Why do American Blacks think they're ...
Jaxn6

Tucker, GA

#2088 Feb 6, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
CURIOUS ME says
" i can show you the anthropological study that shows that the basic genetic profile of North
Africa has not changed since before the late Holocene Period. "
Q1.did the proto egyptians look like this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Huni-Statue...
YES or NO
Q2. is this man an ancient egyptian
YES or NO
I think that if an Egyptian can carve a statue of a dog or cat, then they can carve one of a slave.
Barros Serrano

United States

#2090 Feb 6, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
<quoted text>
Those are so called modern day Egyptians, loony. Not Ancient ones, and it's from a eurocentric website.
Supposedly these people are predominantly "caucasian", yet they look predominantly Negro.
http://www.humanphenotypes.com/SouthSaharid.h...
You have no idea what they would have looked like.
<quoted text>
More eurocentric garbage.
What the hell are you referring to when you claim the so called "Caucasian" features dominate?
http://billygambelaafroasiaticanthropology.fi...
http://i-cias.com/e.o/ill/nubian.jpg
http://thevelvetrocket.files.wordpress.com/20...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6lZR7-F2NDw/TgTzMg5...
http://iloapp.daisukebike.be/blog/blog...
http://img3.photographersdirect.com/img/20863...
They seem to have mostly Negro features to me.
<quoted text>
Yes you are.
She was clearly talking about Southern Egyptians, not Delta inhabitants, of which would have looked closer to Nubians than pale Libyans, like that other picture I showed you from your own site.
In any case, I'm still scratching my head at those so called "predominantly Caucasian" features.
lol....
This is why I don't like the term “Caucasian”. Northeast (L3) Africans are the parent population of Eurasians (OOA migrants). Therefore, logically, Eurasians being a subset of northeast Africans, they will have certain features in common.

Cladistically northeast Africans cannot be considered a subset of “Caucasians”, as in fact all Eurasians are a subset of northeast Africans.

Cladistically the term “black” is just as problematic. But,“who is black” is the obsession in here, we have to call Upper Egyptians “black”. Because of shared traits with “Caucasians”, we have to also call the Caucasians. These designations are fucking MEANINGLESS in any objective sense.

Since in the USA we're color-obsessed, we must fight through this. The Upper Egyptians obviously were peoples of northeast African affinities. That makes them “black” in the USA sense.

I would say, to avoid these problematic terms, that they were Africans, as opposed to Eurasians. There were Eurasians in Lower Egypt. People insist on calling them “white”---same problem, the category has no cladistic validity.

Ridiculous Afrocentrics, mostly Yanks, claiming Egypt was 100%“black”, there were no “whites” there, are talking nonsense. Eurocentrics claiming Egyptians were NOT black, are likewise talking nonsense.

And I repeat, this myth that “modern Egyptians” all look like “Arabs” is also false. The people of Aswan, in the USA, would be called “black”.

I've known Egyptians from Alexandria who looked like Greeks, and others from Cairo and elsewhere who look like they're mixed Mideastern-black.

I've seen black-and-white (ha!) films of old archaeological digs where the white English archaeologists are supervising diggers who are unmistakeably “black”.

Our “racial” categories are bogus. But living with the cultural legacy of racism and imperialism, in the popular discourse we are stuck with them. And so it is of utmost importance to most that we decide whether Egypt was “black” or “white”. LOL...

F'ing madness.

Take for example, a well-known Somali, the anti-Islamic activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Is she "black" or "Caucasian"? OMG she has a long narrow nose and long face! Yet she's colored "black" and has nappy hair! We could have a thread on this with 10,000 posts and it would go around in circles endlessly.

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#2092 Feb 6, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
This is why I don't like the term “Caucasian”. Northeast (L3) Africans are the parent population of Eurasians (OOA migrants). Therefore, logically, Eurasians being a subset of northeast Africans, they will have certain features in common.
Cladistically northeast Africans cannot be considered a subset of “Caucasians”, as in fact all Eurasians are a subset of northeast Africans.
Barros Barrrrros Baaarrrrrros.

I don't care and I'm still right.

It's not as if there is no genetic reason for the classification of Caucasoid, Negroïd, or Mongoloid.

'L3'mtDNA is ~probably~ not what anthropologists would refer to as Negroïd but neither could it be classified as Caucasoid.

