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Jan 20, 2013
 
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>Heres the thing, most of the wall paintings Iv looked at show different races. Tutt Art - the paintings and sculptures of ancient Egypt
You are an idiot, the images look like indignous people from the South of Egypt. I backed it up with science. You stupid repetitive Internet troll. Your Mathilda blog means shyt.

People from the South are endogamous and have a matrilocal culture.

Ramses II 19th Dyn Temple of Khnum Hankcock museum
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Standing figure of Tjetety Old Kingdom Dynasty 6 MFA museum
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Head and torso from a statuette of Nekhebu Old Kingdom, Dynasty 6
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Head from a statuette of Nekhebu Old Kingdom, Dynasty 6
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Head from a statuette of Nekhebu Old Kingdom, Dynasty 6
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Relief fragment from the tomb of Sennedjemib Inti. This fragment of finely-detailed, raised relief, depicts two registers of male offering bearers facing left. The top register has the lower half of one figure and the foot of the figure behind him facing left. The bottom register contains the upper half of one figure and the arm of the figure behind him carrying trays of offerings. Dynasty 6
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Relief fragment from tomb of Neferherenptah Old Kingdom Giza
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Relief fragment Old Kingdom MFA Museum
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Tomb Chapel of Raemkai Dynasty 5 Memphite Region, Met Museum
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Relief from tomb of Djehutyhotep II Dynasty 12, reigns of Senwosret II and III most of the paint remain MFA Museum
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Statuette of a Kushite ruler probably Taharqa Dynasty25
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Tomb of Khaemhat (Mahu) Overseer of teh granaries of Upper and Lower egypt under Amenhotep III Thebes (City of Amun)
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Cube Statue of Nefer-Sen, 19th Dynasty, Neues Museum
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Bust of a Man, early 26th Dynasty
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In lay of Face New Kingdom MFA
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The AE weren't black. LOL

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Jan 20, 2013
 
Almoravid wrote:
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Filthy rat, Homo Sapiens Sapiens are considered Anatomical modern Human. Modern man came directly from Africa.
And of course you has nothingelse to refute, you nazi trash!
Oh, yeah, dúmb áss!??

::JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW::

Neanderthal is part of most Eurasian's genetic make up and that's a good thing, FÓÓL.

It is also true that Heidelbergensis is part of most Western/Central sub-Saharan Africans.

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YOU are the racist garbage, certainly not me.

YOU'RE the ÍDIOT MÓRÓN for thinking that Western sub-Saharan Africans had anything to do with the technological development of Egypt.

YOU'RE also the ÍDIOT MÓRÓN who thinks that

['E-M2'Y-Hg +'L2'mtDNA]Nég®öïds

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['E-V12'+'U','V', and/or 'H' mtDNA].
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Jan 20, 2013
 
Almoravid wrote:
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You are an idiot, the images look like indignous people from the South of Egypt. I backed it up with science. You stupid repetitive Internet troll. Your Mathilda blog means shyt.
People from the South are endogamous and have a matrilocal culture.
Ramses II 19th Dyn Temple of Khnum Hankcock museum
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Standing figure of Tjetety Old Kingdom Dynasty 6 MFA museum
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Head and torso from a statuette of Nekhebu Old Kingdom, Dynasty 6
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Head from a statuette of Nekhebu Old Kingdom, Dynasty 6
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Head from a statuette of Nekhebu Old Kingdom, Dynasty 6
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Relief fragment from the tomb of Sennedjemib Inti. This fragment of finely-detailed, raised relief, depicts two registers of male offering bearers facing left. The top register has the lower half of one figure and the foot of the figure behind him facing left. The bottom register contains the upper half of one figure and the arm of the figure behind him carrying trays of offerings. Dynasty 6
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Relief fragment from tomb of Neferherenptah Old Kingdom Giza
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Relief fragment Old Kingdom MFA Museum
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Tomb Chapel of Raemkai Dynasty 5 Memphite Region, Met Museum
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Relief from tomb of Djehutyhotep II Dynasty 12, reigns of Senwosret II and III most of the paint remain MFA Museum
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Statuette of a Kushite ruler probably Taharqa Dynasty25
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Tomb of Khaemhat (Mahu) Overseer of teh granaries of Upper and Lower egypt under Amenhotep III Thebes (City of Amun)
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Cube Statue of Nefer-Sen, 19th Dynasty, Neues Museum
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
Bust of a Man, early 26th Dynasty
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
In lay of Face New Kingdom MFA
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm122/phot...
The AE weren't black. LOL
great work...do we what part of Egypt these images come from? Since there's always this debate about lower Egypt being "non-black".

