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The Great Divide Between Black Americans and West Indians

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Yashaya

Belleville, IL

#1 Oct 24, 2007
I am currently writing a book on a very controversial subject. The book is entitled “THE GREAT DIVIDE BETWEEN AFRICAN AMERICANS AND WEST INDIANS”(THE BLOOD THAT BINDS US IS THICKER THAN THE WATERS THAT DIVIDE US)

My wife is from Trinidad, West Indies and I am an African American. This topic came up in our household one day when my wife’s cousin took offense when someone referred to her as an African American. My wife’s cousin was very angry and visibly shaken at the thought of being called an African American. Amazingly enough she stated that she felt “insulted.”

It was at that point that I became very concerned about the obvious divide that exists between West Indians and African-Americans on a very wide scale.

Of course, not all members of either group are perpetrators of prejudice or discrimination toward the other, but enough of this distasteful attitude exists to warrant examination, confession and reconciliation.

West Indians and African-Americans need to become educated on how to live harmoniously with each other. We need to celebrate our cultural differences, and recognize that, in fact, we are one people.

Here is a summary of what my own inquiries have uncovered, as to reasons for this disharmony between us (please pay attention to the use of the word "SOME"):

SOME AFRICAN-AMERICANS FEEL THAT:

1 West Indians have been influenced by Whites to believe they are better than African Americans.
2. West Indians relate to them in a condescending manner.
3. West Indians come to America to take over what African Americans have labored to build up.
4. Whites treat Immigrant Blacks better than Black Americans.
5. West Indians display a lack of sensitivity toward the plight of African Americans.

SOME WEST INDIANS FEEL THAT:

1. Black Americans are lazy and do not want to be identified with them.
2. African Americans need to stop crying about race and talking about slavery and "get over it."
3. Black Americans just want hand outs like welfare.
4. African Americans have no true culture.
5. African Americans are jealous of West Indians.

These UNFORTUNATE sentiments have been responsible for causing much pain, misunderstanding and unnecessary problems among us as a people. They are the result of ignorance and foolish stereotypes, of which members of both groups are guilty. These historic misunderstandings and quarrels between West Indians and African-Americans need to be addressed and brought to an end.

Please tell me your thoughts on this topic.
YourMomsHole

Bridgetown, Barbados

#2 Oct 24, 2007
I can somewhat relate to your wife, I do not like anyone referring to me as African American, I do not see it as an insult however, it is because I feel branding me African American strips me of my own nationality and forces a culture on me that is not my own.
For my years living in the U.S I find the African American culture the most difficult for me to relate to, I tend to be able to relate to whites much easier,followed by Hispanics.
For whites it's probably because the European culture many of us are familiar with is just that, familiar.
African Americans though we are all black, appear to be from another planet all together, it is a completely new culture to learn on a whole and I do not understand it, I try to speak with African Americans at any opportunity I can to learn about their culture and way of life.
I do have family members that have been growing up in America since birth from generation to generation that still cannot identify with AA culture probably because of the influence of West Indian parents.
So far from the African Americans I have met in person I've gathered four points on the negative side about the ones I've met on a whole.
1) They seem very insecure
2)They are extremely prejudice
3) Almost every conversation always reverts to something racial
4) They seem to have the notion that they are the only blacks who endured slavery
5) They complain, ALOT.
Now, for the years I lived in the States I had only had one racial encounter as a black person.
I was warned by my mother before going to the States to watch out for the white guys with the southern accents, however I've met many white guys with southern accents and all kinds of accents, they've never been racially verbal and many of them tried to come unto me in several occasions, surprising because I thought they were supposed to be rednecks with shotguns according to my mother, they were usually very helpful, always said hi.
The funny thing is, the white guys with the southern accent weren't the first racial encounter I had, my first racial encounter was with African Americans lol.
YourMomsHole

