asia OR Africa, they are NOT talking about E1b1b. Damn you are clueless.
Barros Serrano

United States

#3106 Nov 27, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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Dumbass Bantu socketpuppet who continues to be a clueless imbecile and your propagandistic lies don't help you any. E1b1b DID NOT EXIST 30,000 years ago and no one pushed the time line for E1b1b back to 30,000 years, moron. E1b1b only arose nearly 20,000 years ago. You have proven yet again that you have no clue what scientists state about haplogroups by you cluelessness of the chronological history of haplogroups. Stop posting because you just expose how stupid you are on this subject matter.
Apparently both E1b1b and early clades of A appeared in people who didn't yet exist!!!!

Of course it's possible... are you doubting the power of The African, the Original Man, the Melanated God???
Barros Serrano

United States

#3107 Nov 27, 2012
Poor Afronazis just can't handle the facts...

LOL!!! The MAGHREB, in Africa, has been predominantly Eurasian for 30,000 years.

And EUROPE was never settled by black people. Even the Neolithics bringing in the African E1b1b were not black, but looked like modern Jews (Hebrews).

How the Afronazis must CRY CRY CRY over reality... that's why they DENY REALITY so consistently! They must have run out of tears.
345zzzza5467

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#3108 Nov 27, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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They are talking about haplogroup DE, dingleberry, who's origins is still in question and could be either Asia OR Africa, they are NOT talking about E1b1b. Damn you are clueless.
You are the dumbass. The point am making here is if they could revise the time when E arose then there is room for future revisions of when other HG arose e.g E1b1b. Nothing is written in stone. I believe E1b1b entered europe with the first european 35,000 year ago.

Here is my theory. "the first european" http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4580600... , who carried E1b1b(35,000 years ago), entered euro-asia and mixed with euro-asians in the levant and europe. Then the mixed levantians back migrated to maghreb, bringing back E1b1b into Africa. Then E-M78 moved south(4,000 year ago) and mixed with N. Sudan and HOA to give raise to the mixed race people we see in the HOA and N. Sudan today. The MtDna M and other euro-asian MtDna in Ethiopia and Somalia came with the back migrating levantians.
Barros Serrano

United States

#3109 Nov 27, 2012
345zzzza5467 wrote:
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What do you mean by was the sahara not a barrier? At some point the sahara was green with lakes , river, wild life and humans. It is sometime after the tassili rock painting that the sahara became the desert we see today. people grazed their cattle and hunted wild life through out northern Africa including the maghreb. the west Africa rain forest was home to pygmies scattered thought out the rain forests in Africa.
The fact remains, that 30,000 years ago the Maghreb was uninhabited when Eurasians migrated in.

The Sahara was a BARRIER at that point, obviously.

Dumbass, it was a barrier many times.

I know this material... You do not. You are a waste of time with your uneducated and racist musings.

Read a real book, boy, and stop cruising bullshit Afronazi websites.
Barros Serrano

United States

#3110 Nov 27, 2012
345zzzza5467 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are the dumbass. The point am making here is if they could revise the time when E arose then there is room for future revisions of when other HG arose e.g E1b1b. Nothing is written in stone. I believe E1b1b entered europe with the first european 35,000 year ago.
Here is my theory. "the first european" http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4580600... , who carried E1b1b(35,000 years ago), entered euro-asia and mixed with euro-asians in the levant and europe. Then the mixed levantians back migrated to maghreb, bringing back E1b1b into Africa. Then E-M78 moved south(4,000 year ago) and mixed with N. Sudan and HOA to give raise to the mixed race people we see in the HOA and N. Sudan today. The MtDna M and other euro-asian MtDna in Ethiopia and Somalia came with the back migrating levantians.
You BELIEVE it entered... LOL!!! Because you want to. That is WORTHLESS speculation, boy!

There is no evidence for your ridiculous scenario. Here's what really happened:

Eurasians from the Mideast spread out of that region, some migrating to India, some to Central Asia, some to the Maghreb (30,000 years ago), some to Europe (beginning 45,000 years ago). None of these people were “black”.

Got that? That's what the EVIDENCE shows.

EVIDENCE means everything.