Do you actually 'think' for one tiny moment that I would give a dámned about what the general consensus would be in America concerning who's supposedly 'White' and who's supposedly 'Black'?

I don't even ascribe to such terminology and neither should anyone else.

The thing is that it's not all just 'cut-n-dry', one thing or another, in or out, black or white.

Sometimes it's both, and then sometimes it's a more nebulous transition between this, that, and quite possibly even something else all together different.

Some anthropological reports have actually gone so far as to classify the Aethiopid as transitional and therefore somewhere between one thing and another.

One thing for sure is that they will always be just exactly what they are and that is not "White", but if they are strictly and only ((('E-78'Y-Hg +'L3'mtDNA)))

then neither are they Negro...

they'd probably have chocolate brown skin but they would not be Negroïd.

The interesting thing about the 'E-M78'Y-Hg is that it coalesced in North Africa about 18kya and, when it did, it was absent the 'E-M35'Y-Hg female partner which would have been the 'L3'mtDNA.

The Egyptian 'E-M78'Y-Hg was evolving in Egypt for at least 10 to 12 thousand years('til 6 to 8 kya) while mixing only with the North African Caucasian/Eurasian mtDNA.

THEN and ONLY then did it begin to move southward and as it did it probably did also begin to revert to a less Caucasoid classification but not entirely because autosomal Caucasoid DNA would still remain in place.

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#2093 Feb 6, 2013
Curious Me wrote:
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Well, sweetheart, even though you either are Negro or just consider yourself Negro does not in any way me that any of the original Egyptians were Negro.
The average ancient Egyptian was much more like the following genotype:
http://www.humanphenotypes.com/Aegyptid.html
...although there were Egyptians of a wide spread spectrum of complexions, from very pale Caucasian to 'Black' Aethiopic,
But regardless of whatever YOU might actually be or whatever you've decided to consider yourself to be,
the fact is that the North Aethiopid...
http://www.humanphenotypes.com/NorthAethiopid...
...was considered to be "mostly Caucasoid",
and even the Nubian...
http://www.humanphenotypes.com/Nubian.html
...has "Caucasoid elements that tend to dominate".
It would be a lie to say that the ancient Egyptians were not genetically influenced by Libyan Berbers,
and the ancient Egyptians depicted the ancient Libyan Berbers as a pale skinned Caucasoid Peoples...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v507/chavez...
...and the average Berberid genotype is as follows:
http://www.humanphenotypes.com/Berberid.html
...so, please don't 'think' that you can come on here and pretend to 'tell-us-off' just because your Egyptian.
We're just NOT as slow-witted as your Afro-Centrist buddies.
sweet heart caucasiod are found in somali and ethiopia eritrea egypt, all of which are related and happen to speak the same kushitic languages. being black does not mean you have to have a wide nose and coarse hair.

The ancient egyptians were not just caucausion but black as well.
Im not an afro centrist, in egypt its something we try not talk about because it does not matter.
if you look at the peoples in the surrounding area the ancient egyptians mostly looked just like them.

Their skin color was similar to the khosians of south adrica, a redish brown to a tan color.

The ancient egyptian depict themselves with braided hair tan skin and they had kushitic languages.

The whole caucasion amd human classifactions were made by scientist were trying to seperate humans.

They weren't anglo saxin or european , i would say they had an ethnic look to them.

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab26/Blast...

[IMG]http://i846.photobucket.c om/albums/ab26/BlastThatBoomBo x/keri_deluxe0.jpg[/IMG]

