Are italians really white?

[young brotha]

black people come in different shades and so do white people. yes a long time ago black carthage conquered rome and mated with thier women. however this does not make them black. they are white people but whites often show prejudice against them and the greeks for being dark just like darkskinned blacks often call lighterskinned blacks, knowing darn well they are black.

[young brotha]

darkskin blacks often call lighterskinned blacks, white

[ephilly]

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[mike]

there is no such thing as white

[sthldn girl]

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[Rhaymo83]

young brotha wrote:

black people come in different shades and so do white people. yes a long time ago black carthage conquered rome and mated with thier women. however this does not make them black. they are white people but whites often show prejudice against them and the greeks for being dark just like darkskinned blacks often call lighterskinned blacks, knowing darn well they are black.

oh my god!!! when did carthage conquer rome?? rome conquered carthage.. what kind of history did you learn????
And carthaginians was white, because they was punic = phoenician = white....

[sanity]

Italians are known to have black blood.

But this does not make them black...they are mediterranean, and their culture is European/white.

The Italians (Roman Empire) carved the way for what is known to be white culture/civilization. Just because there is some black blood in there, does not make them black.

Just like alot of blacks have white blood, but they are black, with black culture. Open your eyes folks, open your eyes.

Being white does NOT mean that your DNA is 100% white; it is a culture, a way of life. Many white Americans have Indian AND black blood, and are still white, largely determined by culture/appearance/speech etc... We are all related, BUT by paving the way for the spread of European culture all over the world, Italians are Mediterranean but mostly white!

[mike]

all people decent from a part of the world (all people are from africa. white and black and what ever people put labels on skin color but there is no black and white no such thing as race just family history from that part of the world

[ephilly]

Anti-Negro League wrote:

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i went to america and i'm more white than many irish or german or wasp !

I am considered black and I look nothing like someone from Western Africa. So what is your point? So if white is white period like you have suggested...than how are you more white than someone else?

[Rhaymo83]

Epiktedus wrote:

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And? Are there not "black" Berbers? Aside from that, are you denying African occupance in Ancient Rome? If so, then your account of history is suspect as well. Who said anything about "big lips"?*SMH*... You anti-black idiot posters are pathetic. Anyone with half a brain would agree that it is logical to infer that miscegenation has occurred with antiquity, in Africa with Romans, and vice versa.

Epiktedus wrote:

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And? Are there not "black" Berbers? Aside from that, are you denying African occupance in Ancient Rome? If so, then your account of history is suspect as well. Who said anything about "big lips"?*SMH*... You anti-black idiot posters are pathetic. Anyone with half a brain would agree that it is logical to infer that miscegenation has occurred with antiquity, in Africa with Romans, and vice versa.

do you know roman history???? i suspect you don't.
stop with "it's logical", or "idiot". These are words of a guy without evidence to proof his assertions.
give us your ancient source (tacitus, livy etc..)or dna evidence regarding miscegenation with africans in ancient italy.

anyway, i posted genetic study. And you???

Ps: big lips was referred to your "do you really need a DNA study to determine what is apparent

[Stahlhelm]

Anti-Negro League wrote:

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the majority of the italians are like me , we don't want negro,arabs and other inferior races in our country and WE ARE WHITE!!!! put in your fucked brain!!!! and we are not "meds" ,maybe the tunisian or turks are "meds" ,we are europeans!!!!!!

And the EU don`t need you guys:
Italy and Greece are the problem cases in Europe.Already today their regions are mostly unattractive for investors.And in the coming years,they will continue to lose competitiveness explosives for the euro.
Italy and Greece are as technologically demanding sites for production and development hardly competitive.The countries occupy the site manager magazine ranking of the worst places.

[young brotha]

rhamo83 u r an idiot. learn your history and you will see initially carthage defeated the romans when hannible a black man rode in on elephants. the cathginians were black just like the phonecians but you white folks are so scared that if the truth of history is revealed then the chains of psychological and educational slavery will be broken. i bet you think those white jews are the biblical ones too. did you know constantine hired black bishops from egyt to create catholicism. you people are pathetic. i see you dont deny how gay the romans were. you people need to spend more time tyring to stabilize that sorry government over there that seems to change every year. oh and if you didnt know chump the askenzi jews(whites) took over the vatican thru the jesuits. the glory days of rome and italy in general are over so instaed of thinking about us do something about that mess over there. Rome has fallen.

[young brotha]

i wonder what type of educational system they have in italy. and a reference to tacitus or livy means nothing. try runoko rashidi, or diop. and yes there was miscegenation in italy there were even black popes. rome was like america. a melting pot. now get off this site dago ur not welcome here.

[ephilly]

LOL. ANTI-NEGRO LEAGUE:

WHAT IS YOU RESPONSE TO STAHLHELM?