The musings of an uneducated pseudo-intellectual Afronazi racist mean less than nothing.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#3111 Nov 27, 2012
345zzzza5467 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are the dumbass. The point am making here is if they could revise the time when E arose then there is room for future revisions of when other HG arose e.g E1b1b. Nothing is written in stone. I believe E1b1b entered europe with the first european 35,000 year ago.
Here is my theory. "the first european" http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4580600... , who carried E1b1b(35,000 years ago), entered euro-asia and mixed with euro-asians in the levant and europe. Then the mixed levantians back migrated to maghreb, bringing back E1b1b into Africa. Then E-M78 moved south(4,000 year ago) and mixed with N. Sudan and HOA to give raise to the mixed race people we see in the HOA and N. Sudan today. The MtDna M and other euro-asian MtDna in Ethiopia and Somalia came with the back migrating levantians.
You can believe whatever you want, you are STILL wrong and still full of s h !t. You have no clue what you are talking about, Bantu the Dumbass. The first Europeans carried Eurasian haplogroups markers I, U5, etc, NOT E1b1b. E1b1b could NOT have arise 35,000 years ago cause it did NOT exist 35,000 years ago, and no scientists have made any such idiotic claims since evidence show E1b1b only arose nearly 20,000 years ago or so. MtDna M is a ASIAN marker, it arose in Asia, dumbass, and it arose nearly 50,000 years ago that is LONG before E1b1b was even around, you stupid idiot, so yet again you prove what a dumbass you are with NO understand of haplogroups chronological history. E1b1b entered Europe during Neolithic times, Bantu the Idiot with the numerous socketpuppet FAKE usernames and NO undrestand of genetics.

" E1b1b (E-M215) and its dominant sub-clade E1b1b1 (E-M35)-formerly Haplogroup 21 [7]- are believed to have first appeared in about 22,400 years ago.[1][Note 1] Nevertheless, E1b1b1 represents a more recent movement of people out of Africa than haplogroup CT, which otherwise dominates human populations outside Africa."

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Since: Feb 12

Dervishes Were Thunderbolts!

#3112 Nov 27, 2012
345zzzza5467 wrote:
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You are the dumbass. The point am making here is if they could revise the time when E arose then there is room for future revisions of when other HG arose e.g E1b1b. Nothing is written in stone. I believe E1b1b entered europe with the first european 35,000 year ago.
Here is my theory. "the first european" http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4580600... , who carried E1b1b(35,000 years ago), entered euro-asia and mixed with euro-asians in the levant and europe. Then the mixed levantians back migrated to maghreb, bringing back E1b1b into Africa. Then E-M78 moved south(4,000 year ago) and mixed with N. Sudan and HOA to give raise to the mixed race people we see in the HOA and N. Sudan today. The MtDna M and other euro-asian MtDna in Ethiopia and Somalia came with the back migrating levantians.
Bantus are a new race of West African migrants mixed with pygmies and khoisans.

The M78 in Horners is a back-migration from Pre-historic Egypt/Sudan accompanying M1 back migration from Western Asia.

E1b1b in Europe is the V13 mutation not found in Africa and from Neolithic migration from an already settled population in the Middle East.

We are not mixed race unless you consider Arabs, Europeans and yourself a mixed race.

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Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#3113 Nov 27, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
Poor Afronazis just can't handle the facts...
LOL!!! The MAGHREB, in Africa, has been predominantly Eurasian for 30,000 years.
And EUROPE was never settled by black people. Even the Neolithics bringing in the African E1b1b were not black, but looked like modern Jews (Hebrews).
How the Afronazis must CRY CRY CRY over reality... that's why they DENY REALITY so consistently! They must have run out of tears.
Euronazi! Even Bozino (an open racist) called you a racist.
345zzzza5467

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#3114 Nov 27, 2012
KushTheKid wrote:
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Bantus are a new race of West African migrants mixed with pygmies and khoisans.
The M78 in Horners is a back-migration from Pre-historic Egypt/Sudan accompanying M1 back migration from Western Asia.
E1b1b in Europe is the V13 mutation not found in Africa and from Neolithic migration from an already settled population in the Middle East.
We are not mixed race unless you consider Arabs, Europeans and yourself a mixed race.
The chadic R is not found in europe, does it negate the euro-asian roots of the marker. Your point is moot.