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Jan 20, 2013
 
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Afro-Asiatic is linguistic phylum. Language is dynamic. The Fur and Masalit carry the basal clade of the E-M78 and they carry E-M78 in the highest frequency. The live more to the South and Southwest of Sudan, they look slightly different from each other.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
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YOU'RE AN ÍDIOT.

I only used the term, "Afro-Asian", because that is how my source chose to refer to them,

but, in context, that author was truly referring to the Lybo/Egypto Peoples of Lower Egypt.

He certainly, at least, was not referring to any particular language.

As an example, it was NOT meant in the same manner as when referencing Central sub-Saharan Afro-Asiatics who, although they are part SW Asian(R1b1), are overwhelmingly Nég®öïd mostly because of their Mitochondrial and total autosomal genetic make up.
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The real egyptains were and still is black. Just like the real hebrewa are. Get over it trolls.
Wrong, racist dog.

The Hebrews were Mideasterners, as they remain today. The Jews. You are not a Hebrew (nor a Moor, an Egyptian, Irish, Chinese, Choctaw, Olmec, etc.).

No, you're an Afro-whitey Yank with little culture left and an identity crisis and inferiority complex which render you a psychological mess and socially a misfit. A marginal irrelevant nutball... that's all you are, fool.

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Jan 20, 2013
 
Almoravid wrote:
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The Nubian Complex doesn't mean literally, the Nubian people as we know they now. SMH LOL
Shut up, DÚMB ÁSS, you were referencing remnants as old as 190kya.

Not even the 'A'Y-Hg existed at that time.

Your so-called 'points' are absurdly ~pointless~.
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Jan 20, 2013
 
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Correct,
"In Kenya the remains from Gamble’s Cave …have been interpreted as showing Caucasoid features. And possible archaeological affinities with the Mediterranean Capsian industries (Ferembach). As we have seen in previous chapters recent sub-Saharan Africans are cranially MORE GRACILE than Europeans and therefore fossil African specimens of greater size and robusticity have been traditionally considered non-African in character...Rightmire found that these East African remains as well as those from the sites as Willy Kopje, Nakuru and Makalia, cluster with one or other sub-Saharan population, and not with either Egyptians or San/Khoi…Similar results were obtained by Brauer (1978), and Rightmire has suggested that these fossils may represent Nilotic peoples… These findings are very important because they suggest that not only late Pleistocene to early Holocene remains like Gambles Cave and Elmenteita **should not** be interpreted as Caucasoid elements, but that the great levels of cranial variation observed today in sub-Saharan Africa were probably even greater in the late Pleistocene.” P. 283 The Evolution of Moderrn Human Diversity: A Study of Cranial Variation Mart Mirazon Lahr 1996
From the standpoint of African history the most important development of the late Stone Age was the emergence of more settled ('sedentary') societies. These probably developed first along the banks of the Upper Nile in the Cataracts region, in modern day southern Egypt and northern Sudan (ancient Nubia). Evidence of barley harvesting there dates from as early as 16,000 BCE. The ability to make greater use of abundant wild grains, probably coupled with greater exploitation of aquatic resources, led to a more settled existence for some people. These more sedentary peoples were a part of what is now known collectively as the African Aquatic Culture/ Tradition. This way of life spread from the Upper Nile into a much larger area of Africa during the last great wet phase of African climate history, which began about 9,000 and peaked about 7,000 BCE. The higher rainfall levels of the period created numerous very large shallow lakes across what are now the arid southern borderlands of the Sahara desert. Inhabitants of shore communities crafted microlithic tools to exploit a marine environment: fishing and trapping aquatic animals. This provided abundant food supplies, particularly high in protein and supported the earliest known permanent settlements. Culturally and linguistically related peoples ancestral to modern Black Africans established settlements throughout this vast, ancient great lakes area. It is theorized that they spoke the mother Nilo-Saharan tongue. Sophisticated water-related technologies supported not only the development of settled communities, but also the invention of things like pottery, which were formerly thought to be associated exclusively with the Food Production Revolution of the later New Stone Age, or Neolithic. While the African aquatic tradition itself lasted only until the beginning of the modern drier period, around 3,000 BCE, its legacy has been felt ever since.
--Basil Davidson, Africa in History (1975)
Given the Nilo-Saharan languages of so many peoples related to Upper Egyptians, itis obvious that the Kemetic language is intrusive, was brought into Egypt from elsewhere. That elsewhere would be logically the Mideast, the same place of origin of the Berber languages which entered Africa at about the same time.

