Are the Tutsis of Rwanda originally f...
Nambooze

Uganda

#587 Feb 1, 2012
Drabbo wrote:
<quoted text>If there is any such thing as a Tutsi-Jew -- then they are obviously recent converts , Just like the bayudaya jews who live on the slopes of Mt elgon and The Ibo Benei-Yisrael Jews of Nigeria. If tutsi dont give their daughters to non-tutsi -- then it looks like their daughters are voting with their feet and marrying these non-tutsi . There is so much wide spread intermarriage to non-tutsi -- in many parts of east africa nobody even knows who is tutsi and who is not. And you you really for East africa -- you should be aware of the popular view about the 'generosity' of Tutsi women.
We should not generalise and be abusive on here. I know the baganda and basoga who are more generous than the the tutsi women or any other women around here. Lets be more mindful with our language here on the public forum.

Level 3

Since: Nov 07

San Diego, CA

#588 Feb 2, 2012
Nambooze wrote:
<quoted text>We should not generalise and be abusive on here. I know the baganda and basoga who are more generous than the the tutsi women or any other women around here. Lets be more mindful with our language here on the public forum.
Ok Ms Class monitor ! What is so abusive about pointing out a well known public view in Uganda :- you should question why society particularly in Uganda holds it - and yes society tends to generalize. Its not necessarily true and its not even my point of view . The point I was making to our 'Tutsi-Jew' friend is that intermarriage between Tusti and non Tutsi populations is just so prevalent in east africa-- I dont even find it worthy of debate.

Level 3

Since: Nov 07

San Diego, CA

#589 Feb 2, 2012
Yeboyeboh wrote:
@DRABBO:
"Your DNA make is not influenced by what you eat -- its who you have sex with !"
1)That's what I'm trying to bring up in your mind (see:#582; paragr.5). No DNA connection without inter-sex, and without intermarriage ! My question was how a so-called BANTU, could marry a Tutsi woman(and be allowed to legaly have children with her)in the context of the Orthodox traditional Tutsi Jewish society of Burundi-Rwanda-Kivu-Buha-Ankol e,etc...
The answer is very simple, but you seem to ignore the fact now, you, "modern" guys: NO WAY !!!
2)Ask any Tutsi from Burundi who was about 20 years old in the 1980s. Cases arose of number of Tutsi fathers taken to jail by the "progressist" regime headed by BAGAZA (a Hima-Tutsi president), just because the Tutsi father/and family had rejected a hutu candidate who was willing to marry his daughter. And this happens in the 1980s.
3) In the 1880s, before the fighting monks entered the kingdoms, such struggles could never happen. Because everybody was instructed by parents and parrents' parents in which circle he had to look for a wife for his son. Things were set up quite early, even when the boy or the girl was about 10 years old (legends tell that draft-contracts could be set up even earlier). The phenomenon called "GUKWERERA INDA IYINDI" is not just a legend... Those who know know ! Ask Tutsi married friends (if you know some...genuine ones) what dreadful struggle they went through while attempting to fill up application for marrying their current wife. You just can't understand ! It's a hell.
4) Sometimes modern Tutsi youngsters (raised in cities and at the college age) would feel like unfortunate to be born "Tutsi Jews" and not like other populations around who just have to deal with the reverse situation (i.e.,too many potential wives available just for one guy). But very quickly they get the point...
YOU JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND ! THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF A LEGAL HYBRIDATION PATTERN IN A TUTSI JEWISH CONTROLLED SOCIETY.
OK buddy here are the facts :
1. Tutsi are Bantid Nilo- hamites i.e the y have as much bantu ancestry as the they do nilo hamite.
2. The idea of 'ethnic purity' does not exist in a single society in Africa .
3. The is absolutely no genetic connection between Tutsi and semitic groups.
4.Judaism as an indigenous religion in rwanda or burundi has never been practiced-- any modern practitioners are recent converts
5.The connection to jews is the shared experience of genocide -- making biological connection because a shared social experience is probably the most spectacularly delusional thing anyone can do.
Yeboyeboh

Takoma Park, MD

#590 Feb 2, 2012
@DRABBO:

THE TUTSI JEWS KNOW VERY CLEARLY WHO THEY ARE, AND THEY NEED NO LESSON FROM ANYBODY WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THEIR PAST AND THEIR PRESENT WAYS. I APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHTS ALL OF YOU ON THIS FORUM, BUT HAVE NO LESSON TO TAKE FROM ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T SHARE MY MEMORY AS A TUTSI JEW. AND MEMORY IS CRITICAL EVERYWHERE AND FOR EVERYBODY. JUST A FEW REFLECTIONS:

1) I spent a bit time reading back this discussion's archives since the beginning departing the 2008-2009, and find myself ashamed not to have been part of so bright, talented and carefully documented conversations a couple of years ago.

2) I'm sorry I didn't know that all we are trying to get understood was explained by TUTSI-HIMA-OROMOS-ETHIOPIANS brothers in so built a way that everybody had to acknowledge their utmost awareness and scholarship.

3) These are among others, JOHNSON from Uganda; DINKA from Ethiopia; PETER from Rwanda; RWANDAN WOMAN from Rwanda; PRINCESS from USA; MOHAMED from Norway; FATOUM from Australia; RUKS from Uganda; HIM from London; YEDIDIA from USA; SINAJUAVI from WV; BENITEZ from (not sure fo the metion); Mr TUTSI from Rwanda; MILEMBE from Brooklyn/ NY/USA; FABOLO from Paris; KAHIN from Maidenehead/UK; DUDUZI from #312, p.15; OROMO_BOY from UK; ROBIN GOODFELLOW from GA; RIDWAN from UK, Mr_T from Canada; etc...

4) All these fellows gave up discussing with stubborn people as some we see cwawling here.

5) I send a call to of them: COME BACK AND MAKE YOUR BRIGHT CONTRIBITIONS STRENGHTENED EVER.I'M A TUTSI JEW, AND WILL HAVE JUST A FEW DAYS BREAK TO TEACH THESE SO-CALLED "BANTU" WHO WE ARE EXCATLY.

6) I have a lot to share from my Tutsi Jewish background, in terms of Timeline, World History, Kush-Jewish Theology, Egyptology,timeline Geopolitics of Jewish Kush, etc...

7) I notice that sometime on April 22, 2009; #138; p.7, our friend KIKUYUGUY had to deal with the same issues we are dealing with, as it says below:

"Princess i think something is missing in your explanation . I agree with you that tutsi people speak bantu language but it's not a pure bantu language it's a combination of bantu and some midlle east language . Let me give you some example the word SHEMA means the same in HEBREW and TUTSI bantu language . The word BIN or BEN or BENE is not bantu . The tutsi culture is not at all bantu ; tutsi people respect KOSHER FOOD that means they cannot mix meat and diary product the same diet is found among JEWS . Tutsi means those who came from somewhere . We don't know where . Dear princess we know that Somali Bantu are SOMALI they speak Somali and don't know any single bantu language word ; do you have the same ancestry ? We acha maringo ."
Bantu limited

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#591 Feb 2, 2012
Yeboyeboh wrote:
@DRABBO:
6) I have a lot to share from my Tutsi Jewish background, in terms of Timeline, World History, Kush-Jewish Theology, Egyptology,timeline Geopolitics of Jewish Kush, etc...

7) I notice that sometime on April 22, 2009; #138; p.7, our friend KIKUYUGUY had to deal with the same issues we are dealing with, as it says below:

"Princess i think something is missing in your explanation . I agree with you that tutsi people speak bantu language but it's not a pure bantu language it's a combination of bantu and some midlle east language . Let me give you some example the word SHEMA means the same in HEBREW and TUTSI bantu language . The word BIN or BEN or BENE is not bantu . The tutsi culture is not at all bantu ; tutsi people respect KOSHER FOOD that means they cannot mix meat and diary product the same diet is found among JEWS . Tutsi means those who came from somewhere . We don't know where . Dear princess we know that Somali Bantu are SOMALI they speak Somali and don't know any single bantu language word ; do you have the same ancestry ? We acha maringo ."
(6)Can you Educate us your oral history? I'm interested.