Bridgetown, Barbados

#3 Oct 24, 2007
I was walking across from the mall with two white friends wearing my college ID speaking "newscaster" English, this AA guy starts yelling sexual obscenities from across the parking lot, I ignored him then his friends pull up in a car and one hops out, he asked me if I think I'm better than him, he flicks my college ID, says "u in college, tink u bettah?", "u hangin' with white gurls?"
I said I don't know who he is and I'd like him to leave me alone, "why u talkin' like dat? u think u bettah than me?"
Then he starts yelling racial slurs at my friends and said he would call out his girls to beat us up.
I told him frankly, I don't know how to to speak the way he speaks, I told him I was not from the U.S, I believe telling him this was the only way we could have gotten out of the situation, because apparently it seems to be necessary for all African Americans to know how to speak that way or endure a beating.
My friends let me know it should not matter where I am from that I should be allowed to speak how I wanted and make company with who I wanted, of course I knew this but I was more concerned with getting them out of danger simply because I appeared to be an AA that couldn't speak street it seems.
To this date that is the only racist encounter I have had while in the U.S
One of your points I will agree with is 2.
African Americans need to stop crying about race and talking about slavery and "get over it." I believe the paranoia, and mentality some still carry since slave days is what is causing some of them to behave the way the guys in the parking lot behaved towards me, another black that they should have embraced instead of lash out at.
Many do not realize that they are in fact the ones that are most prejudice, and that being paranoid about every white smile or nice gesture towards them is encasing their minds and their potential :(
I always say, AAs are black persons in the land of opportunity, they really should not waste it...
KNOCK KNOCK

Columbia, MD

#4 Oct 24, 2007
Yashaya wrote:
I am currently writing a book on a very controversial subject. The book is entitled “THE GREAT DIVIDE BETWEEN AFRICAN AMERICANS AND WEST INDIANS”(THE BLOOD THAT BINDS US IS THICKER THAN THE WATERS THAT DIVIDE US)
My wife is from Trinidad, West Indies and I am an African American. This topic came up in our household one day when my wife’s cousin took offense when someone referred to her as an African American. My wife’s cousin was very angry and visibly shaken at the thought of being called an African American. Amazingly enough she stated that she felt “insulted.”
It was at that point that I became very concerned about the obvious divide that exists between West Indians and African-Americans on a very wide scale.
Of course, not all members of either group are perpetrators of prejudice or discrimination toward the other, but enough of this distasteful attitude exists to warrant examination, confession and reconciliation.
West Indians and African-Americans need to become educated on how to live harmoniously with each other. We need to celebrate our cultural differences, and recognize that, in fact, we are one people.
Here is a summary of what my own inquiries have uncovered, as to reasons for this disharmony between us (please pay attention to the use of the word "SOME"):
SOME AFRICAN-AMERICANS FEEL THAT:
1 West Indians have been influenced by Whites to believe they are better than African Americans.
2. West Indians relate to them in a condescending manner.
3. West Indians come to America to take over what African Americans have labored to build up.
4. Whites treat Immigrant Blacks better than Black Americans.
5. West Indians display a lack of sensitivity toward the plight of African Americans.
SOME WEST INDIANS FEEL THAT:
1. Black Americans are lazy and do not want to be identified with them.
2. African Americans need to stop crying about race and talking about slavery and "get over it."
3. Black Americans just want hand outs like welfare.
4. African Americans have no true culture.
5. African Americans are jealous of West Indians.
These UNFORTUNATE sentiments have been responsible for causing much pain, misunderstanding and unnecessary problems among us as a people. They are the result of ignorance and foolish stereotypes, of which members of both groups are guilty. These historic misunderstandings and quarrels between West Indians and African-Americans need to be addressed and brought to an end.
Please tell me your thoughts on this topic.
Your first error is to use the term African when referring to black Americans who are descendants of slaves. The term is a misnomer, and these descendants are such a different genotype and phenotype from their ancestors who were captured and brought to the western hemisphere, that there is very little, culturally, mores, folkways, and values that connect them to Africa. In the mean time what many fail to consider when trying to group individuals, one shoe does not fit all. Those descendants of slaves have evolved into a completely different sub ethnic category. Having ancestors that came form a plethora of villages and tribes even sub divides them even more. Americans of some African ethnicity, they might be, but it is a misnomer to call them some kind of American African. One size does not fit all.
KNOCK KNOCK

