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#292 Apr 21, 2013
Trouble wrote:
<quoted text>She can pass for some Cubans..but she still looks 3/4 white, and still not a real Latina look. You are correct Latinos look different from black Americans, whether they be dark or light.
Another AA Latino-5190hating racist disgorging idiocies.

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#293 Apr 21, 2013
Another disgruntled AA anti-Latino-hating racist disgorging idiocies.
Trouble

Brooklyn, NY

#294 Apr 21, 2013
Brainiac2 wrote:
Another disgruntled AA anti-Latino-hating racist disgorging idiocies.
No, i'm Haitian, not AA. I already said many times most AA and Latinos look nothing alike. My pops is half Dominican, but i don't even claim that, nor have i ever felt the need to ride on their coat-tails...i rep Haiti to the fullest
Trouble

Brooklyn, NY

#295 Apr 21, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because the majority of latinos ARE non-black mestizos. I am not denying that. And if they don't ask any more questions in that regard so far as "latino" then they may just hunt down the wrong guy....especially in places like NYC are you kidding me...they'll go looking for a mestizo Peruvian/Mexican when the suspect would be riding the subway and bus right next to them under their noses looking as black as day with wavy, "gud" hair
Ok finally we're getting somewhere. Good, you admit that most Latinos are non-black Latinos..that's the point. Since there is a domininat phenotype in the hispanic ethnic group, then that look would constitute a race,(even though some might not agree)just like if a black man move to china he can be chinese but the dominant racial type is the slanted eyed orientals with thick straight black hair, so the black man is not part of the oriental "race", even though he might be ethnically Chinese. When police give a description saying "hispanic/Latino", description=phenotype/physical traits=race. And remember i said that police usually say "light skin hispanic", or "dark skin hispanic", that shows you they know dark skin and light skin hispanics still aren't black..so they would never let the dark skin guy get away since they specify that. But don't worry i see the point you're making..in some ways your right, but that is the answer to your question on an example of why Latinos are not viewed as black in America.

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Since: Mar 12

Alhambra, CA

#296 Apr 21, 2013
KenyanBoy wrote:
Kat deluna is beautiful, she look like a HOA girl.
hoa=horn of african, right? Yeah, but her face is WAY too chubby to me.
UruEuWauWau

Jundiaí, Brazil

#297 Apr 22, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
<quoted text>
...
Louisiana Creole people refers to those who are descended from the colonial settlers in Louisiana, especially those of French and Spanish descent.
Again, overwhelming majority of Louisiana Yank Creoles are of Afro-French mixed descent, not Spanish. ;-) & I dun need some Anglo wikipiki to know this as a fact. ;-D Many mixed Yank Creoles could be easily mistaken for European Gypsies. ;-)
UruEuWauWau

Jundiaí, Brazil

#298 Apr 22, 2013
Amelia DANCE XStasy wrote:
UruEuWauWau,
Yes some Creoles do have Spanish ancestry. Learn history fool. There are even Creoles in Puerto Rico and Belize. There's a small Creole population at the southwestern tip, I believe, of Belize where they speak both Spanish and French/Creole. Some of the Creoles with Spanish ancestry are in places such as Puerto Rico, the other islands, and some in LA particularly northern LA. LA belonged to Spain at one point before they sold it back to France and now France selling it to America.
BS, PR historically was never a part of ole Yankland, it was recently conquered & occupied by 'em Yanks. ;-) Same goes to Pacific Islanders, who were never part of Yank history until 'recently'. ;-D Belize is not part of ole Yankland as well. ;-) Spanish & Portuguese creoles lived in L.America since the get go of European coloniz8ion. ;-) LA doesn't have 'Spanish Creoles', but Mexican mestizo descendants, amongst which are also Chicanos. ;-D In Florida the situ8ion was similar, but in both cases it was mostly Spanish mestizoes, not creoles. ;-) Creoles are typical of Francophone world, & they have their own distinctive lang, cuisine & culture. ;-D Brazil used to had many creole communities, but in time almost all got assimil8d by the majority, & only a few small remnants are left, or cultural traces thereof. ;-) & even in BRA the only real big creole group is Francophone & lives in the northern st8s. ;-D
UruEuWauWau

