Django Unchained

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#66 Dec 29, 2012
IkeLike wrote:
I'll bet if Spike Lee made a documentary about Nat Turner, only a few Black people would show up to see it. Black people you need to get your priorities in order.
I'll just throw in my perspective here, as I feel it is warranted.

Personally, Ike, the reason why I went to see the film is because it was about a Black man conquering white people in an oppressive time period, and was done in a ruthless, masculine, unrepentant style that was actually entertaining and engaging.

You asked if Black people are so hard up for Black heroes that we will go support anyone who depicts us as such. For starters, Red Tails was about depicting Black people as heroes, and that movie was also directed by a White man, but I didn't go see it and didn't plan on going to go see it.

I just didn't and don't see that movie as being entertaining, nor any of the characters likable.

I definitely don't see how a movie like Django could get people upset or think there was some type of "alterior motive". It was not promoted the way Red Tails was, in that, "Well, we're finally putting a movie out showing Blacks as the heroes, so you Blacks should show your gratitude by supporting it, otherwise, there will be no reason for us to make anymore films like it" type of nonsense.

Django was just a good movie, plain and simple.

You're probably right about Spike Lee, though. If he did put out a documentary about Nat Turner, I would probably not go and see it, not because I don't support Black made films, but because I don't think it would be very engaging or joyful to watch.

I'm not really all that fond of most of Spike's movies. As someone has pointed out, he is an "average" director at being. He has talent of course, but the way he directs his films can sometimes be disengaging and too drawn out. Like I said, I've looked at some of his movies and thought to myself, "Do I really care what happens to these people?".

Malcolm X and Inside Job were his best. I didn't even like Miracle at Saint Anna's. I tried watching it, but I found it super boring and hard to watch, so I stopped like a third of the way into the film.

And that movie actually had the potential to be really good.

It's not just about the subject matter or the director being Black; it's about how the story is told. If it is not told in an engaging way, in a way where you actually give a damn about the characters and are enticed by the plot, then it will not keep my attention.

I would love nothing more than to see Black filmmakers making movies about us telling our story, but sadly, too many are not up for it. I read Black history all the time, there are literally thousands of stories about Black people that could be told, but I don't see any. Where are the movies about the Maroon warrings of Jamiaca, where they kept breaking the backs off of the British? Where is the movie about the Haitian Revolution? Where is a movie about the African-European battles in Africa prior to colonialism where there were myriad of battle that Blacks put their feet up Euro-ass?

What about the Kingdoms? What about the Conquests? What about even the Black presence in foreign lands like India, Persia, Greece, Rome, Spain etc?

There are many many stories about us that Black people could be telling but aren't.

To me, Django is the closest representation of this so far. I'm just wondering why it took a white man to do it and not a Black man.

The Book of Eli was a close second, as the beginning to the middle part was superb, but for me, the movie started to lose some of its momentum drawing towards the end, whereas Django kept its momentum throughout the film, building up steadily throughout.

So in essence, it's not just about there being a Black hero, it is like all other movies in that it depends on the story and how the story is told.

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#67 Dec 29, 2012
DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
well red tails was directed by a bm. i have to say i was very disappointed in that movie. but on the other hand glory was the best aa themed movies i've ever seen.
I haven't seen Glory, but I would be apt to check it out if I get the chance.
DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
now there are some really good black directors. precious and training day had aa directors. and i like just bout everything the hughes bros put out.
Training day was pretty good, but the Book of Eli was their best, in my opinion.
DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
imo, spike lee is just an ok director. john singleton has had some hits and misses. one of his biggest misses imo was rosewood.
Yea, I agree. Rosewood could have definitely have been a lot better than it was. In my opinion, Singleton is a better director than Spike, or at least his movies are, although both are very talented.
DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
this is why i wonder if an aa can make a powerful movie that tells the aa story.
i haven't seen django, but every aa i've talked to says it's off the chain -'the blackest movie theyve ever seen'.
a wm producing and directing 'the blackest movie theyve ever seen'.
spike lee might wanna think on that for a minute.
It shouldn't be just about Spike Lee though.

I mean, do you have any idea just how many White directors there are in the US that consistently make Hollywood grade films?

How come, for us, it is only ever two that get mentioned?(With the slight exception of the Hughes Brothers - who are mixed by the way)

There should be way more than that. You have all these Black people acting, but no directors or producers? Something funny about that.