You said some where that the term tutsi means hebrew(?) Yet you have just clarified it in the quote above. It makes sense that the term tutsi means "those who came". In that case it is not semetic because it is similar to the luganda word for they came, "Ba-tuse". Batuse means they came or have come. It makes sense. It is no foreign word. LOL! I did not know you have bin in Kirundi. I know swahili has bin, Like in "binadamu"
Yeboyeboh

Takoma Park, MD

#592 Feb 2, 2012
@BANTU Limited:

" the term tutsi means "those who came". In that case it is not semetic because it is similar to the luganda word for they came, "Ba-tuse". Batuse means they came or have come".

You're confirming what I'm saying. Thank you for the input. Things are not so simple. The answer is concealed in the shape of the "BTA" [Biblical Triangle of Africa]. I can't say more right now.
QueenBijoux

United States

#593 Feb 2, 2012
People in my country ususally all get along such as tribes but except for the manlkes and fulanis whenever they have an disagreement about something the manlkes would tell the fulani to go back to somalia . All I know is that nothing has been confirmed about the orgins of the fulas and tutsis so people just drop it and let go
Nambooze

Uganda

#595 Feb 3, 2012
Drabbo wrote:
<quoted text>Ok Ms Class monitor ! What is so abusive about pointing out a well known public view in Uganda :- you should question why society particularly in Uganda holds it - and yes society tends to generalize. Its not necessarily true and its not even my point of view . The point I was making to our 'Tutsi-Jew' friend is that intermarriage between Tusti and non Tutsi populations is just so prevalent in east africa-- I dont even find it worthy of debate.
Your allegation was an abuse, because it is untrue. The tutsi women are indeed one of the most beautiful and men are always astonished at their beauty, that is the fact. Yoou always run after them but it is well known that they will never produce children for a bantu man. That is the fact here. These peoples origin has always baffled people because they definately behave and LOOK different. That is why we are discussing them here and not discussing Baganda or Sudanese. They are a mystery and a point of interest. The features of these people are very alien to the surrounding populations. And by the way, in that DNA chart that places the tutsi as very close to Bantu is flawed. Check out the Hima figures and you will see a huge relation with the somali figures and yet HIMA and TUTSI to us here and to them are one and the same.

It is also not true that there are intermarriages. Men have always been duped when ever they try to produce children with the tutsi women. Tutsi only produce among themselves and I know you know it.
Bantu limited

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#596 Feb 3, 2012
Nambooze wrote:
<quoted text>Your allegation was an abuse, because it is untrue. The tutsi women are indeed one of the most beautiful and men are always astonished at their beauty, that is the fact. Yoou always run after them but it is well known that they will never produce children for a bantu man. That is the fact here. These peoples origin has always baffled people because they definately behave and LOOK different. That is why we are discussing them here and not discussing Baganda or Sudanese. They are a mystery and a point of interest. The features of these people are very alien to the surrounding populations. And by the way, in that DNA chart that places the tutsi as very close to Bantu is flawed. Check out the Hima figures and you will see a huge relation with the somali figures and yet HIMA and TUTSI to us here and to them are one and the same.
It is also not true that there are intermarriages. Men have always been duped when ever they try to produce children with the tutsi women. Tutsi only produce among themselves and I know you know it.
You talk alot of nonsense. Are you Muganda? My two brothers have children with Tutsi/Bahima women. One of my brothers is married to one. He is way older than her. They have two daughters. My mom was against the union so was I. I would have preferred they married from our own people.

“i don't shout and don't hate”

Level 4

Since: Mar 09

nairobi

#597 Feb 3, 2012

All along I've waited for someone to bring up the issue of how Tutsi women increase their numbers by a deliberate strategy of cuckolding,especially when married to Hutus! Thanks Nambooze. In fact it is said even Joseph Kabila isn't really of his late dad!! Apparently a Tanzanian Tutsi man in 2000 or early 2001 spilled the beans in an interview about how he was 'seeing' cough!/cough! his
Tutsi mum to purposely impregnate her.Many Hutu husbands have discovered this the hard way;one of the many reasons they will never be friends.
Why I have no truck with this superior Caucasian Jewish/Tutsi bs is that I've seen quite a few who resemble relatives; there's nothing special in their looks!I myself was mistaken by a Muhima girl for her dead brother. As I showed in the previous 2 pages the same 700 year old migration from Axum that reached Rwanda left quite a number of Ethiopian types around Mt.Kenya; in fact Kikuyu and Kinyarwanda share cognitives,though IMO Runyankole is closer. We also had the same Mosaic dietary rules.
My beef is his insistence on racial exclusivity based on non existent mythical jewish connections.
Bantu limited