Jundiaí, Brazil

#299 Apr 22, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
<quoted text>
west african culture and roots is not my "own culture" my culture is AFRICAN AMERICAN, hispanic and creole. And no one is "forcing" anyone to classify themselves as black. I'm just stating that the way america works is if you have any noticeable black feature(s) you are automatically lumped as black. Especially if asked if you are part african. If you say "yes" then your race is black, NOT white. Sorry to burst your and latino's bubbles.
Also, how ignorant do you think i am to not realize that most hispanics are mestizo...I live in LA, also known as taco-land where I speak spanish every other day and see BILLIONS of mexicans and other latinos just walking around. In fact I came across an AFRO-MEXICAN the other day. So i'm very educated about latino/hispanic culture and origins.
Yo' culture surely ain't Hispanic in the least, but Anglo. ;-D Mexicans are part of Hispanic & Latin world, Cali is now, unfortun8ly, for the most part an ole Yankland's Anglo st8. ;-) The only real Hispanic & Latin in Cali are Mexican immigrants & Chicanos, w/ a few other Latin groups. & the only real Yank creoles are the ones who move from the southern Yankland's EC to the WC. ;-D Tanpoco creo k vo comprende cuando un Chicanito havla en su catellano y no se comunica en ingle, save. ;-)
UruEuWauWau

Jundiaí, Brazil

#300 Apr 22, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
<quoted text>
in america at first glance i would say mestizo for the people in the link. However if they were found to have a black "grandmother" hiding somewhere in the back bedroom then they would be lumped in as black of race but wholeheartedly accepted as latino as well because of their overwhelming latino culture. IT's not always about who "looks" black in america. Like i said there are some "blacks" who could "pass for white", but if they (society) found out where their family origins lie, then they would be treated as negro.
And those women i mentioned most certainly would be looked at as lightskinned 'black' women in america. There's no question about it. You have to look completely white or completely mestizo to cross racial lines like that. America is so colorstruck and hung up on race that someone WILL study your face VERY carefully to pick out features and "categorize" you. if any black shows up in their radar, they will ask you first and if you declare "well puerto ricans/dominicans are spanish, african and native american"...the first thing they will think is "oh, how nice a NEGRO latino..."
Let's get some thaangs straight here. ;-D 1st of all, America includes from Canada all the way down to Argentina, so ya can only refer to ole Yankland/USA. ;-) I must reiter8 here. ;-D Since when is J.Beals black in the ole Yankland, since she never said so, nor claimed anythin' else but mixed,'biracial' or 'mulatto'?! ;-D PR?! I never heard any Yank callin' Wisin & Yandel 'black', let alone R.Martin. ;-) & there is a funny thaaang when it comes to DR & PR, in general. ;-D They are more prone to claim us BRA peeps as Latin & their bros & sisses, than us claimin''em or other Latin n8ions. ;-)

- & so here the same Q again. What color & race are these peeps?! Are they black?
h.ttp://youtu.be/bIW2nuWYgX8

How 'bout all y'all Yank Blacks/IViggers/Creoles/AAs finally start claimin' 35% White Yanks w/ various degrees of W.African admixture, black, aye?! ;-D

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#301 Apr 22, 2013
Trouble wrote:
<quoted text>Ok finally we're getting somewhere. Good, you admit that most Latinos are non-black Latinos..that's the point. Since there is a domininat phenotype in the hispanic ethnic group, then that look would constitute a race,(even though some might not agree)just like if a black man move to china he can be chinese but the dominant racial type is the slanted eyed orientals with thick straight black hair, so the black man is not part of the oriental "race", even though he might be ethnically Chinese. When police give a description saying "hispanic/Latino", description=phenotype/physical traits=race. And remember i said that police usually say "light skin hispanic", or "dark skin hispanic", that shows you they know dark skin and light skin hispanics still aren't black..so they would never let the dark skin guy get away since they specify that. But don't worry i see the point you're making..in some ways your right, but that is the answer to your question on an example of why Latinos are not viewed as black in America.
Black Latinos such as Celia Cruz, Roberto Clemente, Felix Trinidad and Pele aren't viewed as black in the USA?

