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Prove to me that the Khoisan/Bushmen people are apart of the black race!

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#1 Mar 28, 2012
Okay okay... This thread is not racist! I can already tell you people are thinking that, but it's not. I've been thinking about making this thread for a while. So I entered a very controversial debate with a user named Bigsmoke and other users. I asked them for factual evidence for them to prove that the Khoisan/Bushman people of southern Africa were apart of the black race, none of the users gave me good accurate factual evidence that they were.

Me and a member named Black American Prince actually backed up our claims with sources while the others didn't, but just make void claims. Now again, I am NOT trolling or being a racist, I just want proof. Scientist have claimed that the Bush/Khoisan people are apart of the Capoid race... A totally different race from black Africans. They actually lived in South Africa longer then the whites and even the black African Bantus who even massacred them in numbers.

So I ask again prove to me that these particular are apart of the black race.
http://www.south-african-homeschool-curriculu...
http://media.nowpublic.net/images//09/b/09b99...
http://static-l3.blogcritics.org/10/09/17/144...
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/homo_sapiens_...
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk2ye1tSWr1qbc...
http://www.nma.gov.au/__data/assets/image/000...
http://i50.tinypic.com/167w8ed.jpg

Again I AM NOT BEING A RACIST OR TROLLING! I JUST WANT PROOF! THANK YOU!
I Wonder why

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#3 Mar 28, 2012
The Khoisan's are black!!! Stop the dividing!

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#4 Mar 28, 2012
I Wonder why wrote:
The Khoisan's are black!!! Stop the dividing!
Any links or factual evidence to back up this claim?

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#5 Mar 28, 2012
What is "Black" to you? That's the real question.

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#6 Mar 28, 2012
Rooble wrote:
What is "Black" to you? That's the real question.
Okay, I would say west Africans, Central Africans and East Africans(to a degree since they are mixed). But the Khoisan people are said to belong to the Capoid race.
I Wonder why

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#7 Mar 28, 2012
Ms Cutey wrote:
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Any links or factual evidence to back up this claim?
i dont need any links because the Khoisan people are the oldest black group. stop dividing us blacks even further!

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#8 Mar 28, 2012
I Wonder why wrote:
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i dont need any links because the Khoisan people are the oldest black group. stop dividing us blacks even further!
That's not enough factual evidence.

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#9 Mar 28, 2012
Khoi carry the oldest ancient haplogroups A and B that originated in East Africa.

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#10 Mar 28, 2012
SEXYBLKWOMAN wrote:
Khoi carry the oldest ancient haplogroups A and B that originated in East Africa.
Yep indeed. Everyone listen to my estranged wife (SEXYBLKWOMAN) she is indeed correct.

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#11 Mar 28, 2012
SEXYBLKWOMAN wrote:
Khoi carry the oldest ancient haplogroups A and B that originated in East Africa.
I see. Not to sound stupid but I thought B Haplogroup originated in Asia, or am I talking about mtDNA?

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#12 Mar 28, 2012
Ms Cutey wrote:
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I see. Not to sound stupid but I thought B Haplogroup originated in Asia, or am I talking about mtDNA?
Yea that is mtdna..

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#13 Mar 28, 2012
BigsmokE8 wrote:
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Yep indeed. Everyone listen to my estranged wife (SEXYBLKWOMAN) she is indeed correct.
I'll kill you..

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#14 Mar 28, 2012
SEXYBLKWOMAN wrote:
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Yea that is mtdna..
How come scientist always say they are apart of the Capoid race? I don't get it.
Sherry

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#15 Mar 28, 2012
Rooble wrote:
What is "Black" to you? That's the real question.
Good question.

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#16 Mar 28, 2012
Ms Cutey wrote:
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How come scientist always say they are apart of the Capoid race? I don't get it.
Only internet pseudo scientist do. They are just apart of natural African diversity..

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#17 Mar 28, 2012
SEXYBLKWOMAN wrote:
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Only internet pseudo scientist do. They are just apart of natural African diversity..
Okay. I guess I lose.

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#18 Mar 28, 2012
No westerner will ever understand african diverse population.