Naturally with the languages came people, which explains part of the non-African ancestry of Lower Egypt in predynastic times, though Eurasians had been there even earlier than that, likely beginning about 30k bp.

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Wadi Kubbaniya (ca. 17,000–15,000 B.C.)
Although no signs of houses were found, diverse and sophisticated stone implements for hunting, fishing, and collecting and processing plants were discovered around hearths.
http://i45.tinypic.com/rw2bfk.jpg
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_wa...
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/wadi/hd_wadi...
In Egypt, the earliest evidence of humans can be recognized only from tools found scattered over an ancient surface, sometimes with hearths nearby. In Wadi Kubbaniya, a dried-up streambed cutting through the Western Desert to the floodplain northwest of Aswan in Upper Egypt, some interesting sites of the kind described above have been recorded. A cluster of Late Paleolithic camps was located in two different topographic zones: on the tops of dunes and the floor of the wadi (streambed) where it enters the valley. Although no signs of houses were found, diverse and sophisticated stone implements for hunting, fishing, and collecting and processing plants were discovered around hearths. Most tools were bladelets made from a local stone called chert that is widely used in tool fabrication. The bones of wild cattle, hartebeest, many types of fish and birds, as well as the occasional hippopotamus have been identified in the occupation layers. Charred remains of plants that the inhabitants consumed, especially tubers, have also been found.
It appears from the zoological and botanical remains at the various sites in this wadi that the two environmental zones were exploited at different times. We know that the dune sites were occupied when the Nile River flooded the wadi because large numbers of fish and migratory bird bones were found at this location. When the water receded, people then moved down onto the silt left behind on the wadi floor and the floodplain, probably following large animals that looked for water there in the dry season. Paleolithic peoples lived at Wadi Kubbaniya for about 2,000 years, exploiting the different environments as the seasons changed. Other ancient camps have been discovered along the Nile from Sudan to the Mediterranean, yielding similar tools and food remains. These sites demonstrate that the early inhabitants of the Nile valley and its nearby deserts had learned how to exploit local environments, developing economic strategies that were maintained in later cultural traditions of pharaonic Egypt.
Evidence of some archaeological dig dating back 17kya is hardly as important as the anthropological evidence of Mitochondrial DNA of Eurasian origin in North Africa since 30kya and is still robustly persistent to this day in North Africa.
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Curious Me wrote:
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Oh, yeah, dúmb áss!??
::JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW::
Neanderthal is part of most Eurasian's genetic make up and that's a good thing, FÓÓL.
It is also true that Heidelbergensis is part of most Western/Central sub-Saharan Africans.
•••
YOU are the racist garbage, certainly not me.
YOU'RE the ÍDIOT MÓRÓN for thinking that Western sub-Saharan Africans had anything to do with the technological development of Egypt.
YOU'RE also the ÍDIOT MÓRÓN who thinks that
['E-M2'Y-Hg +'L2'mtDNA]Nég®öïds
are the same as
['E-V12'+'U','V', and/or 'H' mtDNA].
First off, you have a history on here being a racist bigot. Long before I arrived here.

Nazi trash, you come here and speard lies about My Poeple, E-V68!

I don't care about not cold adapted wild Neanderthal who died out 40 Kya.

Homo Sapiens Sapiens is the predecessor of modern man who left Africa to expand. You have no argument, you are left for dog consumption. Your nonsense terminology is irrelevant. You also have a habit of making false claims. You dirty Muktaba. Also try to put lies in people's mouth. Also try to distract for the original topic when you are left without an argument. LOL

And it doesn't matter how you twist or turn it, the peer reviewed scientific studies I have posted destroy all you false claims.

