Time to note diversity of black vote

[Bill P]

OneRyder wrote:

1 - Blacks have voted for whites since blacks began voting in the states.
2 - Whites have voted for white candidates forever.
3 - You can cut the racial hatred with a knife when Obama's name comes up on these boards.
Now, we have a black candidate for President who's pulling Black votes and the press and many others feel as though Blacks have to explain away racism if they vote for Obama because he's black?
I don't think so.
Does anyone think it would be any different if Whites were in the minority, and after 200 years, thier party gets a white candidate that they agree with and support?

What a limpwristed, ultra liberal, unAmerican statement!

[Harrisson]

Honesty First wrote:

...I'm not saying Obama is anything like Berry...what I am saying is that black folks will support him because of his blackness even if a much better qualified individual of a different race were running opposed to him.

And what I'm saying is that in this race he DOESN'T HAVE much better qualified opponents of a different race, so your theory is a figment of your imagination.

The truth is you DON'T KNOW what would happen if someone much smarter and of a different color were to run against Obama. Why not work towards making that happen in 2012, okay?? Stop speculating about stupid-black-people-fantasies - although I'm sure it gets you a bit aroused. ;o)

'Cause the competition Obama's facing right now is S-O-R-R-Y! Completely uninspiring. And THAT is why Clinton got trounced.

[MinisterR]

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Sad thing is, as the campaign continues to Nov., those who --like-- a man for a race will cause the hatred to get even more vile.

OneRyder wrote:

Sad thing is, as the campaign continues to Nov., those who dislike a man for a race will cause the hatred to get even more vile.

[thomas Paine]

MinisterR wrote:

I guess you didn't hear that the majority/popular vote went for Gore that means most people (as you say whites and others) voted for Gore. He lost due to supreme court wrangling and the Florida electoral fiasco.
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MinisterR, Seems to me you should read the U.S. Constitution which clearly and uniqivically states that the ELECTORAL VOTE is what matters, not a popular vote.

In any case Gore did not win the popular vote in the disputed counties. AND GORE brought the issue into the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court performed their Constitutional duty and the ADJUDICATED the matter decding 7-2 that GORE WAS WRONG. Then the Supreme Court resolved by 5-4 what the solution to the Constitutional violation should be.

How many times do you want to recount before you get the answer you want?

Go read the Constitution, then formulate your opinion. IMO you biase your opinion upon your preconceived notions instead of basing your opinion upon the undisputable,verifiable,docume nted FACTS of the matter.

Bush won, Gore lost, the U.S. Constitution was upheld as required by the U.S. Supreme Court. GET OVER IT!! Else you will properly be labeling yourself as a FACIST.

[Bill P]

OneRyder wrote:

Meanwhile, this board is dripping with posts that say they won't vote for Obama BECAUSE he's black.
Those same people delcare his voters as being racists.
Sad thing is, as the campaign continues to Nov., those who dislike a man for a race will cause the hatred to get even more vile.
But as always, America will get bruised, but we'll survive it. Growing pains.
Obama 08!

You are ignorant! Noone has said that. I will not vote for Obama because he is unqualified and unelectable!

[MinisterR]

Who is really drinking the kool-aid or being spoon fed here? He is not a reformer and if you are from Illinois you should know that and if you don't there is only one reason

Harrisson wrote:

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Absolutely. Born suckers! The ones in this thread should be THANKFUL someone on the national stage can outthink chumps like Clinton and McCain.
Instead, they're ANGRY at the new guy on the block, the reformer. They wish he had more years under his belt being corrupted by corporate donations and compromised into useless mediocrity.
My personal theory - mine and mine alone - is that many whites find it irritating or annoying or embarassing to have to be corrected by a black. Or shown up in public, by a black man, as being incompetent or foolish.
Now white folks who have NOT been steeped in the urban myths of white supremacy, or raised by parents who use racial slurs at the dinner table, are going to act like normal people and say "Oh Gee, I didn't catch that. Thanks!" or "Oh wow! Clinton sure blew that one, didn't she??"
....instead of screeching like banshees and wailing about racism and railing at how blacks don't vote "properly." LOL!
Just my $.02

[Bill P]

Harrisson wrote:

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Absolutely. Born suckers! The ones in this thread should be THANKFUL someone on the national stage can outthink chumps like Clinton and McCain.
Instead, they're ANGRY at the new guy on the block, the reformer. They wish he had more years under his belt being corrupted by corporate donations and compromised into useless mediocrity.
My personal theory - mine and mine alone - is that many whites find it irritating or annoying or embarassing to have to be corrected by a black. Or shown up in public, by a black man, as being incompetent or foolish.
Now white folks who have NOT been steeped in the urban myths of white supremacy, or raised by parents who use racial slurs at the dinner table, are going to act like normal people and say "Oh Gee, I didn't catch that. Thanks!" or "Oh wow! Clinton sure blew that one, didn't she??"
....instead of screeching like banshees and wailing about racism and railing at how blacks don't vote "properly." LOL!
Just my $.02

If you've been paying attention at all, you'll know that the ONLY candidate to bring up race is your boy Obama. He also lied about Rev. Wright and expects us to overlook it.