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#19 Mar 29, 2012
Ms Cutey wrote:
Okay okay... This thread is not racist! I can already tell you people are thinking that, but it's not. I've been thinking about making this thread for a while. So I entered a very controversial debate with a user named Bigsmoke and other users. I asked them for factual evidence for them to prove that the Khoisan/Bushman people of southern Africa were apart of the black race, none of the users gave me good accurate factual evidence that they were.
Me and a member named Black American Prince actually backed up our claims with sources while the others didn't, but just make void claims. Now again, I am NOT trolling or being a racist, I just want proof. Scientist have claimed that the Bush/Khoisan people are apart of the Capoid race... A totally different race from black Africans. They actually lived in South Africa longer then the whites and even the black African Bantus who even massacred them in numbers.
So I ask again prove to me that these particular are apart of the black race.
http://www.south-african-homeschool-curriculu...
http://media.nowpublic.net/images//09/b/09b99...
http://static-l3.blogcritics.org/10/09/17/144...
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/homo_sapiens_...
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk2ye1tSWr1qbc...
http://www.nma.gov.au/__data/assets/image/000...
http://i50.tinypic.com/167w8ed.jpg
Again I AM NOT BEING A RACIST OR TROLLING! I JUST WANT PROOF! THANK YOU!
Of course they're black! As you see, even in the pics you provided, these people have lots of melanin, which should be sufficient as a proof. Moreover, the San actually have some extant populations closely related to them, like the Sandawe and Hadzabe who live in Tanzania. Google these peoples and decide for yourself whether they're black or not. The whole "Capoid" race is just a whiteman's invention, forged with the sole purpose to divide (and conquer) the black race. If the San are non-Black Capoids, then the Spaniards are non-White Mediterranoids. Deal?

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#22 Nov 25, 2012
You've posted your proof, have another look at your pictures; You post pics of Black Africans then claim its proof Khoisan speaking bush people aren't Black! You can't make a case you already refuted with pictorial evidence.

In 1 pic there's a typical looking Black woman, man and child. They have kinky Black hair/dark brown eyes, flat wide noses, full lips, big bums and dark skin!

In another pic there's a black woman carrying a small baby; (All or most Black babies are born very pale then darken with age)

What's your definition of Black? Maybe you find the baby to light to be Black.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/10611/10611-h/...

An extract from the link;

"Neither is this variation in the children from the colour of their parents improbable. The children of the blackest Africans are born white.[088] In this state they continue for about a month, when they change to a pale yellow. In process of time they become brown. Their skin still continues to increase in darkness with their age"

Using the word White is just a figure of speech; lets just say Black African babies are born considerably lighter than their parents.

My evidence won't sit well with racist White agendas that attempt to limit any ans all definitions of Black African to little as possible.

There's always a sinister political agenda behind Western scientific racial LIES. Coon made up this stupid and discredited term (Capoid) in the 60's so WHITE South Africa can claim Blacks weren't the 1st settlers in S. Africa. It's an erroneous claim anyway because Africans like Europeans were both entitled to migrate anywhere on their OWN continent (normally in search of food).

The poster of this nonsense is most likely a WHITE SOUTH AFRICAN.

This sneaky argument about what constitutes Black serves many purposes, I.e., The argument is used to claim ancient Egyptians weren't black. It's also used to claim the Moors 'widely accredited with civilizing Southern Europe' weren't Black; Both ancient Greeks and Romans described Moors as Black Africans.

Another problem with this sneaky agenda is; scientists acknowledge; widest skin pigmentation diversity is found in Sub-Saharan Africa.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11126724

Skin difference isn't necessarily reflected in different tribes either. Huge skin diversity can be found within Black African groups like the Igbos, or Nama of Namibia and Khoisan speaking bushmen themselves.

Concluding; skin diversity is found all over Africa, even amongst unmixed tribes in the West.