You are so stupid, when I asked you to answer my on the Temple of Ramses II, you were left all in the cold not able spot answer. Because you have no clue about any composition. You jaunt rant and ramble Eurocentric rasict nonsense about all, about people you have nothing to so with.

http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S...

http://picturestack.com/66/525/tOhjournalpono...

http://i38.tinypic.com/11cgok4.jpg

Egyptians are in their root Hg E* and yes there is admixture, from less to more extend since Egypt was often invaded. For example, "The Copt samples displayed a most interesting Y-profile, enough (as much as that of Gaalien in Sudan) to suggest that they actually represent a living record of the peopling of Egypt. The significant frequency of B-M60 in this group might be a relic of a history of colonization of southern Egypt probably by Nilotics in the early state formation, something that conforms both to recorded history and to Egyptian mythology."--Hassan et al.,(2008)

This is the image we see, on ancient Egyptians. All over Egypt.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/212/504822054_...

Your claim was that E-M78 was from the Caucasus. And it is disproven.

Haplogroup E1b1 which is characterized by a high degree of internal diversity is the most represented Y chromosome haplogroup in Africa.

--Here we report on the characterization of 12 mutations within this haplogroup, eleven of which were discovered in the course of a resequencing and genotyping project performed in our laboratory. There are several changes compared to the most recently published Y chromosome tree [2].

Haplogroup E1b1 now contains two basal branches, E-V38 (E1b1a) and E-M215 (E1b1b), with V38/V100 joining the two previously separated lineages E-M2 (former E1b1a) and E-M329 (former E1b1c). Each of these two lineages has a peculiar geographic distribution. E-M2 is the most common haplogroup in sub-Saharan Africa, with frequency peaks in western (about 80%) and central Africa (about 60%).

"However, the absence of E-V68* and E-V257* in the Middle East (Table S2) makes a maritime spread between northern Africa and southern Europe a more plausible hypothesis. A detailed analysis of the Y chromosomal microsatellite variation associated with E-V68 and E-V257 could help in gaining a better understanding of the likely timing and place of origin of these two haplogroups."
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Jan 20, 2013
 
Curious Me wrote:
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Shut up, DÚMB ÁSS, you were referencing remnants as old as 190kya.
Not even the 'A'Y-Hg existed at that time.
Your so-called 'points' are absurdly ~pointless~.
But the phonotype did, this is why your crappy white supremacy nazi argument is destroyed once more.
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Jan 20, 2013
 
Curious Me wrote:
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Evidence of some archaeological dig dating back 17kya is hardly as important as the anthropological evidence of Mitochondrial DNA of Eurasian origin in North Africa since 30kya and is still robustly persistent to this day in North Africa.
There is no Eurasian DNA in North Africa that far. And certainly not during that timeframe.

http://imageshack.us/a/img96/5216/e3be1b1bmig...

What is important is the MAA confederation. And the publication by the metmuseum speaks partly of this. Its specially important because it speaks of a direct relation to the culture which was the spin off for a great culture to be arisen later on. Egypt the Daughter of Kerma and before that Naqada.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BchnIwSOdQ8/TxilP_4...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RFDBC3MrhRc/TwSONGT...

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Jan 20, 2013
 
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Wrong, racist dog.
The Hebrews were Mideasterners, as they remain today. The Jews. You are not a Hebrew (nor a Moor, an Egyptian, Irish, Chinese, Choctaw, Olmec, etc.).
No, you're an Afro-whitey Yank with little culture left and an identity crisis and inferiority complex which render you a psychological mess and socially a misfit. A marginal irrelevant nutball... that's all you are, fool.
Don't take your anger out on me Faggot just becuz you can't handle being made a fool of over and over again with you BS lies. If anybody is a racist its you and your troll friends :P
All of your claims have be laid to waste into the dusk.
You Krackers are going to pay for what you have done to us.
God will send a almighty wrath uopn you for the crimes of humanity you take such joy in. Jesus is going to be the biggest troll yet went he comes out of the sky and show you how black you krackers didn't think he was. What a funny day that will be :P
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Jan 20, 2013
 