To me egyptian looked like that tan skin

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#2094 Feb 6, 2013
Curious Me wrote:
<quoted text>
Finally, THIS, is exactly WHY YOU ARE SO VERY FULL OF SHÍT.
First of all, the title of this thread is NOT:
'Why do American Blacks think Egyptians are Black?'
No, stúpid, THAT was NOT the question,
not that I really care about the promisingly nebulous answer, but
the title of this thread is:
"Why do American Blacks think (((THEY'RE))) Egyptians?
•••
The only rational answer to THAT question should obviously be that ::THEY ARE STÚPID IF THEY DO::
•••
Here in the following link is an ancient Egyptian depiction of what ancient Egyptians themselves considered to be the AVERAGE phenotypical appearance of some of the different 'players' in the North African scene:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v507/chavez...
In that portrayal, the Egyptian is portrayed as one single caricature on the extreme right.
The Nubian is characterized as the caricature that is 3rd to the right.
The Nubian is profoundly Black, according to that ancient Egyptian portrayal, but the Egyptian is NOT, and, also, guess what the ancient Egyptians thought the average Libyan Berber looked like.
•••
In TRUTH, there was absolutely NO single phenotype that could faithfully depict all Egyptians.
King "Rameses II" had his mummy scientifically examined and was found to be overwhelmingly Caucasian but some(not all) of his depictions(the sculpted ones) were shaped not to actually look like himself but to represent a figure that was meant to also bring the subject Nubians into the 'fold'.
Some Egyptians were as Black as the Nubians that they depicted, and some again were as pale as the Libyan Berbers or Eurasian Syriacs that they depicted.
EGYPT was a newly urban coming 'together' of possibly many Peoples and their composite expertise is at least part of what helped Egypt attain such a well known level of contemporary advancement.
•••
Were all Egyptians accurately depicted by that one single caricature?
::OF COURSE NOT::
i understand what you are saying but most blacks are the color black...
most of them are brown or high yellow.

The egyptians and the nubians did not get along.
They depicted them as dark and ugly but thats mostly because they did not like them lol...

in california where i live the blacks are more brown skin curly hair alot of them are yellow or light skin.

a black person, like dark skin will definitely stand out. technically african americans are mixed.african americans range from 18 to 60 percent caucasion.

So their geneticans can resemble an egyptian which is why they claim them as black.

A persons definition of black varies from experience and what they see as black.

The ancient egyptians did not consider them selves to be dark skin.

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#2095 Feb 6, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
This is why I don't like the term “Caucasian”. Northeast (L3) Africans are the parent population of Eurasians (OOA migrants). Therefore, logically, Eurasians being a subset of northeast Africans, they will have certain features in common.
Cladistically northeast Africans cannot be considered a subset of “Caucasians”, as in fact all Eurasians are a subset of northeast Africans.
Cladistically the term “black” is just as problematic. But,“who is black” is the obsession in here, we have to call Upper Egyptians “black”. Because of shared traits with “Caucasians”, we have to also call the Caucasians. These designations are fucking MEANINGLESS in any objective sense.
Since in the USA we're color-obsessed, we must fight through this. The Upper Egyptians obviously were peoples of northeast African affinities. That makes them “black” in the USA sense.
I would say, to avoid these problematic terms, that they were Africans, as opposed to Eurasians. There were Eurasians in Lower Egypt. People insist on calling them “white”---same problem, the category has no cladistic validity.
Ridiculous Afrocentrics, mostly Yanks, claiming Egypt was 100%“black”, there were no “whites” there, are talking nonsense. Eurocentrics claiming Egyptians were NOT black, are likewise talking nonsense.
And I repeat, this myth that “modern Egyptians” all look like “Arabs” is also false. The people of Aswan, in the USA, would be called “black”.
I've known Egyptians from Alexandria who looked like Greeks, and others from Cairo and elsewhere who look like they're mixed Mideastern-black.
I've seen black-and-white (ha!) films of old archaeological digs where the white English archaeologists are supervising diggers who are unmistakeably “black”.
Our “racial” categories are bogus. But living with the cultural legacy of racism and imperialism, in the popular discourse we are stuck with them. And so it is of utmost importance to most that we decide whether Egypt was “black” or “white”. LOL...
F'ing madness.
Take for example, a well-known Somali, the anti-Islamic activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Is she "black" or "Caucasian"? OMG she has a long narrow nose and long face! Yet she's colored "black" and has nappy hair! We could have a thread on this with 10,000 posts and it would go around in circles endlessly.
OMG! Barros? Your still alive just my luck, huh looks like I'll have to pray a lil harder for now on (O.0)
trollslayer

Munster, IN

#2096 Feb 6, 2013
It's been proven by scholars, the Egypt has it's beginnings from Nubia south and spread north.