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#598 Feb 3, 2012
kikuyuguy wrote:
All along I've waited for someone to bring up the issue of how Tutsi women increase their numbers by a deliberate strategy of cuckolding,especially when married to Hutus! Thanks Nambooze. In fact it is said even Joseph Kabila isn't really of his late dad!! Apparently a Tanzanian Tutsi man in 2000 or early 2001 spilled the beans in an interview about how he was 'seeing' cough!/cough! his
Tutsi mum to purposely impregnate her.Many Hutu husbands have discovered this the hard way;one of the many reasons they will never be friends.
Why I have no truck with this superior Caucasian Jewish/Tutsi bs is that I've seen quite a few who resemble relatives; there's nothing special in their looks!I myself was mistaken by a Muhima girl for her dead brother. As I showed in the previous 2 pages the same 700 year old migration from Axum that reached Rwanda left quite a number of Ethiopian types around Mt.Kenya; in fact Kikuyu and Kinyarwanda share cognitives,though IMO Runyankole is closer. We also had the same Mosaic dietary rules.
My beef is his insistence on racial exclusivity based on non existent mythical jewish connections.
We have a problem here. Kikuyu are not homogenous. Kikuyus have absorbed more non-bantu than any other bantu tribe. You have the masai who were adopted by the kikuyu culture (not to forget intermarriage between them), Cushetic, the mixed race people british, asian and arabs.

Did you say kikuyus were jewish too. lol!E
Bantu limited

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#599 Feb 3, 2012
kikuyuguy wrote:
All along I've waited for someone to bring up the issue of how Tutsi women increase their numbers by a deliberate strategy of cuckolding,especially when married to Hutus! Thanks Nambooze. In fact it is said even Joseph Kabila isn't really of his late dad!! Apparently a Tanzanian Tutsi man in 2000 or early 2001 spilled the beans in an interview about how he was 'seeing' cough!/cough! his
Tutsi mum to purposely impregnate her.Many Hutu husbands have discovered this the hard way;one of the many reasons they will never be friends.
Why I have no truck with this superior Caucasian Jewish/Tutsi bs is that I've seen quite a few who resemble relatives; there's nothing special in their looks!I myself was mistaken by a Muhima girl for her dead brother. As I showed in the previous 2 pages the same 700 year old migration from Axum that reached Rwanda left quite a number of Ethiopian types around Mt.Kenya; in fact Kikuyu and Kinyarwanda share cognitives,though IMO Runyankole is closer. We also had the same Mosaic dietary rules.
My beef is his insistence on racial exclusivity based on non existent mythical jewish connections.
If I remember correctly Joseph Kabila ia an adopted son of Laurent Kabila. Not biological. i do not Joseph kabila looks tutsi. He could be mixed with tutsi though.
http://www.topnews.in/files/Joseph-Kabila.jpg
Yeboyeboh

Takoma Park, MD

#600 Feb 3, 2012
@BANTU Limited & KIKUYUGUY:
"We have a problem here. Kikuyu are not homogenous...."