Almoravid wrote:
http://img42.imageshack.us/img 42/1899/rameses3dnaresults.jpg
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First off, you have a history on here being a racist bigot. Long before I arrived here.
Nazi trash, you come here and speard lies about My Poeple, E-V68!
I don't care about not cold adapted wild Neanderthal who died out 40 Kya.
Homo Sapiens Sapiens is the predecessor of modern man who left Africa to expand. You have no argument, you are left for dog consumption. Your nonsense terminology is irrelevant. You also have a habit of making false claims. You dirty Muktaba. Also try to put lies in people's mouth. Also try to distract for the original topic when you are left without an argument. LOL
And it doesn't matter how you twist or turn it, the peer reviewed scientific studies I have posted destroy all you false claims.
You are so stupid, when I asked you to answer my on the Temple of Ramses II, you were left all in the cold not able spot answer. Because you have no clue about any composition. You jaunt rant and ramble Eurocentric rasict nonsense about all, about people you have nothing to so with.
http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S...
http://picturestack.com/66/525/tOhjournalpono...
http://i38.tinypic.com/11cgok4.jpg
Egyptians are in their root Hg E* and yes there is admixture, from less to more extend since Egypt was often invaded. For example, "The Copt samples displayed a most interesting Y-profile, enough (as much as that of Gaalien in Sudan) to suggest that they actually represent a living record of the peopling of Egypt. The significant frequency of B-M60 in this group might be a relic of a history of colonization of southern Egypt probably by Nilotics in the early state formation, something that conforms both to recorded history and to Egyptian mythology."--Hassan et al.,(2008)
This is the image we see, on ancient Egyptians. All over Egypt.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/212/504822054_...
Your claim was that E-M78 was from the Caucasus. And it is disproven.
Haplogroup E1b1 which is characterized by a high degree of internal diversity is the most represented Y chromosome haplogroup in Africa.
--Here we report on the characterization of 12 mutations within this haplogroup, eleven of which were discovered in the course of a resequencing and genotyping project performed in our laboratory. There are several changes compared to the most recently published Y chromosome tree [2].
Haplogroup E1b1 now contains two basal branches, E-V38 (E1b1a) and E-M215 (E1b1b), with V38/V100 joining the two previously separated lineages E-M2 (former E1b1a) and E-M329 (former E1b1c). Each of these two lineages has a peculiar geographic distribution. E-M2 is the most common haplogroup in sub-Saharan Africa, with frequency peaks in western (about 80%) and central Africa (about 60%).
"However, the absence of E-V68* and E-V257* in the Middle East (Table S2) makes a maritime spread between northern Africa and southern Europe a more plausible hypothesis. A detailed analysis of the Y chromosomal microsatellite variation associated with E-V68 and E-V257 could help in gaining a better understanding of the likely timing and place of origin of these two haplogroups."
good job of solidifying your points with outside, verfiable data. Yeah..."CM" is a racist who really doesn't deserve to engage with you.
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There is no Eurasian DNA in North Africa that far. And certainly not during that timeframe.
http://imageshack.us/a/img96/5216/e3be1b1bmig...
What is important is the MAA confederation. And the publication by the metmuseum speaks partly of this. Its specially important because it speaks of a direct relation to the culture which was the spin off for a great culture to be arisen later on. Egypt the Daughter of Kerma and before that Naqada.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BchnIwSOdQ8/TxilP_4...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RFDBC3MrhRc/TwSONGT...
Oh yes there is, lying Afronazi boy. And you know it.

It was in the Maghreb and it was in Lower Egypt.

Your boy Mikey's (of whom one of you is a sock) own data showed 40% Eurasian ancestry in Lower Egypt. That would make Lower Egypt MIXED.

That's right, MIXED!

LOL!!! Afronazi fool...
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Don't take your anger out on me Faggot just becuz you can't handle being made a fool of over and over again with you BS lies. If anybody is a racist its you and your troll friends :P
All of your claims have be laid to waste into the dusk.
You Krackers are going to pay for what you have done to us.
God will send a almighty wrath uopn you for the crimes of humanity you take such joy in. Jesus is going to be the biggest troll yet went he comes out of the sky and show you how black you krackers didn't think he was. What a funny day that will be :P
LOL... like the other Afronazi racist scum in here, you're losing it. Y'all are rotating socks and hysterically calling anyone a nazi who doesn't agree with your all-black-world scenario. LOL at you racist sociopaths. You are scum.

So you belong to the Church Of Jesus Christ, Afronazi??? LOL!!!

