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Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#149 Mar 22, 2013
For me education was a deepening and broadening experience. It wasn't just about a degree or about how much money I'd make once I graduated. Not that these "practical" matters didn't concern. I was a kid from the hood, and certainly didn't want to be poor my entire life.
Yet for me education was about broadening my horizons; developing my intellectual, aesthetic and emotional powers. And this also helped heighten my social awareness, partly because some of my professors were intellectual veterans of the Movement of the 1960s.
I learned to appreciate the cultural riches and lessons of History, Philosophy, art, literature, psychology and the sciences.

Inspired by some of my teachers, I eventually decided to become an educator myself, which I did after completing my graduate studies in Philosophy.
Am I rich? No, but I don't care about that. I'm reasonably comfortable and a homeowner. Most importantly, I'm free to pursue the life of the mind.
I wouldn't trade my personal and intellectual freedom for all the gold of Fort Knox.
camber

Miami, FL

#151 Mar 22, 2013
I Hate Syracuse wrote:
<quoted text>Now I understand where this crap is coming from. Not every school is for eveyone. But, eberyone can learn. You simply chose not to... I went to college to play football and wrestle. However, I walked in on a graduation that included me. 2 years later, I had a MS. And, another 2 year later, I had a PhD. I chose to get an education. I also hated college, but I hated it so much that I had to create a reason not to repeat myself.
I know exactly who you are. You were that kid that made excuses for your failures. You neve accept responsiblity for your actions, grades, or anything in your life. Instead, you blame others, even the institution of higher education.
Those two C Blacks posters must be the same.
Both seem angry black ghetto type with postings.
Peshewar

Hollywood, FL

#152 Mar 22, 2013
Gawga Boy wrote:
I have a friend that graduated from FAMU for architectual engineering. He now works for sprint. He feels college was a waste of time.
They have to give you a degree because you did the work but that doesn't mean they have to given you a job.

My advice to the group(young black males) most impacted by a sub par job market is to get trades and skills first;then used the earnings from plying your skills to to finance your college education

Try as much as you can not to get into student loan debt.

If you notice white America has taken most the trade schools black areas; as well as vocational classes out of predominately black schools
The feed us college scam to get into debt while you pay exhorbitant sums of money to different white firms to have your house built,your car fixed ,your electrical work done, your lawnmower repaired and on and on.

Now you have a bunch young black males out here detailing card but can't fix them!Young brothers walking around trying to sell a bag of weed while Mexicans are fixing roofs in their community.White men all around them doing skilled labor while they can't even read a tape measure or use a level.

Our children's education should be based on the needs of the community.We need doctors-biologists(for our health issues),agricultural scientists-botanists(for urban farming),chemists,African centered educators,and tradesmen of all disciplines(infrastructure)
Cap Black

Huntsville, AL

#153 Mar 22, 2013
Law student think its a money scam.

"LAW School is even worse... what a scam... I have 150k in loans I can only hope to payback...

Currently work in Insurance/Collision industry and wish I went into this in my 20's and I would have no debt."

College Professor Explains Why College is a Waste of Time and Money
http://mixergy.com/college-waste-time-money-s...

1.) in a bad economy, there are not enough high paying jobs for everyone. In fact, there are not enough high paying jobs for even 10% of everyone. There ALWAYS has to be 50 junky low paying jobs for every high paying one, because THE LOW PAYING ONES SUPPORT THAT 100$ PER HOUR JOB! You can't have a kingdom without serfs! That is why minimum wage has to be higher, because if nobody worked at McDonalds and everyone was a high paid "professional" there would be no economy or production.
Cap Black

Huntsville, AL

#154 Mar 22, 2013
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...
The majority of students entering college today are unprepared, Nemko explains, "When you hop into a cab or walk into a restaurant, you're likely to meet workers who spent years and their family's life savings on college, only to end up with a job they could have done as a high-school dropout."

Nemko's article appears this month in The Chronicle of Higher Education.
Peshewar

Hollywood, FL

#155 Mar 22, 2013


Repost with corrections:

They have to give you a degree because you did the work, but that doesn't mean they have to give you a job.

My advice to the group(young black males) most impacted by a sub par job market is to get trades and skills first;then used the earnings from plying your skills to to finance your college education

Try as much as you can not to get into student loan debt.

If you notice white America has taken most of the trade schools out of black areas; as well as vocational classes out of predominately black schools

The feed us this college scam to get into debt while you pay exhorbitant sums of money to different white firms to have your house built,your car fixed ,your electrical work done, your lawnmower repaired and on and on.

Now after having taken away vocational classes you have a bunch young black males out here detailing cars but can't fix them! Young brothers walking around trying to sell a bag of weed while Mexicans are fixing roofs in their community.White men all around them doing skilled labor while they can't even read a tape measure or use a level.

Our children's education should be based on the needs of the community.We need doctors-biologists(for our health issues),agricultural scientists-botanists(for urban farming),chemists,African centered educators,and tradesmen of all disciplines(infrastructure)
Peshewar

Hollywood, FL

#156 Mar 22, 2013
Good thread CapBlack....