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Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#3115 Nov 27, 2012
The history of human migrations from Africa into West Eurasia
is only partially understood. Archaeological and genetic evidence
indicate that anatomically modern humans arrived in Europe from
an African source at least 45,000 years ago, following the initial
dispersal out of Africa.
http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reich/Reich_L...
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#3116 Nov 27, 2012
Redefined wrote:
The history of human migrations from Africa into West Eurasia
is only partially understood. Archaeological and genetic evidence
indicate that anatomically modern humans arrived in Europe from
an African source at least 45,000 years ago, following the initial
dispersal out of Africa.
http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reich/Reich_L...
Distorting what the study says doesn't help your lies especially when you are quoting a study that clearly indicates Sub Saharan admixture in Europe is less then 3% to NONE and mostly POST Neolithic times entering Europe INDIRECTLY via SOME populations from West Asia who absorbed Africans into their populations BEFORE migrating into Europe, dingleberry. From the study above:

"Previous genetic studies have suggested a history of sub-Saharan African gene flow into some West Eurasian populations after the initial dispersal out of Africa that occurred at least 45,000 years ago. However, there has been no accurate characterization of the proportion of mixture, or of its date.

Here, we apply genomic methods to show that the proportion of African ancestry in Southern European groups is 1%–3%, in Middle Eastern groups is 4%–15%, and in Jewish groups is 3%–5%. To estimate the dates when the mixture occurred, we develop a novel method that estimates the size of chromosomal segments of distinct ancestry in individuals of mixed ancestry. We verify using computer simulations that the method produces useful estimates of population mixture dates up to 300 generations in the past. By applying the method to West Eurasians, we show that the dates in Southern Europeans are consistent with events during the Roman Empire and subsequent Arab migrations. The dates in the Jewish groups are older, consistent with events in classical or biblical times that may have occurred in the shared history of Jewish populations." ~ Moorjani

There were little to no direct migrations from Africa into Europe 45,000 years ago since there was a sea that acted as a BARRIER during that time period. 45,000 years ago migrations into Europe were from West Asia by Eurasian types as Paleothic haplogroups in Europe clearly show Eurasian origins, NOT African.

"The Sahara desert to the south and ---> the Mediterranean Sea <--- to the North were ---> IMPORTANT BARRIERS TO GENE FLOW <--- in prehistoric times."

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bamako,mali

#3117 Nov 27, 2012
bozino wrote:
Negroes obsess over non-African civilizations because by doing so it allows them to deflect attention away from the fact that they have contributed next to nothing to the historical, cultural, scientific, spiritual, philosophical, political, and military accomplishments of man. They can best be described as a backwater race. A race that was isolated for most of human history. Only marginally of more significance than the Australoids.
That's exactly what white folks did stealing other peeps history claiming things they've done as being done by their white arse !This is probably the reason why you know about this !
345zzzza5467

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#3118 Nov 27, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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Distorting what the study says doesn't help your lies especially when you are quoting a study that clearly indicates Sub Saharan admixture in Europe is less then 3% to NONE "
Possibly. It is not uncommon for whitey to down play any black contribution. Whitey says 1-3% to cushion the blow. LOL!
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#3119 Nov 27, 2012
345zzzza5467 wrote:
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Possibly. It is not uncommon for whitey to down play any black contribution. Whitey says 1-3% to cushion the blow. LOL!
1-3% is what the evidence shows, you delusional Bantu who likes to make up your own personal incorrect opinions when the facts and evidence debunk your lies.

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Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#3120 Nov 27, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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There were little to no direct migrations from Africa into Europe 45,000 years ago since there was a sea that acted as a BARRIER during that time period. 45,000 years ago migrations into Europe were from West Asia by Eurasian types as Paleothic haplogroups in Europe clearly show Eurasian origins, NOT African.
"The Sahara desert to the south and ---> the Mediterranean Sea <--- to the North were ---> IMPORTANT BARRIERS TO GENE FLOW <--- in prehistoric times."
Sorry but this isn't quoted from the study.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#3121 Nov 27, 2012
Redefined wrote:
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Sorry but this isn't quoted from the study.
The study you quoted doesn't support your dubious claims since it talks about post Neolithic eras and that quote is taken directly from the study your Afrocentric bretheren provided in the previous post which he obviously didn't read and neither did you.

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Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#3122 Nov 27, 2012
345zzzza5467 wrote:
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Possibly. It is not uncommon for whitey to down play any black contribution. Whitey says 1-3% to cushion the blow. LOL!
The male lineages into Southern Europe during medieval times came from mostly Black Africans. Haplogroups E1b1b1b & E1b1b1a-b!

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