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#2097 Feb 7, 2013
leahisadoll wrote:
<quoted text>
i understand what you are saying but most blacks are the color black...
most of them are brown or high yellow.
The egyptians and the nubians did not get along.
They depicted them as dark and ugly but thats mostly because they did not like them lol...
in california where i live the blacks are more brown skin curly hair alot of them are yellow or light skin.
a black person, like dark skin will definitely stand out. technically african americans are mixed.african americans range from 18 to 60 percent caucasion.
So their geneticans can resemble an egyptian which is why they claim them as black.
A persons definition of black varies from experience and what they see as black.
The ancient egyptians did not consider them selves to be dark skin.
Oh honey baby darlin' sugar pie,

African-Americans are not even that closely related to ancient Nubians.

“DANGER!!”

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#2098 Feb 7, 2013
leahisadoll wrote:
<quoted text>
im from egypt, my fam is mostly of the ababda peoples, we consider ourselves african american or black.
Egypt, Eritre ethiopia and somali all have people who speak kushitic languages, kushitic peoples are black.
the confusion lies in egypt because egypt is not just white or black its both.
Some african americans refer to egyptians because some of them do look like they are from egypt
keri Hilson looks like an ancient egyptian.
Remember the the empire started in the south part of egypt which is now home to the beja and ababda and other black groups of people.
...uh..the ancient Egyptian language was NOT Kushitic.

It was more closely related to the Berberid Imazighen language.
pn2cladelover

Netherlands

#2099 Feb 7, 2013
CURIOUS ME

Q1.did the ancient egyptians look like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Huni-Statue...

YES or NO

Q2. is this man an ancient egyptian

YES or NO
pn2cladelover

Netherlands

#2100 Feb 7, 2013
you know the truth curious me, thats why you wont answer the question
typical eurocentric coward
trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#2101 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
CURIOUS ME
Q1.did the ancient egyptians look like this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Huni-Statue...
YES or NO
Q2. is this man an ancient egyptian
YES or NO
Y' that's one of those "euroasians"....righ t...lol
pn2cladelover

Netherlands

#2102 Feb 7, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Y' that's one of those "euroasians"....righ t...lol
lol, he wont reply
trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#2103 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
<quoted text>
lol, he wont reply
Menes says 'don't leave me out'....lol

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images...
Barros Serrano

United States

#2104 Feb 7, 2013
Yet, you Afro-whitey Yanks have nothing to do with Egypt. But you hate yourselves so intensely, due to heavily inculcated white racism, that you don't dare identify with anyone from West Africa to whom you're in reality related... no no no... you're Hebrew Berber Greek Phoenician Viking Chinese Olmecs!!!

Piss off, wankers.
trollslayer

Midlothian, IL

#2105 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
CURIOUS ME
Q1.did the ancient egyptians look like this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Huni-Statue...
YES or NO
Q2. is this man an ancient egyptian
YES or NO
bump..........Q2. is this man an ancient egyptian
YES or NO

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images...

......is this man an ancient egyptian YES or NO

“Africa”

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Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#2106 Feb 7, 2013
Curious Me wrote:
Barros Barrrrros Baaarrrrrros.

I don't care and I'm still right.
You are a eurocentrist. This automatically dictates that you are not right.
Curious Me wrote:
Some anthropological reports have actually gone so far as to classify the Aethiopid as transitional and therefore somewhere between one thing and another.
One thing for sure is that they will always be just exactly what they are and that is not "White", but if they are strictly and only ((('E-78'Y-Hg +'L3'mtDNA)))
then neither are they Negro...
they'd probably have chocolate brown skin but they would not be Negroïd.
So in other words, they'd be Black, but they wouldn't be Black.
Curious Me wrote:
The interesting thing about the 'E-M78'Y-Hg is that it coalesced in North Africa about 18kya and, when it did, it was absent the 'E-M35'Y-Hg female partner which would have been the 'L3'mtDNA.
The Egyptian 'E-M78'Y-Hg was evolving in Egypt for at least 10 to 12 thousand years('til 6 to 8 kya) while mixing only with the North African Caucasian/Eurasian mtDNA.
What's interesting is E78 has twice the frequency among Southern Egyptians than it does for Northerners. You know those southern Egyptians that would have been descendants of Black Saharans and other peoples of the interior?

What's even more interesting is that E78 has an outstanding frequency rate among people who look like this:

Fur people:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_P6bgLo1z_aw/SqX5wjm...
http://www.joshuaproject.net/profiles/photos/...
http://s1.hubimg.com/u/7215548_f520.jpg

>>>Caucasoid?