1- We really have a problem here ! The MASAI we know are a branch of the african Hebrew mainstream. We know each other, we love each other, and we have all the time been recommended by our forefathers that Tutsi youngsters can marry Masai women and Masai youndsters can marry Tutsi women, after a farmal approval by the religious authorities (Beit Din). Nothing similar was ever said about the KIKUYU.
2- As "Bantu Limited" puts it, it looks like the KIKUYUS have the same problem as the HUTU we know in terms of homogeneity and mind shape (please correct me if I'm wrong). The Hutus don't know each other, they hate each other, they even kill each other when there is no Tutsi around to vent their frustration on (Burundi today is an experiment field for such brutal inner behavior). The reason is that they are the scattered survivors of the slavery trade of the Atlantic Coast, who found themselves refugees in the Jewish Kingdoms of South Kush powerfully set up by the Tutsi Jews since the time of Moses up to the the King Solomon & Queen of Sheba's Commonwealth.
3- A guy which original village was burned to dust in the Guinea Gulf area, who meats in Rwanda another guy from the mouth of the Congo River, victim of the same brutality from the slave traders's gangs, could hardly find a common ground in terms of culture or common feelings, except the common situation of refugees happy enough lucky to be alive under safe protection, and then dealing with the integration process that everybody can easily imagine :
learning the language of the host nation, mastering the laws of the nation, setting up a strategy to address the every day needs, finding a wife or a husband (hard issue in a context of the strictly endogamic pastoralist society of the Jewish commonwealth of Great Lakes and East Africa, etc.)
4- The same historical standard pertain to the FULANIS and PEULS + the TOUAREGS & the TOUBOUS, who are our proud branch settled in the West African Jewish Commonwealth. All these groups are scattered Jews, later converted to Islam by the Jihadist arabs (just like some Tutsi were taken in the waves of the violent Inquisition implemented by the Fighting Monks called White Fathers...).
5- One thing again: there is no way the Masai could be the "benefactors" of the KIKUYU culture; the Masai are acknowledged as the owners of the land in Kenya, not the other way round. They were targetted by the British colonizers who needed their land and could not find any other way to have access to it but confiscating the land part of which they later redistributed to the KIKUYUS.
6- The Fighting Monks (=of the Catholic Church) did the same to the Tutsi Jews, owners of the land in Rwanda, Burundi, East Congo, West Tanzania. They confiscated the land under diverse guises, and redistributed large part of it to their Hutu catholic clients. The issue is being raised once again, right now in Burundi. A "National Commission for Land" is supposed to be at work, but has been taken over by the Church. A Hutu Bishop has been appointed as President of the Commission, with the update the accomplished fact of the 1930s (called the "VOISIN LAWS").
What I mean is that things are not so simple when african highly educated leaders decide to confront the aftermath of the 4 catastrophes that befell African groups in various ways:
-the slavery trade,
-the islamic Jihad,
-the catholic Crusades & Inquisition,
-the Colonial brutality.
7- THE EXTERMINATION OF THE AGRO-PASTORALIST JEWISH NATIONS OF AFRICA (hidden under the confusing qualification of "Inter-Ethnic violence") IS ROOTED IN THE COMBINATION OF THE WAVES STEMMING FROM THE 4 INTERTWISTED PHENOMENONS. I have in mind the cases of the Tutsi (1959 syndrome), the Peuls (Sekou Toure Syndrome) and the Masai (a subtile Genocide Pattern was applied here, sometimes similar to the one applied against the native Americans).
Yeboyeboh

Takoma Park, MD

#601 Feb 3, 2012
@BANTU Limited & KIKUYUGUY:
"We have a problem here. Kikuyu are not homogenous...."