Columbia, MD

#5 Oct 24, 2007
Cont: Blacks perhaps more than many others that have a right to be called just Americans. Their cultures, values, culinary and crafts skills have been absorbed into what was an evolving country, that was to become the USA. They were absorbed just as many immigrants who came on their own free will. Four hundred years, and the homeland is America, not Africa. There are, little if any, small branches of their ancestry to be found in Africa, much less some so called roots. American's they are, they have earned that right!!!!.. not to be some "other" hyphenated American.
YourMomsHole

Bridgetown, Barbados

#6 Oct 24, 2007
KNOCK KNOCK wrote:
Cont: Blacks perhaps more than many others that have a right to be called just Americans. Their cultures, values, culinary and crafts skills have been absorbed into what was an evolving country, that was to become the USA. They were absorbed just as many immigrants who came on their own free will. Four hundred years, and the homeland is America, not Africa. There are, little if any, small branches of their ancestry to be found in Africa, much less some so called roots. American's they are, they have earned that right!!!!.. not to be some "other" hyphenated American.
Completely agree, but correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't it a black movie director that advocated the term African Americans be applied to black citizens of the U.S?
KNOCK KNOCK

Columbia, MD

#7 Oct 24, 2007
YourMomsHole wrote:
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Completely agree, but correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't it a black movie director that advocated the term African Americans be applied to black citizens of the U.S?
Some give the credit to Jesse Jackson. the census Bureau started the official unofficial use of the term. The media fall all over themselves trying to use it. Others, who are just ill informed think that it is some cute little euphemism. And there are some who feel that everyone but the "majority" should be hyphenated. It is truly a misnomer.. an individual can be black and not an American, nor considered an African.. but the designation of the term immediately will place them in the category of being an AA.. when they are not. Oh, and I don't know about the black movie director. If he/she did, it was a grave mistake.
YourMomsHole

Saint Michael, Barbados

#8 Oct 24, 2007
I just looked it up, I believe it was Spike Lee :)
KNOCK KNOCK

Phenix City, AL

#9 Oct 24, 2007
YourMomsHole wrote:
I just looked it up, I believe it was Spike Lee :)
Never seen any of his movies, but know his aunt who lives in Alabama, so my knowledge of him is through her. I've seen him on TV in attendance at a NY Nicks game, and that is the extent and limit of my understanding his persona. However, if the term came from him, there is a need to correct a terrible mistake.
nikkitheone

Washington, DC

#10 Mar 20, 2011
I have no idea where WI's would get the notion that AA's are jealous of them. It is simply untrue. I don't know one AA that is jealous of a WI, and there is absolutely no need to be. WI's have benefitted off of AA's, but they want to downplay that so that they don't feel like leeches upon AA's. They might not want to identify with AA's, but it sure is funny that they have no shame receiving any resources meant for AA's. Seems like they want handouts but not the moniker "AA's". If anything, that is why AA's resent WI's. The whole "what's yours is mine" mentality that AA's do not like. By the way, what is WI's, that AA's can claim is theirs? NOTHING.
nikkitheone

Washington, DC

#11 Mar 20, 2011
Also, the insensitity that WI's show is really a show. They know that black in this country means AA and that it does not include them. They are a non-factor. We have no problem staying away from them, but they won't stay away from us.
nikkitheone

Peach Bottom, PA

#12 Apr 28, 2011
I don't mean any harm, but black Americans are definitely NOT jealous of West Indians.And if they think so, they are delusional. They have benefitted off of black Americans, not the other way around. At all. All the bs talk is just to circumvent that basic fact. You can just stay away from black Americans, and we will certainly do the same. Peace
justsayin