You remind me of the Christian Identity white supremacists who think that the real Hebrews are Anglosaxons and Jesus will come and smite all the non-whites! LOL!! YOU are the same filthy SHIT, only with the colors altered.

You vile piece of racist drek.
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Jan 20, 2013
 
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Given the Nilo-Saharan languages of so many peoples related to Upper Egyptians, itis obvious that the Kemetic language is intrusive, was brought into Egypt from elsewhere. That elsewhere would be logically the Mideast, the same place of origin of the Berber languages which entered Africa at about the same time.
Naturally with the languages came people, which explains part of the non-African ancestry of Lower Egypt in predynastic times, though Eurasians had been there even earlier than that, likely beginning about 30k bp.
Afrasan has its roots in East Northeast Africa. You speak of things you don't know or understand. Just like you mistake Nubia for being not part of Egypt.LOL

The root words of ancient Egypt are from Africa.

http://wysinger.homestead.com/africanlanguage...

http://i56.tinypic.com/29270jo.png

The lexicon has a few loan words. No more no less.

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Linguistics and writing can give some clues to migration or major cultural interactions. Semitic and perhaps Sumerian speakers in the Near East developed agriculture some 2,000 years before it emerged in the Nile Valley. If Egypt had been peopled by a mass migration of farmers from the Near East, ancient Egyptians would have spoken either a Semitic language or Sumerian (considered a language isolate, meaning that it has no obvious close relatives). Although certain major domesticated species used in Egypt came from the Near East, it is interesting to note that the words for these in Egyptian were not borrowed from any members of the Semitic family whose common ancestor had terms for them. They are all Egyptian.
--S.O.Y. Keita
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Jan 20, 2013
 
Here's a example of "someone" who like to throw stones on "glass house".

http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TA34MRH7FC20S...
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Jan 20, 2013
 
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Oh yes there is, lying Afronazi boy. And you know it.
It was in the Maghreb and it was in Lower Egypt.
Your boy Mikey's (of whom one of you is a sock) own data showed 40% Eurasian ancestry in Lower Egypt. That would make Lower Egypt MIXED.
That's right, MIXED!
LOL!!! Afronazi fool...
Of course lower Egypt has admixture. I have explained this a dozen times. And for the sake of the argument i will do it once more.

Northern Egyptians have obsorbed foreign people. But the is relatively recent. You repetitive senile racist idiot.

North Egyptians started to mix with Persians, Greeks, Romans (less, but took European slaves with them), Arabs (took Saqaliba with them) Turks (took Mamluks with them) North Egypt has basically the same diverse genetic composition as the Levant, nowadays. This is why modern North Egyptians are either cold adapted in limbs or intermediate in limbs.

How dumb you have to be to not understand when I write. And show with peer reviewed scientific studies.

Ancient Egyptians were tropcal adapted in limb portions, West Asians and Europeans are cold adapted in limb portions.

The studies show that there is continuation of these ancient Egyptians. All this including the other affinities make it conclusive, that the ancient Egyptians of Lower and Upper Egypt were Africans.

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Then a King will come from the South, Amen the Justified by name.
Son of a Ta-seti Woman, a child of Upper Egypt..
He will take the White Crown and He will wear the Red Crown, He will join the two Mighty Ones..
Rejoice O’ People of his time..
The Son of woman, will make his name for all Eternity !

Asiatic invaders will fall to his Sword..
Libyans will fall to his Flame..
Rebels to his wrath , Traitors to his Might !
As the serpent on his brow, subdue the rebels for him..

One will build the Walls -of- the- Ruler to Bar Asiatics from entering Egypt..

“DANGER!!”

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The ancient Egyptians weren't black? LOL
http://picturestack.com/987/73/W07GeneralRamN...
Finally, THIS, is exactly WHY YOU ARE SO VERY FULL OF SHÍT.

First of all, the title of this thread is NOT:

'Why do American Blacks think Egyptians are Black?'

No, stúpid, THAT was NOT the question,

not that I really care about the promisingly nebulous answer, but

the title of this thread is:

"Why do American Blacks think (((THEY'RE))) Egyptians?

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The only rational answer to THAT question should obviously be that ::THEY ARE STÚPID IF THEY DO::

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Here in the following link is an ancient Egyptian depiction of what ancient Egyptians themselves considered to be the AVERAGE phenotypical appearance of some of the different 'players' in the North African scene:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v507/chavez...