1- We really have a problem here ! The MASAI we know are a branch of the african Hebrew mainstream. We know each other, we love each other, and we have all the time been recommended by our forefathers that Tutsi youngsters can marry Masai women and Masai youndsters can marry Tutsi women, after a farmal approval by the family watch- crews and the religious authorities (Beit Din). Nothing similar was ever said about the KIKUYU.
2- As "Bantu Limited" puts it, it looks like the KIKUYUS have the same problem as the HUTU we know in terms of homogeneity and mind shape (please correct me if I'm wrong). The Hutus don't know each other, they hate each other, they even kill each other when there is no Tutsi around to vent their frustration on (Burundi today is an experiment field for such brutal inner behavior). The reason is that they are the scattered survivors of the slavery trade of the Atlantic Coast, who found themselves refugees in the Jewish Kingdoms of South Kush powerfully set up by the Tutsi Jews since the time of Moses up to the the King Solomon & Queen of Sheba's Commonwealth.
3- A guy which original village was burned to dust in the Guinea Gulf area, who meats in Rwanda another guy from the mouth of the Congo River, victim of the same brutality from the slave traders's gangs, could hardly find a common ground in terms of culture or common feelings, except the common situation of refugees happy enough lucky to be alive under safe protection, and then dealing with the integration process that everybody can easily imagine :
learning the language of the host nation, mastering the laws of the nation, setting up a strategy to address the every day needs, finding a wife or a husband (hard issue in a context of the strictly endogamic pastoralist society of the Jewish commonwealth of Great Lakes and East Africa, etc.)
4- The same historical standard pertain to the FULANIS and PEULS + the TOUAREGS & the TOUBOUS, who are our proud branch settled in the West African Jewish Commonwealth. All these groups are scattered Jews, later converted to Islam by the Jihadist arabs (just like some Tutsi were taken in the waves of the violent Inquisition implemented by the Fighting Monks called White Fathers...).
5- One thing again: there is no way the Masai could be the "benefactors" of the KIKUYU culture; the Masai are acknowledged as the owners of the land in Kenya, not the other way round. They were targetted by the British colonizers who needed their land and could not find any other way to have access to it but confiscating the land part of which they later redistributed to the KIKUYUS.
6- The Fighting Monks (=of the Catholic Church) did the same to the Tutsi Jews, owners of the land in Rwanda, Burundi, East Congo, West Tanzania. They confiscated the land under diverse guises, and redistributed large part of it to their Hutu catholic clients. The issue is being raised once again, right now in Burundi.
7- What I mean is that things are not so simple when african highly educated leaders decide to confront the aftermath of the 4 catastrophes that befell African groups in various ways:
-the slavery trade,
-the islamic Jihad,
-the catholic Crusades & Inquisition,
-the Colonial brutality.
Nambooze

Uganda

#602 Feb 3, 2012
Bantu limited wrote:
<quoted text>
You talk alot of nonsense. Are you Muganda? My two brothers have children with Tutsi/Bahima women. One of my brothers is married to one. He is way older than her. They have two daughters. My mom was against the union so was I. I would have preferred they married from our own people.
Bantu LIMITED, unfortunately it is you who is LIMITED on tutsi facts. It is a fact and you know it that the people here have run after Tutsi girls and they have often hit hard walls just like your brother did or will if what you say is true that he tried to get a tutsi girl. They have told you that if you insist the children wont be yours and you will burst your head over that. Bantu marrying a tutsi is often just a BUBBLE.
Being or not being a muganda is a irrelevant here. The topic is about the origin of the Tutsi. The question is how did these mysterious people reach here. Where did they come from? And the answers are becoming clear. I believe to a very large extent in what Yeboyeboy is saying.
Yeboyeboh

Takoma Park, MD

#603 Feb 3, 2012
@NAMBOOZE:

"It is also not true that there are intermarriages. Men have always been duped when ever they try to produce children with the tutsi women. Tutsi only produce among themselves and I know you know it."

Thank you, Brother NAMBOOZE, for being so clear on so critical an issue as intermarriage in the Tutsi Jewish comonwealth. There is no way a Tutsi 'ordinary'(free) man could marry a non-tutsi woman. There is no way a Tutsi 'ordinary'(free) woman could marry a non-tutsi man. Absolutely no way. These people don't know how hard it is, even for a Tutsi man that we are, to have access to the Tutsi woman of your desire. Extremely complicated. We are subjected to a whole range of interminggled strategies involving friends, family crews, religious rules (close check up are made about the blood and 'magnetic' compatibility of families in the long term history), and at the final level, the accreditation of the elders of both families. Before the colonial era, a young Tutsi wasn't even entitled to express an opinion on the choice of his future wife. The pact was set up without his personnal consent.

2- I assume the "intermarriage" cases with non-tutsi that they are refering to are the result of 2 kinds of paranormal situations:

- Kidnapped Tutsi women (as it happened by the colonial era....I was told myself about our beloved aunt who has been kidnapped very young by the congolese troops (Force Publique) in the 1950s and who has disappeared since then... These women were forcilbly married to Hutu catechists and militias leaders in order to empower them (we have some interesting case like that in Burundi... and also in Rwanda with the Tutsi population which escaped deportation in 1959 and where Tutsi women were regularly sexually assaulted by the ruling hutu predators)

- The Tutsi progeny of convicted Tutsi who were exiled and had no choice but intermingling with the non-tutsi population they resettled in. These cases are very uncommon since a convicted Tutsi knew where to resettle in a Tutsi area. The case of the population of the "Ijwi Island" where the Bahavu dwell is related to these cases.