Using the Igbo tribe; here's a reference in case you start the usual trick of claiming light complexion in Black Africa is owed to or is the result of racial mixing;

This extract describes the unmixed IGBO Black African slaves as they were transported into Jamaica;

"Igbo slaves were also distinguished by the 'yellowish' skin tones which was observed that a lot of them had which prompted the word 'red eboe' to be used to describe people with light skin tones and African features"

(Igbo's are found in West Africa).

a b Cassidy, Frederic Gomes; Robert Brock Le Page (2002). A Dictionary of Jamaican English (2nd ed.). University of the West Indies Press. p. 457. ISBN 976-640-127-6

Why claim people with tight kinky Black hair, dark eyes, full lips, larger than average European backside, and light to dark skin aren't Black!!?

Even if you claim epicanthic eye folds denote non Black African roots, we only have to look at the Dinka of east Africa; or the Nama and Sandawe of Tanzania.

The Dinka are very Black, Blacker than most Black African people the distinguishing feature on some of them is Asiatic looking epicanthic eye folds.

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb....

Racist and tight definitions of Black are untenable and can't be maintained.

We can try the same trick with White European. white isn't even a biological term, but many withing that classification can look very different.

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#23 Nov 25, 2012
Ms Cutey wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay. I guess I lose.
You've posted your proof, have another look at your pictures; You post pics of Black Africans then claim its proof Khoisan speaking bush people aren't Black! You can't make a case you already refuted with pictorial evidence.

In 1 pic there's a typical looking Black woman, man and child. They have kinky Black hair/dark brown eyes, flat wide noses, full lips, big bums and dark skin!

In another pic there's a black woman carrying a small baby; (All or most Black babies are born very pale then darken with age)

What's your definition of Black? Maybe you find the baby to light to be Black.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/10611/10611-h/...

An extract from the link;

"Neither is this variation in the children from the colour of their parents improbable. The children of the blackest Africans are born white.[088] In this state they continue for about a month, when they change to a pale yellow. In process of time they become brown. Their skin still continues to increase in darkness with their age"

The extracts use of the word White is a figure of speech; lets just say Black African babies are born considerably lighter than their parents.

This evidence won't sit well with racist White agendas that attempt to limit any and all definitions of Black African to as little as possible.

There's always a sinister political agenda behind Western scientific racial LIES. Coon made up this stupid and discredited term (Capoid) in the 60's so WHITE South Africa can claim Blacks weren't the 1st settlers in S. Africa. It's an erroneous claim anyway because Africans like Europeans were both entitled to migrate anywhere on their OWN continent (normally in search of food).

The poster of this is most likely a WHITE SOUTH AFRICAN.

The sneaky argument about what constitutes Black serves many purposes, I.e., The argument is used to claim ancient Egyptians weren't black. It's also used to claim the Moors 'widely accredited with civilizing Southern Europe' weren't Black; Both ancient Greeks and Romans describe Moors as Black.

Another problem is; scientists acknowledge; widest UNMIXED skin pigmentation diversity is found in Sub-Saharan Africa.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11126724

Skin difference isn't necessarily reflected in different tribes. Skin diversity is found within Black African tribes like the Igbos, or Nama of Namibia.

Concluding; skin diversity is found all over Africa, even amongst unmixed tribes in the West.

Using the Igbo tribe; here's a reference in case you start the usual trick of claiming light complexion in Black Africa is owed to or is the result of racial mixing;

This extract describes unmixed IGBO Black African slaves as they were transported into Jamaica;

"Igbo slaves were also distinguished by the 'yellowish' skin tones which was observed that a lot of them had which prompted the word 'red eboe' to be used to describe people with light skin tones and African features"

(Igbo's are found in West Africa).

a b Cassidy, Frederic Gomes; Robert Brock Le Page (2002). A Dictionary of Jamaican English (2nd ed.). University of the West Indies Press. p. 457. ISBN 976-640-127-6

Why claim people with tight kinky Black hair, dark eyes, full lips, larger than average European backside, and light to dark skin aren't Black!!?

Even if you claim epicanthic eye folds denote non Black African roots, we only have to look at the Dinka of east Africa; or the Nama and Sandawe of Tanzania.

The Dinka are very Black, Blacker than most Black African people the distinguishing feature on some of them is Asiatic looking epicanthic eye folds.

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb....

Racist and tight definitions of Black are untenable and can't be maintained.

We can try the same trick with White European. white isn't even a biological term, but many withing that classification can look very different.

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