Masalit people

http://www.joshuaproject.net/profiles/photos/...
http://www.unreachedoftheday.org/profiles/pho...
http://ic2.pbase.com/g1/84/808184/2/108378589...
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2762/4339339445...

That don't look like no Caucasoid to me.

It's amusing watching you try to sound intelligible about subjects you haven't the slightest clue about.
jumpstart

Berkeley Heights, NJ

#2108 Feb 7, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a eurocentrist. This automatically dictates that you are not right.
<quoted text>
So in other words, they'd be Black, but they wouldn't be Black.
<quoted text>
What's interesting is E78 has twice the frequency among Southern Egyptians than it does for Northerners. You know those southern Egyptians that would have been descendants of Black Saharans and other peoples of the interior?
What's even more interesting is that E78 has an outstanding frequency rate among people who look like this:
Fur people:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_P6bgLo1z_aw/SqX5wjm...
http://www.joshuaproject.net/profiles/photos/...
http://s1.hubimg.com/u/7215548_f520.jpg
>>>Caucasoid?
Masalit people
http://www.joshuaproject.net/profiles/photos/...
http://www.unreachedoftheday.org/profiles/pho...
http://ic2.pbase.com/g1/84/808184/2/108378589...
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2762/4339339445...
That don't look like no Caucasoid to me.
It's amusing watching you try to sound intelligible about subjects you haven't the slightest clue about.
these pe you can click on an Ethiopian family a click on the aroma people are the other people that they having you will see people that do not look like all you feel pins their of you can click on an Ethiopian family a click on the aroma people are the other people that they having you will see people that do not look like all you feel pins their official text in Africa and if people that look a lot like African American 2 year was the attention to do divide those people too they decide who they want to be white and make it how they wanted to be stressed so that they come out right all the time it's so pathetic

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#2109 Feb 8, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a eurocentrist. This automatically dictates that you are not right.
<quoted text>
So in other words, they'd be Black, but they wouldn't be Black.
<quoted text>
What's interesting is E78 has twice the frequency among Southern Egyptians than it does for Northerners. You know those southern Egyptians that would have been descendants of Black Saharans and other peoples of the interior?
What's even more interesting is that E78 has an outstanding frequency rate among people who look like this:
Fur people:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_P6bgLo1z_aw/SqX5wjm...
http://www.joshuaproject.net/profiles/photos/...
http://s1.hubimg.com/u/7215548_f520.jpg
>>>Caucasoid?
Masalit people
http://www.joshuaproject.net/profiles/photos/...
http://www.unreachedoftheday.org/profiles/pho...
http://ic2.pbase.com/g1/84/808184/2/108378589...
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2762/4339339445...
That don't look like no Caucasoid to me.
It's amusing watching you try to sound intelligible about subjects you haven't the slightest clue about.
HAH!

Dude, that's more of an emotional plea than a logical statement.

I COULD go digging up lots of photos of REALLY dark People that are part Arab as well, and, hell, they might even be called Arab as well but it it wouldn't mean anything

Yeah, we know it's a scientific FACT that 'E-M78'Y-Hg BACKmigrated into sub-Saharan Africa,

and in sub-Saharan Africa they would have mixed solely with sub-Saharan Africans.

Why would anyone expect them to look anything different than the people with whom they had mixed.

Why would my holding this opinion make me seem to be a Euro-Centrist?

What I say has nothing to do with Europe.

Heck, the 'R1b1c'Y-Hg People of Central Africa HAVE been sub-Saharan Africa for so long that they really ARE Negroïd now, there's no argument there, but most things come by degrees.

As you must know by now, I don't really approve of the terms, "Black or White".

I, instead, favor Cauacsian and Negroïd, but even using those terms doesn't properly explain the Peoples that I am referencing.

If, to me, neither the San or Khoikhoi are Negroïd, then why should I consider the original 'E-M78'Y-Hg Peoples as being Negroïd.

I don't consider the 'L3'mtDNA to be Negroïd either.

WHAT if anything does any of this have to do with Europe.

Caucasians do not solely exist in Europe.

Autochthanous North Africans, for instance, are overwhelmingly Caucasian and always have been.
pn2cladelover

Netherlands

#2110 Feb 8, 2013
CURIOUS ME

Q1.did the ancient egyptians look like this

YES or NO

Q2. is this man an ancient egyptian

YES or NO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Huni-Statue...

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