-Some historical mistakes occured also sometimes, especially the one we know under the rule of King Rwabugiri, when he waged a fierce war in the Northern part of Rwanda (currently South Uganda)with an army of non-Tutsi guys who were left without control and instinctivley assaulted some Tutsi women in the area. So, we have exceptional situations most of the time resulting from temporaly subjuction or badly designed wars. The strategies of reproduction you point out are a response to such kinds of politico-social malfunction. There are some others. Some non-tutsi friends of mine told me that they know very well the fact. This might be the explanation to the rejection that "Bantu Limited" family expressed towards what they consider a Tutsi 'interloper' woman.

We have there an exception which confirms the rule we are disclosing !The rule in Hebrew in called "TAHARIT HAMISHPACHAH"

“i don't shout and don't hate”

Level 4

Since: Mar 09

nairobi

#604 Feb 3, 2012
Bantu limited wrote:
<quoted text>
We have a problem here. Kikuyu are not homogenous. Kikuyus have absorbed more non-bantu than any other bantu tribe. You have the masai who were adopted by the kikuyu culture (not to forget intermarriage between them), Cushetic, the mixed race people british, asian and arabs.
Did you say kikuyus were jewish too. lol!E
Me!? Hell no! I said the dietary laws;same with Nilo Kushites. Anyway I'm done with this shit. It was amusing at first, but this guys game has now been revealed. Myths ,legends and utter bullshit supporting a facade of mythical Tutsi supereriority of bantus. There are more intersting things to do-lucky for me!

“i don't shout and don't hate”

Level 4

Since: Mar 09

nairobi

#605 Feb 3, 2012
Edit:mythical Tutsi superiority Over bantus
Bantu limited

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#606 Feb 3, 2012
Nambooze wrote:
<quoted text>Bantu LIMITED, unfortunately it is you who is LIMITED on tutsi facts. It is a fact and you know it that the people here have run after Tutsi girls and they have often hit hard walls just like your brother did or will if what you say is true that he tried to get a tutsi girl. They have told you that if you insist the children wont be yours and you will burst your head over that. Bantu marrying a tutsi is often just a BUBBLE.
Being or not being a muganda is a irrelevant here. The topic is about the origin of the Tutsi. The question is how did these mysterious people reach here. Where did they come from? And the answers are becoming clear. I believe to a very large extent in what Yeboyeboy is saying.
I think tutsi /bahima grew big heads when museveni came to power. But one thing is for sure my elder brother actually dump the woman when she got pregnant the second time, this the truth. I have two nieces who look like their father. He is married to a woman from mý the east now. My other brother two has two daughter. They are his children because they look like him. How can you mistake a child of two tutsies for a bantu child. LOL! We know that tutsi women often go for non-tutsi who have money. I do not know who is running after bahima/ tutsi women they days. Anyways I've not been to in Uganda and stayed in a long time. There is nothing special about you people. I had my share ofsexual encounters with hima women. Nothing to write home about.

By the way something has happened the tutsi of the old seem to be diaspearing. The tutsi, female, who used to have huge hip, massive legs, lonbg necks and tiny heads. I don't see them no more. LOL! Today people who claim to be tutsi /bahima are do not fit that mold.
Yeboyeboh

Takoma Park, MD

#607 Feb 3, 2012
@KIKUYUGUY:

"mythical Tutsi superiority Over bantus"

I'm glad you raise this fabricated issue, that has long stand as the most criminal african version of the European "Protocols of Zion".

There is no mythical Tutsi superiority over a non-existent Bantu entity. As I demostrated before (and most of oy agreed with me), the BANTU concept is a abstract category, not a material fact. There has never been any BANTU population anywhere in Africa. Only families, tribes, and runaways slaves. That is science !

So, there can't be anywhere in Africa a beginning of claim of superiority from any Tutsi Jewish nation over any non-existent entity (so-called BANTU).

Tuts scholars of modern post-modern era are ready to confront each of these "African Protocols of Zion" using science and carefully documented facts. The stigmatization game which resulted in large scale extermination of Tutsi Jews by proxy-gangs (called HUTU in the Great lakes...BANTU elsewhere)has been unveiled since a while !

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