LOLWROF

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#302 Apr 22, 2013
UruEuWauWau wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's get some thaangs straight here. ;-D 1st of all, America includes from Canada all the way down to Argentina, so ya can only refer to ole Yankland/USA. ;-) I must reiter8 here. ;-D Since when is J.Beals black in the ole Yankland, since she never said so, nor claimed anythin' else but mixed,'biracial' or 'mulatto'?! ;-D PR?! I never heard any Yank callin' Wisin & Yandel 'black', let alone R.Martin. ;-) & there is a funny thaaang when it comes to DR & PR, in general. ;-D They are more prone to claim us BRA peeps as Latin & their bros & sisses, than us claimin''em or other Latin n8ions. ;-)
- & so here the same Q again. What color & race are these peeps?! Are they black?
h.ttp://youtu.be/bIW2nuWYgX8

How 'bout all y'all Yank Blacks/IViggers/Creoles/AAs finally start claimin' 35% White Yanks w/ various degrees of W.African admixture, black, aye?! ;-D
They don't seem to be playing with a full deck.
Le patina il coco.
Trouble

Brooklyn, NY

#303 Apr 22, 2013
Brainiac2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Black Latinos such as Celia Cruz, Roberto Clemente, Felix Trinidad and Pele aren't viewed as black in the USA?
LOLWROF
Of course they are, who said they weren't? I said "Latinos weren't viewed as black in America", but i'm referring to mestizo, majority racial type in Latin America, not "black" Latinos...i made that clear more than once.

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#304 Apr 22, 2013
Trouble wrote:
<quoted text>Of course they are, who said they weren't? I said "Latinos weren't viewed as black in America", but i'm referring to mestizo, majority racial type in Latin America, not "black" Latinos...i made that clear more than once.
Latino and mestizo aren't synonymous.
So when I read Latino I don't automatically seem mestizo.

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#305 Apr 22, 2013
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Since: Mar 12

Alhambra, CA

#306 Apr 22, 2013
UruEuWauWau wrote:
<quoted text>
LA doesn't have 'Spanish Creoles', but Mexican mestizo descendants, amongst which are also Chicanos. ;-D In Florida the situ8ion was similar, but in both cases it was mostly Spanish mestizoes, not creoles. ;-) Creoles are typical of Francophone world, & they have their own distinctive lang, cuisine & culture. ;-D
uh Louisiana does and did have spanish creoles. I have a white cousin with a spanish last name (not no mestizo..WHITE...SPANISH...yal l in latin america wish you were white) who lives in biloxi (like 30 min away from new orleans), don't tell me she's not creole, i don't think so buddy.

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Since: Mar 12

Alhambra, CA

#307 Apr 22, 2013
UruEuWauWau wrote:
<quoted text>
Yo' culture surely ain't Hispanic in the least, but Anglo. ;-D Mexicans are part of Hispanic & Latin world, Cali is now, unfortun8ly, for the most part an ole Yankland's Anglo st8. ;-) The only real Hispanic & Latin in Cali are Mexican immigrants & Chicanos, w/ a few other Latin groups. & the only real Yank creoles are the ones who move from the southern Yankland's EC to the WC. ;-D Tanpoco creo k vo comprende cuando un Chicanito havla en su catellano y no se comunica en ingle, save. ;-)
Hables espanol mejor que yo, pero no creo que solamente hispanico genuino es los Chicanos y Mexicans. Esta mas que eso, y que tu sabes sobre de mi cultura, disfruta revolcarse en ignorancia, narcotraficante.