[ephilly]

Some people kill me. I even read somewhere that ancient egyptians were white. Have you looked at their drawings of themselves. They range from light brown to dark brown. Every egyptian I know looks arab. Are you telling me that all those arab looking people caused a white flight in egypt.

[Rhaymo83]

young brotha wrote:

i wonder what type of educational system they have in italy. and a reference to tacitus or livy means nothing. try runoko rashidi, or diop. and yes there was miscegenation in italy there were even black popes. rome was like america. a melting pot. now get off this site dago ur not welcome here.

in the usa you have a great school of science and technology, but ancient and medievale history is very catastrophic.. don't worry, you're not only guy that don't know ancient history..
Read this and shut up
"Similar data from the Y-chromosome reveals Italians' even lower non-Caucasoid paternal admixture. Both studies obtained samples from all over the mainland and islands. No Asian DNA was detected anywhere, but a single sub-Saharan African E(xE3b) sequence was found in the first study's sample of 416 (0.2%), and six were observed in the second study's sample of 746 (0.8%). The total is therefore a minuscule 0.6%, which decreases to 0.4% if only Southern Italians are considered and 0% if only Sicilians are considered. Again, these are normal levels of admixture for European populations (e.g. Austrians were found to have 0.8% E(xE3b) by Brion et al. 2004)."
you're denying history and science...

[Stahlhelm]

Anti-Negro League wrote:

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i saw a lot of german or britons or irish with medium skin tone and brow eyes , i have light eyes and fair skin , according to your theory i'm more white ,because you not considered people with medium skin and brow eyes white , well i'm white more than many germans ahahahahahaha

Do you have a sense perception sickness,or could it be that you are a habitual liar.

[ephilly]

Anti-Negro League wrote:

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sieg heil ! do you like it? Hitler was allied with us yeppp!!!!

Trust me I am not replying back because I want you to bow down and admit that some Italians have non-caucasoid genetics. You still haven’t explained why being considered white is so important. Look at Stahlhelm’s comment. Obviously being white has been getting the Italians no where in the last few years.

[sanity]

Anti-Negro League wrote:

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i saw a lot of german or britons or irish with medium skin tone and brow eyes , i have light eyes and fair skin , according to your theory i'm more white ,because you not considered people with medium skin and brow eyes white , well i'm white more than many germans ahahahahahaha

You are so defensive! MAKES you wonder!

The Italian race is very different from the English/Irish?French. And there is nothing wrong with that!

Why so defensive! Italian culture can NOT be surpassed! The Italian culture is at the top of the pinnacle...

But! It is a mixed race, it is obvious to anyone who can see! You can say what you will, but the phenotype tells the truth.

Yes, google it, I have, and found MUCH GENETIC EVIDENCE THAT ITALIANS HAVE A MUCH HIGHER SUB SAHARAN GENETIC COMPONENT THAN ANY OTHER EUROPEAN! FACT! BLACK BLOOD!

BUT, this does not really matter! The Italian culture is the finest, they led the way in spreading their empire, and in doing so, mixed the bloods, and they are a BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE!

Who cares? The Spanish, the Portuguese also have KNOW SUBSAHARAN!
WHY is this a dirty word? EVERYONE IS SO DEPSPERATE TO SAY THEY ARE WHITE, WHEN ACTUALLY ALOT OF WHITES HAVE SOME BLACK BLOOD!

THE LATEST EXAMPLE WAS WATSON, DR. WATSON, THE DISCOVERER OF DNA...He was going on a racist tirade,( assuming that he was pure white!) and found out that his DNA is 16% AFRICAN!!!! HE HAD TO CANCEL HIS BOOK TOUR!

SO, get with the program, folks! There are VERY FEW PURE WHITES, GERMANS HAVE ASIAN BLOOD, WHITES HAVE AFRICAN BLOOD, AND JEWS ARE NOT WHITE AT ALL!

BUT NONE OF THIS IS IMPORTANT! THAT IS THE POINT! WE ARE ALL MOVERS AND SHAKERS WITH MIXED GENE POOLS, SOME A LITTLE MORE MIXED THAN OTHERS.

I LOVE ITALIANS, ITALIAN CULTURE IS THE RICHEST IN THE WORLD, and genetic analysis does reveal sub-saharan admixture in the overall population.

Vive Italia!

[Rhaymo83]

ephilly wrote:

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Trust me I am not replying back because I want you to bow down and admit that some Italians have non-caucasoid genetics. You still haven’t explained why being considered white is so important. Look at Stahlhelm’s comment. Obviously being white has been getting the Italians no where in the last few years.

it's not important to be white.. it's important agree with science and genetic.
if tomorrow all genetic studies show us that italians have black ancestory, well, we have black ancestory.
but today science and genetic show us that italians don't have black ancestory..