Peach Bottom, PA

#13 Oct 29, 2011
KNOCK KNOCK wrote:
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Some give the credit to Jesse Jackson. the census Bureau started the official unofficial use of the term. The media fall all over themselves trying to use it. Others, who are just ill informed think that it is some cute little euphemism. And there are some who feel that everyone but the "majority" should be hyphenated. It is truly a misnomer.. an individual can be black and not an American, nor considered an African.. but the designation of the term immediately will place them in the category of being an AA.. when they are not. Oh, and I don't know about the black movie director. If he/she did, it was a grave mistake.
It isnt west indians business how black americans choose to identify, you need to stay out of all matters of black americans business and mind your own. we don't get involved with west indian business (if there is any) but you seem to be obsessed with ours. step off
Vivek Golikeri

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#14 Aug 2, 2013
If whites treat immigrant blacks better than black Americans, maybe it's because they frequently behave better. West Indians have the British tradition and the education that came with it. They immigrated with a determination to better themselves.

Yes, too many African-Americans indulge in self-pity and constantly bring up the slavery past to explain away everything. In the early 1900's families were much closer to slavery, and blacks suffered far worse bigotry and injustice.

Yet in the early 20th century communities in black neighborhoods were more cohesive and purposeful. Why? Because family was stronger, and family, church and school built character.
Nala

San Jose, CA

#15 Sep 23, 2013
Very interesting posts. I am AA but know for sure that my ancestors came to the US through slavery and a plantation in Virginia. I respect the culture of those who come from the West Indies. The only real differences are that some ancestors through slavery stayed in parts of the Caribbean while others went on to America. As an educated AA with two degrees it amazes me that skin color among blacks is still an issue today. I do agree that some not all WI's look down on African Americans
I was recently enjoying a meal with some friends all of us were the same complexion, one friend made the comment to my other friend....i was surprised to learn that you were not black. She quickly sat upright and said no, I'm Puerto Rican. I guess I could have easily said oh I'm Scottish,Black&Choctaw Indian. We could all use a History Lesson on how the Slave Trade has truly divided us as brothers and sisters.
Tonya

Springfield Gardens, NY

#16 Oct 15, 2013
Well I agree that not all westindians generalize AA and vise versa but enough do to warrant scrutiny. I have noticed that west indians have a annoying allegiance to all things white or anglo in terms of their attitudes toward white employers white rule they will try their best to assure caucasians that they love them and kiss whites asses so much they have shit on their breath we AA despise buffoonery we have black pride and thought WI did because of their natural hair and culture but that's all they have because they will try to get AA fired they constantly complain to massa about us and it is sickening how these ungrateful race traitors bow to whites they disgust us!
Stoppingby

United States

#17 Nov 2, 2015
Yashaya wrote:
I am currently writing a book on a very controversial subject. The book is entitled “THE GREAT DIVIDE BETWEEN AFRICAN AMERICANS AND WEST INDIANS”(THE BLOOD THAT BINDS US IS THICKER THAN THE WATERS THAT DIVIDE US)
My wife is from Trinidad, West Indies and I am an African American. This topic came up in our household one day when my wife’s cousin took offense when someone referred to her as an African American. My wife’s cousin was very angry and visibly shaken at the thought of being called an African American. Amazingly enough she stated that she felt “insulted.”
It was at that point that I became very concerned about the obvious divide that exists between West Indians and African-Americans on a very wide scale.
Of course, not all members of either group are perpetrators of prejudice or discrimination toward the other, but enough of this distasteful attitude exists to warrant examination, confession and reconciliation.
West Indians and African-Americans need to become educated on how to live harmoniously with each other. We need to celebrate our cultural differences, and recognize that, in fact, we are one people.
Here is a summary of what my own inquiries have uncovered, as to reasons for this disharmony between us (please pay attention to the use of the word "SOME"):
SOME AFRICAN-AMERICANS FEEL THAT:
1 West Indians have been influenced by Whites to believe they are better than African Americans.
2. West Indians relate to them in a condescending manner.
3. West Indians come to America to take over what African Americans have labored to build up.
4. Whites treat Immigrant Blacks better than Black Americans.
5. West Indians display a lack of sensitivity toward the plight of African Americans.
SOME WEST INDIANS FEEL THAT:
1. Black Americans are lazy and do not want to be identified with them.
2. African Americans need to stop crying about race and talking about slavery and "get over it."
3. Black Americans just want hand outs like welfare.
4. African Americans have no true culture.
5. African Americans are jealous of West Indians.
These UNFORTUNATE sentiments have been responsible for causing much pain, misunderstanding and unnecessary problems among us as a people. They are the result of ignorance and foolish stereotypes, of which members of both groups are guilty. These historic misunderstandings and quarrels between West Indians and African-Americans need to be addressed and brought to an end.
Please tell me your thoughts on this topic.
I am Haitian. Let me start by saying that I am grateful to the African-American people because if it wasn't for their battle and fight for justice i wouldn't be able to take advantage of a lot of things that i can today. Personally if you're implying African-American as a nationality which is not what people do then that wouldn't apply to me. I am from the continent America but I guess only people from the U.S. are called American. I prefer black. i don't think the term African-American is accurate and people use to refer to someone color just black is fine with me. As far as perspective I think the difference is in Haiti everyone is practically black about 95% we are not really living next to the people who oppressed us and it is not as recent. I think some Black Americans walk around not trusting whites and don't feel like just another American but rather "African-American". Culturally speaking, we're different not superior nor inferior just different from sports, art and for my case language. As far as moral values I think black American parents are as strict but the environment is different. Well I don't think the term is accurate for me that's it. When i did come here what i was hearing about Black American wasn't so pleasant i could have easily thought they were just a bunch entitled lazy people too. It's easier to be entitled when you grow up in a country where you expect the government to do things for you.
Luther