In that portrayal, the Egyptian is portrayed as one single caricature on the extreme right.

The Nubian is characterized as the caricature that is 3rd to the right.

The Nubian is profoundly Black, according to that ancient Egyptian portrayal, but the Egyptian is NOT, and, also, guess what the ancient Egyptians thought the average Libyan Berber looked like.

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In TRUTH, there was absolutely NO single phenotype that could faithfully depict all Egyptians.

King "Rameses II" had his mummy scientifically examined and was found to be overwhelmingly Caucasian but some(not all) of his depictions(the sculpted ones) were shaped not to actually look like himself but to represent a figure that was meant to also bring the subject Nubians into the 'fold'.

Some Egyptians were as Black as the Nubians that they depicted, and some again were as pale as the Libyan Berbers or Eurasian Syriacs that they depicted.

EGYPT was a newly urban coming 'together' of possibly many Peoples and their composite expertise is at least part of what helped Egypt attain such a well known level of contemporary advancement.

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Were all Egyptians accurately depicted by that one single caricature?

::OF COURSE NOT::

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http://img42.imageshack.us/img 42/1899/rameses3dnaresults.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9665/afropha...
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First off, you have a history on here being a racist bigot. Long before I arrived here.
Nazi trash, you come here and speard lies about My Poeple, E-V68!
I don't care about not cold adapted wild Neanderthal who died out 40 Kya.
Homo Sapiens Sapiens is the predecessor of modern man who left Africa to expand. You have no argument, you are left for dog consumption. Your nonsense terminology is irrelevant. You also have a habit of making false claims. You dirty Muktaba. Also try to put lies in people's mouth. Also try to distract for the original topic when you are left without an argument. LOL
And it doesn't matter how you twist or turn it, the peer reviewed scientific studies I have posted destroy all you false claims.
You are so stupid, when I asked you to answer my on the Temple of Ramses II, you were left all in the cold not able spot answer. Because you have no clue about any composition. You jaunt rant and ramble Eurocentric rasict nonsense about all, about people you have nothing to so with.
http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S...
http://picturestack.com/66/525/tOhjournalpono...
http://i38.tinypic.com/11cgok4.jpg
Egyptians are in their root Hg E* and yes there is admixture, from less to more extend since Egypt was often invaded. For example, "The Copt samples displayed a most interesting Y-profile, enough (as much as that of Gaalien in Sudan) to suggest that they actually represent a living record of the peopling of Egypt. The significant frequency of B-M60 in this group might be a relic of a history of colonization of southern Egypt probably by Nilotics in the early state formation, something that conforms both to recorded history and to Egyptian mythology."--Hassan et al.,(2008)
This is the image we see, on ancient Egyptians. All over Egypt.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/212/504822054_...
Your claim was that E-M78 was from the Caucasus. And it is disproven.
Haplogroup E1b1 which is characterized by a high degree of internal diversity is the most represented Y chromosome haplogroup in Africa.
--Here we report on the characterization of 12 mutations within this haplogroup, eleven of which were discovered in the course of a resequencing and genotyping project performed in our laboratory. There are several changes compared to the most recently published Y chromosome tree [2].
Haplogroup E1b1 now contains two basal branches, E-V38 (E1b1a) and E-M215 (E1b1b), with V38/V100 joining the two previously separated lineages E-M2 (former E1b1a) and E-M329 (former E1b1c). Each of these two lineages has a peculiar geographic distribution. E-M2 is the most common haplogroup in sub-Saharan Africa, with frequency peaks in western (about 80%) and central Africa (about 60%).
"However, the absence of E-V68* and E-V257* in the Middle East (Table S2) makes a maritime spread between northern Africa and southern Europe a more plausible hypothesis. A detailed analysis of the Y chromosomal microsatellite variation associated with E-V68 and E-V257 could help in gaining a better understanding of the likely timing and place of origin of these two haplogroups."
::I AM NO RACIST::

...and you have NO legitimate or rationally logical reason to make that puerile assertion.

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Any of the legitimate peer reviewed journal articles which you have referenced were taken out of context and poorly represented.

The body of those journal reports is in no way in agreement with your foolishly twisted bent on reality, only you're too profoundly stúpid to see that.

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