Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are BLACK
UruEuWauWau

São Luiz, Brazil

#252 Apr 21, 2013
Brainiac2 wrote:
In Louisiana, the term Creole came to represent children of black or racially mixed parents as well as children of French and Spanish descent with no racial mixing. Persons of French and Spanish descent in New Orleans and St. Louis began referring to themselves as Creoles after the Louisiana Purchase to set themselves apart from the Anglo-Americans who moved into the area. Today, the term Creole can be defined in a number of ways.
Louisiana historian Fred B. Kniffin, in Louisiana: Its Land and People, has asserted that the term Creole "has been loosely extended to include people of mixed blood, a dialect of French, a breed of ponies, a distinctive way of cooking, a type of house, and many other things. It is therefore no precise term and should not be defined as such."
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In Louisiana there are even Yank Black Creoles, who're kinda left aside even by other light-skinned Yank Creoles. ;-)
UruEuWauWau

São Luiz, Brazil

#253 Apr 21, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
so no one has been able to give me a straight answer yet on why PRs/Dominicans aren't black in america....
Things i've heard so far are: Well they have more native ancestry, and they're more "mixed"....and that's about it.
I'll give ya a good one. ;-D Simply cause most of 'em dun self identify as black or IVigger, most of Boricuas dun even look like Yank Black/IViggers, & they dun even look like majority of Yank Creoles, especially black ones, & finally genetic studies confirmed they aren't black & have little of African admixture in them. ;-D Goin' strictly by genetics, Boricuas on average hardly reach even 25% of African admixture, whereas Dominicans are around 40%, both well below Yank Black/IVigger average of clearly above 60%. ;-) On top of that Boricuas have a huge ammount of Amerindian blood on maternal side, as far as I recall it, nuttin' similar can be found amongst Yank Blacks/IViggers. ;-D
UruEuWauWau

São Luiz, Brazil

#254 Apr 21, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
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yeah but what ppl aren't seeming to get is that these traits which "define sub-saharan africans" are not in a lot of blacks in the US, but they are still considered black. Such as mariah carey. She doesn't look stereotypically AA, but she is considered black in the USA (her father is a black venezuelan and mother is white). When mariah started with R and B, people did think she was white until they looked at her closely and saw that her parent (dad) was black and next thing you know she's dating nick cannon because guess what, she identifies as black.(although in certain circumstances admitedly she may "pass for white")
But her ex-hubby she fell in love w/ was white, right?! ;-D Not to mention that Mariah's old man was never considered black in Venezuela, but mixed 'zambo'. ;-) Chavez was more 'black', than Mariah will ever be. ;-D & his daughters are darker than Mariah. ;-)
UruEuWauWau

São Luiz, Brazil

#255 Apr 21, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
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what makes you think i'm miserable? Hell naw i'm not miserable, i just detest people who are obviously black trying to deny/downplay their heritage. damn yall have documentaries, studies, books, ALL that sht published on how yall don't wanna be black but are indeed "mulatto/mixed race" which equals black in america socially and every which way.
A simple Q again. ;-)

- are these peeps black?!
h.ttp://youtu.be/bIW2nuWYgX8

Hell to the naw?! ;-D
UruEuWauWau

São Luiz, Brazil

#256 Apr 21, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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Mariah Carey is considered Black because she was born in North America. Her physical traits are more closer to many Latinas IMO & many of them view themselves as a distinctive racial group & even if they are, the one's who have obvious Sub-Saharan traits will be seen as Black even tho they have admixture like Mariah Carey. If that make sense.
Mariah is not even a quadroon, let alone mulatto, & so much less 'black'. ;-D Her older sis has a typical S.European look on top of that. In L.America she's white, period. ;-)
UruEuWauWau

São Luiz, Brazil

#257 Apr 21, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
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so because i look half white that means i'm mixed and not black american. I think you are delusional.
Ya look half white?! Ya mixed, period. ;-D
UruEuWauWau

São Luiz, Brazil

#258 Apr 21, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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Well IMO This Latina woman & Mariah look like they could belong within' the same racial group.
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That Latin babe is less mixed & more white than Mariah, period. ;-)

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#259 Apr 21, 2013
Both have a great portion of negro admixture. But the Puerto Ricans are more Taino and white, while the Dominicans are more black and white.
UruEuWauWau

São Luiz, Brazil

#260 Apr 21, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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In North America, if you are half white, you're Black regardless of how you look because that's how PPL identify themselves. Outside of North America, that isn't the case & a half white person will NOT be considered Black. In Latin America there are too many admixed PPL who do NOT identify as Black.
BS, Mexico is N.America, & half white in Mexico is not 'black'. As far as I know not even in Canada. ;-) J.Beals dun consider herself a Yank IViggress, nor black, & she's actually 'blacker' than Mariah. ;-)
UruEuWauWau

São Luiz, Brazil

#261 Apr 21, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
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no, i'm afraid when it comes to the "race" section of the application, there are only 4 choices: Black, white, asian, and native american. The hispanic/latino category is listed under ethnicity. Pay attention to the form next time, people get race and ethnicity confused all the time. Mexicans (mestizo) would usually check "white" for race, and "hispanic" for ethnicity while a black dominican would check "black" for race and "hispanic" for ethnicity. If you have african ancestry you check "black" for race...then comes whatever ethnicity "non-hispanic" or "hispanic". For example, because I have spanish decent, but also african in there I would check "black" for race and "hispanic" for ethnicity. I can also check white caucasian and native, but those are auxillary things.
BS, Hispanic is no ethnicity, nor is the adjective 'Latin'. Pay attention next time when ya look @ the census form. ;-D On the other hand, how 'bout ya Xplain us the diff. between Japanese, Thai & Corean 'race'?! ;-D