The same banks that gave us the housing bubble a few years ago have given us the student loan bubble. And to some extent the health care bubble..
Cap Black

Huntsville, AL

#157 Mar 22, 2013
http://www.blurofinsanity.com/collegewaste.ht...
Pressure in the College World

College professors are never questioned about what they know. Who could call them on their mistakes anyway? Their students? Who else is in the classroom to judge them? You will always know less about the subject than the teachers. Which means they are free from any real meaningful criticism of their jobs. Once they know a course very little ever changes, so they pretty much never have to learn anything new for the rest of their careers. We wonít even talk about high school teachers or below, as these Ďteachersí were too lame to even become college professors.

Vs.

Pressure in the Real World
In the real world you are constantly being judged on your performance. If you fail at your job - you are fired. You have to perform every day, there isnít any choice. Knowledge and procedures are constantly changing so you constantly have to figure out more and more, or never advance to a higher job. There are Supervisors and Managers who constantly observe and judge your performance.
Cap Black

Huntsville, AL

#158 Mar 22, 2013
Peshewar wrote:
Good thread CapBlack....
The same banks that gave us the housing bubble a few years ago have given us the student loan bubble. And to some extent the health care bubble..
Thanks,and true.Capitalism is the name of the game.
And we're just pawns.

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#159 Mar 22, 2013
Peshewar wrote:
Good thread CapBlack....
The same banks that gave us the housing bubble a few years ago have given us the student loan bubble. And to some extent the health care bubble..
Don't forget the mother of all bubbles....the sovereign debt bubble brought to you by the same sponsors.....THE UNITED STATES GOVERNEMENT!

Level 2

Since: Oct 12

Long Beach, CA

#160 Mar 22, 2013
Cap Black wrote:
http://www.blurofinsanity.com/collegewaste.ht...
Pressure in the College World
College professors are never questioned about what they know. Who could call them on their mistakes anyway? Their students? Who else is in the classroom to judge them? You will always know less about the subject than the teachers. Which means they are free from any real meaningful criticism of their jobs. Once they know a course very little ever changes, so they pretty much never have to learn anything new for the rest of their careers. We wonít even talk about high school teachers or below, as these Ďteachersí were too lame to even become college professors.
Vs.
Pressure in the Real World
In the real world you are constantly being judged on your performance. If you fail at your job - you are fired. You have to perform every day, there isnít any choice. Knowledge and procedures are constantly changing so you constantly have to figure out more and more, or never advance to a higher job. There are Supervisors and Managers who constantly observe and judge your performance.
Wrong. I can see you are not talking from experience. College professor have to stay up to date with new information pertaining to their field. And also most importantly, College professors get Peer reviewed from other professors, and they make sure each one's material is up to coherent. And also students get a survey after every course and can rate their professors performance.
jumpstart

Lusby, MD

#161 Mar 22, 2013
YoungBlackMan1992 wrote:
<quoted text>
Engineering? Maybe you mean your man is a technician. You cant do engineering unless you have a degree. That is solid.
not true there a programs that train you based on your experience.

“Vote Republican”

Level 3

Since: Aug 08

Wyandanch, NY

#162 Mar 22, 2013
Cap Black wrote:
http://www.blurofinsanity.com/collegewaste.ht...
Pressure in the College World
College professors are never questioned about what they know. Who could call them on their mistakes anyway? Their students? Who else is in the classroom to judge them? You will always know less about the subject than the teachers. Which means they are free from any real meaningful criticism of their jobs. Once they know a course very little ever changes, so they pretty much never have to learn anything new for the rest of their careers. We wonít even talk about high school teachers or below, as these Ďteachersí were too lame to even become college professors.
Vs.
Pressure in the Real World
In the real world you are constantly being judged on your performance. If you fail at your job - you are fired. You have to perform every day, there isnít any choice. Knowledge and procedures are constantly changing so you constantly have to figure out more and more, or never advance to a higher job. There are Supervisors and Managers who constantly observe and judge your performance.
You could not be more wrong. When I was a college professor, I was rated by my student's formally and informally. In addition, there were peer reviews every semester. When I wrote my two textbooks, they were also reviewed by my peers at my university and a few others; Princeton, Rutgers, and Montclaire State.