Level 8

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#68 Dec 29, 2012
Bakari Neferu wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll just throw in my perspective here, as I feel it is warranted.
Personally, Ike, the reason why I went to see the film is because it was about a Black man conquering white people in an oppressive time period, and was done in a ruthless, masculine, unrepentant style that was actually entertaining and engaging.
You asked if Black people are so hard up for Black heroes that we will go support anyone who depicts us as such. For starters, Red Tails was about depicting Black people as heroes, and that movie was also directed by a White man, but I didn't go see it and didn't plan on going to go see it.
I just didn't and don't see that movie as being entertaining, nor any of the characters likable.
I definitely don't see how a movie like Django could get people upset or think there was some type of "alterior motive". It was not promoted the way Red Tails was, in that, "Well, we're finally putting a movie out showing Blacks as the heroes, so you Blacks should show your gratitude by supporting it, otherwise, there will be no reason for us to make anymore films like it" type of nonsense.
Django was just a good movie, plain and simple.
You're probably right about Spike Lee, though. If he did put out a documentary about Nat Turner, I would probably not go and see it, not because I don't support Black made films, but because I don't think it would be very engaging or joyful to watch.
I'm not really all that fond of most of Spike's movies. As someone has pointed out, he is an "average" director at being. He has talent of course, but the way he directs his films can sometimes be disengaging and too drawn out. Like I said, I've looked at some of his movies and thought to myself, "Do I really care what happens to these people?".
Malcolm X and Inside Job were his best. I didn't even like Miracle at Saint Anna's. I tried watching it, but I found it super boring and hard to watch, so I stopped like a third of the way into the film.
And that movie actually had the potential to be really good.
It's not just about the subject matter or the director being Black; it's about how the story is told. If it is not told in an engaging way, in a way where you actually give a damn about the characters and are enticed by the plot, then it will not keep my attention.
I would love nothing more than to see Black filmmakers making movies about us telling our story, but sadly, too many are not up for it. I read Black history all the time, there are literally thousands of stories about Black people that could be told, but I don't see any. Where are the movies about the Maroon warrings of Jamiaca, where they kept breaking the backs off of the British? Where is the movie about the Haitian Revolution? Where is a movie about the African-European battles in Africa prior to colonialism where there were myriad of battle that Blacks put their feet up Euro-ass?
What about the Kingdoms? What about the Conquests? What about even the Black presence in foreign lands like India, Persia, Greece, Rome, Spain etc?
There are many many stories about us that Black people could be telling but aren't.
To me, Django is the closest representation of this so far. I'm just wondering why it took a white man to do it and not a Black man.
The Book of Eli was a close second, as the beginning to the middle part was superb, but for me, the movie started to lose some of its momentum drawing towards the end, whereas Django kept its momentum throughout the film, building up steadily throughout.
So in essence, it's not just about there being a Black hero, it is like all other movies in that it depends on the story and how the story is told.
i very much agree with this post, with one correction. red tails was produced by a wm, the director Anthony Hemingway, is aa.

red tails was boring. rosewood was corny. malcolm x was ok, but spike in general is mediocre. the best aa themed movie i ever saw was glory, but again directed by a wm.

Jahx
Level 8

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#69 Dec 29, 2012
dkanela wrote:
Yes I saw it, and I walked out of the theatre, people who truly understand slavery and the consequences of it will be made sick to their stomachs.
We must remember the suffer of our people because it's happening even today. Of course it wasn't pretty, cute or funny. IT WAS OUR THE REALITY!!!
Masud_S_Hoghughi __

London, UK

#70 Dec 29, 2012
....I don't like seeing negrows in films anyway.......

“No Substitute For The Truth”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#71 Dec 29, 2012
All History movies depicting Black-White together are movies were Black-White are enemies. The theme is TIRED & PREDICTABLE. We need a new theme, a theme explaining why is there so much hostility toward Blacks?? Why did/do whites slander BP & commit such atrocious acts against BP?? I've always wanted to know this. Anyone who has viewed Jim Crow website will see that the relationship between Black-White is much deeper than slavery & it's actually personal!

Level 8

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#72 Dec 29, 2012
Bakari Neferu wrote:
<quoted text>
I haven't seen Glory, but I would be apt to check it out if I get the chance.
<quoted text>
Training day was pretty good, but the Book of Eli was their best, in my opinion.
<quoted text>
Yea, I agree. Rosewood could have definitely have been a lot better than it was. In my opinion, Singleton is a better director than Spike, or at least his movies are, although both are very talented.
<quoted text>
It shouldn't be just about Spike Lee though.
I mean, do you have any idea just how many White directors there are in the US that consistently make Hollywood grade films?
How come, for us, it is only ever two that get mentioned?(With the slight exception of the Hughes Brothers - who are mixed by the way)
There should be way more than that. You have all these Black people acting, but no directors or producers? Something funny about that.
what i find interesting is that aa are capable of making excellent movies. except when it comes to telling their own story. and you can be sure no aa director would have the kahunas to create the image of a bm going buckwild on yt. but we can kill each other in film, rap lyrics, and in real life, all day long.