“The Love Below”

Level 8

Since: Apr 10

ATL

#262 Apr 21, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
Both have a great portion of negro admixture. But the Puerto Ricans are more Taino and white, while the Dominicans are more black and white.
I think Loiza puerto rico has the more black residents, they look a lot like carribeans and AA's, and also carolina puerto rico. The eastern part of the island has more afro decedands, still mixed admixture, the middle of the island is more spanish/taino, and the western end is more european. http://kwekudee-tripdownmemorylane.blogspot.c...

“The Love Below”

Level 8

Since: Apr 10

ATL

#263 Apr 21, 2013
The Puerto Rico they Don't Show You

http://www.islandmix.com/backchat/f6/puerto-r...
UruEuWauWau

São Luiz, Brazil

#264 Apr 21, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
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The choices for ethnicity are:
Hispanic or Latino. A person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race. The term “Spanish origin” can be used in addition to “Hispanic or Latino.”
Not Hispanic or Latino
The choices for race are:
American Indian or Alaskan Native. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America), and who maintains tribal affiliation or community attachment.
Asian. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Phillipine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam.
Black or African American. A person having origins in any of the black racial groups or Africa. Terms such as “Haitian” or “Negro” can be used in addition to “Black or African American.”
Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands.
White. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.
This is government statistical stuff....you're obviously not very educated.
In other words & based on Yanklands racial groups.

- this is how a Pacific Islander looks like ;-)
h.ttp://is.gd/ND8a8C

- this how a white person looks like?!
h.ttp://youtu.be/bIW2nuWYgX8

How 'bout 'other'?! ;-D
UruEuWauWau

São Luiz, Brazil

#265 Apr 21, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
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mariah carey can actually be considered latino/hispanic, but she's a black hispanic because her father is a black hispanic from venezuela, so you're saying that she doesn't "look" her enthicity which is bogus.
Nah, she can't, she ain't, & she'll never be, simply cause her Venezuelan old man back home is considered 'zambo', & often 'dark mestizo'. ;-D Yank P.M.Thomas (who's darker) belongs to the same racial group of Mariah's old man, which is mixed. ;-)
UruEuWauWau

São Luiz, Brazil

#266 Apr 21, 2013
Redefined wrote:
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Arabs actually have Sub-Saharan Ancestry. I will agree tho Arabs are more Caucasian because some are extremely hairy like them which usually isn't a dominate African or Asian trait.
Some Arabs do have an African admixture, most, however, dun. ;-)
UruEuWauWau

São Luiz, Brazil

#267 Apr 21, 2013
BROWNMAN20 wrote:
Mariah Carey's grandmother is African American from Alabama...
Her paternal grandfather is venezuelean, he looked tri-racial mixed, and she said his mother was venezuelean, her great grandmother. Im not sure if his parents had her grandfather here, but he changed his last name to Carey to blend in, but this is back in the day, so Im sure he may have identified with the black community, he married her black grandmother :...
However, in Venezuela her old man was/is considered 'mixed' & 'zambo'. ;-D 'Zamboes' in Venezuela are a relative majority compared to mulattoes, but not mestizoes. ;-)
UruEuWauWau

São Luiz, Brazil

#268 Apr 21, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
Both have a great portion of negro admixture. But the Puerto Ricans are more Taino and white, while the Dominicans are more black and white.
Boricuas have it less than 25%, while Dominicans have it approx. 40% or a bit less, & it's an average based on a limited sample. ;-D Yank Blacks/IViggers are above 60% on average.

“Maya Maya ”

Level 5

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#269 Apr 21, 2013
UruEuWauWau wrote:
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Some Arabs do have an African admixture, most, however, dun. ;-)
guddeh moorgeh mai guder :)
UruEuWauWau

São Luiz, Brazil

#270 Apr 21, 2013
BROWNMAN20 wrote:
The Puerto Rico they Don't Show You
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It's irrelevant, we Latin peeps travel a lot & know how PR looks in reality. Overwhelming majority of Boricuas are white or mixed yet lookin' white, just like overwhelming majority of us BRA peeps are mixed, w/ big 'pure' groups on all sides, period. ;-)
Trouble

Brooklyn, NY

#271 Apr 21, 2013
Genevieve11 wrote:
so no one has been able to give me a straight answer yet on why PRs/Dominicans aren't black in america....
Here's another one of the main reasons they're not considered black in America: When a Hispanic man commits a crime, and the police ask people for a description, the choices are usually white, black, or hispanic/Latino. If someone tells the police "the criminal was a hispanic/latino male", how many times have you heard cops say, "be specific, Latino is not a race", i'll bet zero. nor do they say, "was it a black hispanic"- Once they hear, "Hispanic" or "Latino", they have the image in their head of a mestizo looking person, a non-black.. they ask no more questions. When cops give out a description of a suspect, black is always differentiated from Latino. They will either say: black male, light skin black male, dark skin black male.
Or: Hispanic, dark skin hispanic, light skin hispanic..etc. And when police say Hispanic, how many people question them asking "what kind of Latino was he?", black? Once they say Latino they already know that means non-black.

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