Cologne, Germany

#18 Aug 12, 2016
Renee1234

Abingdon, VA

#19 Aug 16, 2016
Yashaya wrote:
I am currently writing a book on a very controversial subject. The book is entitled “THE GREAT DIVIDE BETWEEN AFRICAN AMERICANS AND WEST INDIANS”(THE BLOOD THAT BINDS US IS THICKER THAN THE WATERS THAT DIVIDE US)

My wife is from Trinidad, West Indies and I am an African American. This topic came up in our household one day when my wife’s cousin took offense when someone referred to her as an African American. My wife’s cousin was very angry and visibly shaken at the thought of being called an African American. Amazingly enough she stated that she felt “insulted.”

It was at that point that I became very concerned about the obvious divide that exists between West Indians and African-Americans on a very wide scale.

Of course, not all members of either group are perpetrators of prejudice or discrimination toward the other, but enough of this distasteful attitude exists to warrant examination, confession and reconciliation.

West Indians and African-Americans need to become educated on how to live harmoniously with each other. We need to celebrate our cultural differences, and recognize that, in fact, we are one people.

Here is a summary of what my own inquiries have uncovered, as to reasons for this disharmony between us (please pay attention to the use of the word "SOME"):

SOME AFRICAN-AMERICANS FEEL THAT:

1 West Indians have been influenced by Whites to believe they are better than African Americans.
2. West Indians relate to them in a condescending manner.
3. West Indians come to America to take over what African Americans have labored to build up.
4. Whites treat Immigrant Blacks better than Black Americans.
5. West Indians display a lack of sensitivity toward the plight of African Americans.

SOME WEST INDIANS FEEL THAT:

1. Black Americans are lazy and do not want to be identified with them.
2. African Americans need to stop crying about race and talking about slavery and "get over it."
3. Black Americans just want hand outs like welfare.
4. African Americans have no true culture.
5. African Americans are jealous of West Indians.

These UNFORTUNATE sentiments have been responsible for causing much pain, misunderstanding and unnecessary problems among us as a people. They are the result of ignorance and foolish stereotypes, of which members of both groups are guilty. These historic misunderstandings and quarrels between West Indians and African-Americans need to be addressed and brought to an end.

Please tell me your thoughts on this topic.
I am African American I love to work you judge all blacks because you have not met them all. and jealous of what I am proud to be an African American in America I am not on welfare I don't get food stamps I do not receive anything but what I earned and what I worked for
Klansmanx

Baltimore, MD

#20 Oct 2, 2016
West Indies and Afro-American or should I say dumb and dumber. All you n$88£rs are the same. Unintelligent, black and dirty, and love killing each other like animals.

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