“No Substitute For The Truth”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#73 Dec 29, 2012
Jamie Foxx killing a few white slave masters touches on the oppression all slaves feel. Anyone who is a slave will hate their slave masters BUT what we don't see is the reason for white hatred. This is what Hollywood IGNORES & this what we today still do NOT understand!

Jahx
Level 8

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#74 Dec 29, 2012
Redefined wrote:
Jamie Foxx killing a few white slave masters touches on the oppression all slaves feel. Anyone who is a slave will hate their slave masters BUT what we don't see is the reason for white hatred. This is what Hollywood IGNORES & this what we today still do NOT understand!
There's nothing to understand, it's show business!

Level 7

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#75 Dec 29, 2012
Masud_S_Hoghughi__ wrote:
....I don't like seeing negrows in films anyway.......
Then hide your eyes.

“No Substitute For The Truth”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#76 Dec 29, 2012
Jahx wrote:
<quoted text>
There's nothing to understand, it's show business!
It is something to understand. If it wasn't than we wouldn't have Black-White PPL slanging insults at each other.

Level 3

Since: Nov 12

Memphis, TN

#77 Dec 29, 2012
IkeLike wrote:
I will NOT be spending any money to watch this film. I would much rather do what so many people these days don't do anymore and that is read some damn books.
Baby Baby ARE you single? You are like a DREAM. They don't make em like you anymore! I have been reading your posts, and you are a very INTELLIGENT black man.:-)

Level 3

Since: Nov 12

Memphis, TN

#78 Dec 29, 2012
Redefined wrote:
All History movies depicting Black-White together are movies were Black-White are enemies. The theme is TIRED & PREDICTABLE. We need a new theme, a theme explaining why is there so much hostility toward Blacks?? Why did/do whites slander BP & commit such atrocious acts against BP?? I've always wanted to know this. Anyone who has viewed Jim Crow website will see that the relationship between Black-White is much deeper than slavery & it's actually personal!
You need to read Dr. Frances Cress Welsing's book. "The Isis Papers" that should answer your question.
Masud_S_Hoghughi __

London, UK

#79 Dec 29, 2012
DerekJ wrote:
<quoted text>
Then hide your eyes.
.....films nowadays usually include at least one token nicca to b pc.........

......and all the police dramas - all of them r full of niccuz........Y?.........

“No Substitute For The Truth”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#80 Dec 29, 2012
sweetgirl102 wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to read Dr. Frances Cress Welsing's book. "The Isis Papers" that should answer your question.
Thank You! I will check the book out.

Level 3

Since: Nov 12

Memphis, TN

#81 Dec 29, 2012
Redefined wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank You! I will check the book out.
Your Welcome! You'll be blown away by what's in the book!

“Cool Like That”

Level 5

Since: May 08

Everywhere

#82 Dec 29, 2012
sweetgirl102 wrote:
<quoted text>
Baby Baby ARE you single? You are like a DREAM. They don't make em like you anymore! I have been reading your posts, and you are a very INTELLIGENT black man.:-)
Thank you, and yes I am single.

“Cool Like That”

Level 5

Since: May 08

Everywhere

#83 Dec 29, 2012
My guess is that many Black people are responding to this movie favorably because it depicts the kind of revenge that many Black people would like to see against those that kept Blacks in bondage as slaves.

Seeing Blacks empowered and fighting back during slavery time in a movie would have a cathartic effect on most Black people. I get that, and I understand that.

However, my concern is that some Blacks are praising Django Unchained simply because it is appealing to their emotional desires as oppose to appealing to their intellect.

I'm sure it is an entertaining film for people who like action, violence, etc. However, sometimes Hollywood films that are "entertaining" are not necessarily good for the mind or the soul, particularly when subject matters such as slavery are addressed.

Junk food taste good, but as we all know it is not good for us. So too are some movies "entertaining," but if you analyze them further in detail you may find that you are consuming junk food for the mind.

Even if you go see the movie and/or you like it, don't be so quick to dismiss those who criticize it, because they may have a valid point too.

Level 3

Since: Nov 12

Memphis, TN

#84 Dec 29, 2012
IkeLike wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you, and yes I am single.
*Takes DEEP breath* OMGGGG! so lovely!:-))))))
Silver Lining

Washington, DC

#86 Dec 29, 2012
Well in any case, what leap frogs the importance of such a trivial movie is the dialog we blacks have on the merits of such movies. Open dialog that challenges the worth of stories being told about us.

Like Siskel and Ebert we show here in this thread that our differing views reflect black men who are thinking before exposing themselves to such media forms.

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