[Harrisson]

Bill P wrote:

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Those problems are AMERICAN problems. Do you consider yourself American?

Of course I do. But too often blacks don't get "American credit" when complaints surface of stuff like, oh, a noose dangling in a SECRET SERVICE agent's office.

Think about that: A terrorist threat delivered by a member of the Secret Service!!!!

I'd sure classify that as an *American problem* too. But many of your compadres on this thread sure wouldn't. They'd be pissed at blacks always complaining or whining and wondering why someone "couldn't take a joke."

See the communication problem there??

[The Brit]

Bill P wrote:

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You are ignorant! No one has said that. I will not vote for Obama because he is unqualified and unelectable!

Just because it is not said, does not mean it is not implied.

[LBJ2020]

The media tells you that 90% of Blacks vote for Obama. I disagree based on my personal experience. How did they arrive at this percentage? What group did they use? The AA women I've talked to have voted for Hillary. When I asked them why, the answers were slightly varied. The majority of them said because she is a woman and it's our time. What?! Forget about doing some research, or listening to the candidate.
I vote based on whom I believe is going to take this nation in the direction it needs to go and has the citizens' best interest at heart. Not a female because I am one, and not AA because I am one. Never a Republican because I have seen what happens -- to them I do not count. Voting for the future of this nation. Best choice, Obama.

[OneRyder]

How about note why we think Hillary will win big in WEST VA. vs. Obama.

[MinisterR]

I don't know if would be any different but I know it would be just as wrong/evil.

You people don't get it. I am of mixed race, born and raised in South Shore, 74th Oglesby. So I know a little bit about racism to and from minorities. From my perspective racism has never been about just black and white it is an equal opportunity evil, no matter how you spin it.

Final comment (I said that earlier) anyone who votes straight party ticket is an uninformed and disinterested voter, to say the least. Guess what there are crooks and liars in every party.

OneRyder wrote:

1 - Blacks have voted for whites since blacks began voting in the states.
2 - Whites have voted for white candidates forever.
3 - You can cut the racial hatred with a knife when Obama's name comes up on these boards.
Now, we have a black candidate for President who's pulling Black votes and the press and many others feel as though Blacks have to explain away racism if they vote for Obama because he's black?
I don't think so.
Does anyone think it would be any different if Whites were in the minority, and after 200 years, thier party gets a white candidate that they agree with and support?

[thomas Paine]

Bill P wrote:

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You are ignorant! Noone has said that. I will not vote for Obama because he is unqualified and unelectable!

Yes OBAMA is "unqualified and unelectable" BECAUSE of the following

1)Inexperienced=no resume to speak of
2)Too Socialist= We don't like them
3)Too many racist associations in his own family and friends
4)Wife has a big mouth and is too socialist.
5)Too many slum landlord friends
6)Too "uppity" and insulting to many working class Americans who cling to their religion,bibles,guns,and locales.
7)Can't bowl for s**t - a 37 ?
8)Hussein is a Muslim name = his father was obviously a Muslim. We are currently at war with Muslim extremists = another bad association.
(My apologies to all reasonable Muslims, but that is the way it is)

Finally I have another question. How
come Obama's wife, working at Univ of Chicagpo Hospitals get a RAISE OF SOME $200,000 +/- after Obama is eleceted to the SENATE,, AND THEN how come one of Obama's very few budget spending EARMARKS is for about $5Million +/- dollars of giveaway to the University of Chicago Hospitals? A conflict of interest? a quid pro quo? sure looks like it.

Haven't heard of this? If BHO WHO is nominated, you will hear of it -BIG TIME.

I suggest this is something ALL REPORTERS including Brice really dig into to determine the facts of the matter, regardless of the race of the participants.

The OBAMnation shall not prevail

IMO

[MCD]

Harrison

Actually, noting the vast problems caused by illegal immigration and demanding action to resolve it is not "whining" and "victimhood".

On the other hand, African American's drop out of school in higher rates and have higher rates of out-of-wedlock children, causing financial strain on themselves and then blame Whites. Too many prefer victimhood.

LOL at your ignorance.

[Glasnos]

Blacks like to get off on saying whites won't vote for Obama because he is black ... but the evidence is not supporting that. Obama has gotten this far because the vast majority of blacks vote democrat ... thus doubling their numbers in a democrat primary. The liberal whites have joined the blacks and voted for him.
He is too liberal and too afro-centric and bigoted to be elected.... Now I would vote for Condi Rice in a heartbeat over McCain. The irony is, most blacks would not, because she is extremely bright and intelligent, and believes in self responsibility ... and just like Bill Cosby she would be rejected due to the entitlement mentality of Jeremiah's and Obama's world.