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Since: Mar 12

Alhambra, CA

#308 Apr 22, 2013
Brainiac2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Latino and mestizo aren't synonymous.
So when I read Latino I don't automatically seem mestizo.
yeah, they kind of are if you wanna get into stereotypes. Maybe you don't see it as such cuz ur azz is black that's why haha.

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

Alhambra, CA

#309 Apr 22, 2013
UruEuWauWau wrote:
<quoted text>
Yo' culture surely ain't Hispanic in the least, but Anglo. ;-D Mexicans are part of Hispanic & Latin world, Cali is now, unfortun8ly, for the most part an ole Yankland's Anglo st8. ;-) The only real Hispanic & Latin in Cali are Mexican immigrants & Chicanos, w/ a few other Latin groups. & the only real Yank creoles are the ones who move from the southern Yankland's EC to the WC. ;-D Tanpoco creo k vo comprende cuando un Chicanito havla en su catellano y no se comunica en ingle, save. ;-)
Que te sabes que mi cultura? Hablas espanol mejor que yo pero no creo el hispanico genuino es solamente Mexicano o Chicano. Esta mas que "Mexicano y Chicano" hispanicas en Los Angeles, disfruta revolcarse en ignorancia, narcotraficante.

(apparently my other post didn't show so i had to re-write all of this)-_-

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Since: Mar 12

Alhambra, CA

#310 Apr 22, 2013
So, Brazilian guy if i didn't somehow absorb some hispanic/creole culture how is it that i speak (and cook, and attend catholic church) in some spanish? Huh, give me that i'm waiting.

i bet you don't know about tortillas con huitlacoche, posole, nopales or any of that stuff.
Amelia WET DOG trainer

Castle Rock, CO

#311 Apr 22, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
<quoted text>
i say i'm black american in everyday life, not african american. I use that term on this forum because it's co-exchangeable.
"Seriously, they aren't denying their African blood. "
I don't know about that...look at this video...and did you watch the documentary posted a few posts ago? People as black as the guy in the video will swear they are 80% spanish and "only" 20% "black":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =gO5DXOhX9pIXX
And i'm not dogging beyonce for claiming creole. Beyonce pushes creole in a different manner, as if it's not black. i have said that creole is black...it's not necessarily AA though...Read my thread: "i'm not black, i'm creole" (i know in the title it says "i'm not black", but that was to get thread traffic (because yall know that AA will get fired up over that sht and discussin haha), and i stated this in-thread while simultaneously claiming to be black in race, but creole in culture)
I've been on your thread "I'm not black, I'm Creole" before lol. Yes, you're right....that title will get uber traffic by blacks in there lol. Yes for the most part Creoles are still black. I only say it's not to get under the skin of these Afrocentric blacks who swear up and down Creoles are only black when that isn't true either. There are French Creoles who are indeed white with two "white" parents while their grandparent or beyond is of African (black) origin. There's so many of them down in NOLA. Creoles of color which is what I am or consider myself. I'm a woman of color for the most part while there are French Creoles. But you're right. How does Beyonce push being Creole in a different way? She pushes it no differently than what I push it or anyone else does. She knows she's a Creole of color or considered a black woman, but because Creoles and black Americans have differences by culture and ultimately creed, she pushes it in a manner she should be. She's proud of her heritage and culture. Most black Americans can't name 5 Creole dishes. They name a Cajun dish which is similar to Creole but can't name the one difference between the two so yes we are different by culture but ultimately share the same ancestry. I'm just glad there are other Creoles of color in the industry now coming out with their heritage and embracing it. Meagan Good is another Creole of color along with JD..forgot her last name, but she played in the movie 'Friday' I believe.

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