Since: Jun 08

Tulsa OK. & Lugano Switzerland

#163 Mar 22, 2013
Peshewar wrote:
<quoted text>
They have to give you a degree because you did the work but that doesn't mean they have to given you a job.
My advice to the group(young black males) most impacted by a sub par job market is to get trades and skills first;then used the earnings from plying your skills to to finance your college education
Try as much as you can not to get into student loan debt.
If you notice white America has taken most the trade schools black areas; as well as vocational classes out of predominately black schools
The feed us college scam to get into debt while you pay exhorbitant sums of money to different white firms to have your house built,your car fixed ,your electrical work done, your lawnmower repaired and on and on.
Now you have a bunch young black males out here detailing card but can't fix them!Young brothers walking around trying to sell a bag of weed while Mexicans are fixing roofs in their community.White men all around them doing skilled labor while they can't even read a tape measure or use a level.
Our children's education should be based on the needs of the community.We need doctors-biologists(for our health issues),agricultural scientists-botanists(for urban farming),chemists,African centered educators,and tradesmen of all disciplines(infrastructure)
Things sure has changed. I grew up in a black community in Richmond,Va.
Everyone I grew up with had a mom and dad. Only two girls were pregnant and disappeared and that was in 7th and 8th grade.
My dad bought me a tool kit to work on my bicycle. Later taught me how to fix the lawn mower.
Dad was a construction Forman so I learned early how to read prints,build walls,hang drywall,mud,and metal lath,and ceilings when he work extra on weekends. I already knew how to use a tape measure from grade school. He taught me how to use a level...even a laser level back then. Knew all of this before I graduated from high school which came in handy during my first few months in Tulsa for Aeronautics school. There were many apartments being built at the time and they needed experienced workers.
So with hanging Sheetrock,washing dishes at Denny's,sorting laundry at Hillcrest Hospital,and custodial work at Union I supported myself and paid most of my tuition.
Because of my mom I know how to cook and clean but my dad I don't know how I could have made it without him.
Kids need a mom and dad. Community begins in the home.

Also when I was in high school there was an after school program that taught you how to start a business from scratch. Can't think of the name but it was a pretty good program. Teens from all high schools could go to this workshop.There was a tv commercial about it back then as well. From what I remember of it you develope an idea,plan it,build it,market it,.......something like that.
Many of my friends took the course. It was good exposure.
It wasn't a white thing or a black thing. Anyone could participate.i think it was privately funded.

I was already interested in aviation so I took another direction.
Peshewar

Jacksonville, FL

#164 Mar 22, 2013
Great post AA Much

My main thing is black people and them you black males in particular need to learn how to earn a living outside of white institutions. Yes it is fantastic to earn a degree in Psychology but you still should shore yourself up by plumbing or carpentry.Cool beans to get a degree in Physics but if you are an young American Black Man you better learn some mechanics or something.

Look, if young brothers have skills there's more than enough work and MONEY in the black community alone for the to earn a decent living. It's not that our money doesn't circulate in our community it's that our intellectual capital does not circulate.

Since: Jun 08

Tulsa OK. & Lugano Switzerland

#165 Mar 22, 2013
Peshewar wrote:
Great post AA Much
My main thing is black people and them you black males in particular need to learn how to earn a living outside of white institutions. Yes it is fantastic to earn a degree in Psychology but you still should shore yourself up by plumbing or carpentry.Cool beans to get a degree in Physics but if you are an young American Black Man you better learn some mechanics or something.
Look, if young brothers have skills there's more than enough work and MONEY in the black community alone for the to earn a decent living. It's not that our money doesn't circulate in our community it's that our intellectual capital does not circulate.
Carpentry,plumbing,heat/air.
You will never go wrong with these skills.

Level 2

Since: Oct 12

Long Beach, CA

#166 Mar 23, 2013
jumpstart wrote:
<quoted text> not true there a programs that train you based on your experience.
What programs are these? are they like sponsored apprenticeship programs by certain companies?
Cap Black

Huntsville, AL

#167 Mar 23, 2013
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...

The majority of students entering college today are unprepared, Nemko explains, "When you hop into a cab or walk into a restaurant, you're likely to meet workers who spent years and their family's life savings on college, only to end up with a job they could have done as a high-school dropout."

Nemko's article appears this month in The Chronicle of Higher Education.

Level 2

Since: Oct 12

Long Beach, CA

#168 Mar 24, 2013
Cap Black wrote:
http://www.npr.org/templates/s tory/story.php?storyId=9037458 3
The majority of students entering college today are unprepared, Nemko explains, "When you hop into a cab or walk into a restaurant, you're likely to meet workers who spent years and their family's life savings on college, only to end up with a job they could have done as a high-school dropout."
Nemko's article appears this month in The Chronicle of Higher Education.
If you want to be a

Doctor
Lawyer
Nurse
Engineer
Certified Public Accountant
NASA Worker
Mechanic
Technician
etc.

You will need to attend college/trade school. You need an education in general. There is no way around it. You need education for anything you want to do, otherwise how can you be competent if you never learned your craft?

If you major in philosophy, or art studies, then dont bitch if you cant find a job once you graduate.
NoShow

Saratoga Springs, NY

#169 Mar 24, 2013
Valerie Rae wrote:
You can never go wrong when you invest in yourself, especially your intellect. The goal of the university system is to develop well-rounded individuals and specialists for a better tomorrow. I have three degrees. It was worth every penny. I'm seriously considering going for my Ph.D., as soon as I can find the time.
Why do you keep going to school to avoid getting a job? You are probably one of those "college addicts" that continue going to collect "paper" because they can't find work.

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