[Jay C]

I would like to address the 80%-90% African American vote for Barack Obama.
As I notice as the fight between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton supporters continue. In reading several posts there is always one question from whites that leaves many African Americans scratching their heads? "Why is it okay for 90% of blacks to vote for Obama and not consider it racist but if whites were to vote in the same numbers as blacks for a white candidate they would be called racist - why the double standard!"
Here's my response:
1. Although I admit there might be negligible numbers of African Americans whose vote may be predicated on skin color (Just as there are a percentage of whites who would never vote for a black based simply on race). I would venture to say you equally have women who simply vote for Hillary Clinton only because she is a woman. The same could be said of white male candidates who have dominated the political landscape for many generations (have you ever heard of the "old boys club"?).
I would venture to say that a majority of African Americans wouldn't vote for a candidate simply because that person is a fellow African American. If that were the case why is it that a majority of African Americans disapprove of the following individuals: Secretary Condoleezza Rice, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, and former Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell to name a few? I would venture to say that if the above individuals were running for national office they would garner more of the white conservative vote than the total number of votes from blacks regardless of political affiliation. The primary driving force for African Americans to vote for a political candidate is based on economic and social interest NOT skin color alone.
2. Politically, blacks have always supported the Democratic Party in large numbers since at least the 1970's if not earlier. Let's try to put on our thinking caps and remember when 100% of the democratic candidates for office were white and received 80%-90% of the black vote! Why isn't there an outcry of racism? The numbers of black voters turning out to vote for a candidate were 80%-90% then? The only difference... the candidate was white.
I believe prior to the Iowa Caucuses when Hillary Clinton was in the lead she received 30%-40% of the black vote before she decided to use negative tactics against Obama and her husband began to inject race into the Campaign! I think the reason Hillary Clinton only receives marginal black votes of 4%-5% afterwards is because of her "win at any cost" tactics and the "slash and burn" style of politics she has not only turned away African Americans like me but many white Americans as well.
Now that you have a black Democratic candidate running for office and who receives the majority of the black vote, and a good percentage of the white vote all of a sudden African Americans who vote in large numbers for Obama are racist. Why is it that we just can't support a candidate who happens to be black because he or she supports not only our issues but AMERICA's issues as well? It reminds me of Republicans who ask why majority of blacks vote democratic? Well maybe perhaps republicans choose not to represent issues that are important to many U.S. born minorities or you have examples where republicans refuse to show up at the presidential debates for example this past February at HBCU (Historically Black Colleges and Universities)at Howard University to talk about how republicans would address day-to-day issues that affect African Americans?
I just don't understand the logic????????
Hopefully anyone who disagrees with my analysis will direct their response to the following question: Why is it ok for blacks to vote in large numbers 80%-90% for white Democratic candidates in the past running for office but racist if the democratic candidate happens to be black?

[Gab]

Harrisson wrote:

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Assuming blackness was the key factor, then I totally agree, BUT....
you have yet to show that Obama is a corrupt drug user like Berry, or an incompetent administrator like Nagin, or any signs of becoming like them.
All you can do is point at his blackness and his high voting percentages with black folks, both of which simply are not very persuasive.

I'm not compairing Obama to Berry or Nagin,yet.
Theres simply not enough information on him out there yet.
I guess my point was that Berry and Nagin proved their incompitence and still got reelected.
If only blacks were voting for Obama his campaign would never have gotten off the ground.
Lots of white folks like the man as well.

[MinisterR]

Or you could say .. you keep leaving out the fact that this dude is part of the Illinois corrupt machine. He didn't just get hatched in a test tube. I gather you either like Daley because he is a democrat or hate him because he is white. Either way you must be wondering why Daley's chief election political genius David Axlerod is Obama's chief strategist.

You selective memory is interesting to say the least. People would have more respect for you if you just admit it you are supporting BHO because he is black. Say, live it and stand proud of it. Trying to rationalize it with all your crap is not working

Harrisson wrote:

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Absolutely. Born suckers! The ones in this thread should be THANKFUL someone on the national stage can outthink chumps like Clinton and McCain.
Instead, they're ANGRY at the new guy on the block, the reformer. They wish he had more years under his belt being corrupted by corporate donations and compromised into useless mediocrity.
My personal theory - mine and mine alone - is that many whites find it irritating or annoying or embarassing to have to be corrected by a black. Or shown up in public, by a black man, as being incompetent or foolish.
Now white folks who have NOT been steeped in the urban myths of white supremacy, or raised by parents who use racial slurs at the dinner table, are going to act like normal people and say "Oh Gee, I didn't catch that. Thanks!" or "Oh wow! Clinton sure blew that one, didn't she??"
....instead of screeching like banshees and wailing about racism and railing at how blacks don't vote "properly." LOL!
Just my $.02

[MinisterR]

Where do you get this data? It is not supported by every post election statistic thus far. My fault I just realized you represent all black people everywhere. But since I am only 33% I guess I don't fit your categorization of a whole group of people.

The Brit wrote:

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Yes here we go, and I supppose if they didnt, it would be headline - Barack Obama, not black enough?
Yes there are those that do vote for him because of the colour of his skin and there are those (a very high percentage) that vote for the man and see past that.

[MCD]

Harrison seems more concerned about a noose dangling (yes, it's despicable) than the fact that Blacks are more likely to be killed BY OTHER BLACKS than Whites, AND Whites are more likely to be killed by Blacks than other Whites. Who's the terrorists, Harrison???