Why biracial people are called black?

[VIXEN077]

jayrag wrote:

I think biracial people should be called COLORED. Thats the term they use in parts of Africa for peple of White,African, Asian ancestry.
Colored people do diserve their own uniqe racial group. Because neither whites or blacks will fully accept them. I do belive that blacks do accept Colored people more than whites. In America, if you are of mixed non white ancestrty you are called Black.

There was a Radio DJ in New York named Star who was bi-racial, his mother is white & his Father is Black. Star called himself "a man of color" because he is a colored man. His skin had a dark hue but no darker than a brown paper bag.

[Janet Ruth]

Ayanna wrote:

Its just like why do do black people say the N word when not s'pose to. It's not only that most people that are mix you most likely to see their black side most of the time because black is a dominant color. I am of mix race of Haitian and Cuban and when people ask me what I am I say Black and than go on to the details. It's just how it is.

People,I notice see people who are biracial black/white as looking in appearance mostly black if that person has any feature at all that tells of black ancestry.A biracial person can have blue eyes, light skin,a straight nose,all white features,but have real kinky hair, and people will take that one black racial feature,kinky hair,and say that the person looks more black than white.The only biracial persons that people do not generally consider as looking "more black"than white are biracial people who can pass for white,like Jennifer Beals,or Lonette Mckee,those who have no black physical features at all.In my opinion,from what I have seen,most biracial persons,whether they be mixed black/white or Black? Asian look in appearance like somewhere in the middle of the two races,and not more black,or more other race looking.Yes some look more black looking,but most of us look mixed.

[Roboam]

Your Question: "Why Biracial people are called black"
Answer: " Why black people are so obseded and fascinated
by the color agenda; are you self hated or what".
It is mumured that at least 83 percent of black
people Are implicitely (i mean indirectly) color self
hated.

[jayrag]

Janet Ruth wrote:

<quoted text>People,I notice see people who are biracial black/white as looking in appearance mostly black if that person has any feature at all that tells of black ancestry.A biracial person can have blue eyes, light skin,a straight nose,all white features,but have real kinky hair, and people will take that one black racial feature,kinky hair,and say that the person looks more black than white.The only biracial persons that people do not generally consider as looking "more black"than white are biracial people who can pass for white,like Jennifer Beals,or Lonette Mckee,those who have no black physical features at all.In my opinion,from what I have seen,most biracial persons,whether they be mixed black/white or Black? Asian look in appearance like somewhere in the middle of the two races,and not more black,or more other race looking.Yes some look more black looking,but most of us look mixed.

Some other biracial celebrities that can pass for white are the Rock aka Dwayne Johnson and Vin Diesel. I never knew these guys were biracial until they started talking about it to the media.
Mariah Carey, Alicia Keyes and Hale Berry are also biracial females celebrities.

[Janet Ruth]

jayrag wrote:

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Some other biracial celebrities that can pass for white are the Rock aka Dwayne Johnson and Vin Diesel. I never knew these guys were biracial until they started talking about it to the media.
Mariah Carey, Alicia Keyes and Hale Berry are also biracial females celebrities.

Vin Deisel yes, I would never take him for anything but white,not even would I think he was Hisapnic, but he looks straight up white.Dwayne Johnson,I would assume him not to be black but, interacial if I saw him for the first time,but in no way would I take him for a white man,just my opinion, you see him as looking white.Mariah Carey they have told me that I look like her.To me she looks pure white,not even mixed,or if so, I would take her for Hispanic, before I would see her black mixed.I myself do not look able to pass for white in my opinion, I just look mixed,but not white like Mariah. Halle Berry does not look to pass for white,even her own mother told her that she looks black,and to be ready to go into life expecting the world to see her as black. All the rest of them Alicia Keys and the rest< Venessa Williams, Jasmin Guy etc.-all look mixed,not black not white,but in the middle.

[Number1Queen]

jayrag wrote:

I think biracial people should be called COLORED. Thats the term they use in parts of Africa for peple of White,African, Asian ancestry.
Colored people do diserve their own uniqe racial group. Because neither whites or blacks will fully accept them. I do belive that blacks do accept Colored people more than whites. In America, if you are of mixed non white ancestrty you are called Black.

That true beacuse I think I can claim being black. But my parents who are both birracial can't claim black or white. My dad once said he was black and his father who's white was insulted.

[justin]

I'm white my wife is half black half white and our children our 1/4. My oldest son has white features from skin and hair color to eyes except for his nose and the texture of his hair. My youngest has dominent black features except for the texture of his hair is white

[Janet Ruth]

justin wrote:

I'm white my wife is half black half white and our children our 1/4. My oldest son has white features from skin and hair color to eyes except for his nose and the texture of his hair. My youngest has dominent black features except for the texture of his hair is white

You do know don't you,that even though your children are only 1/4 black,being virtually white,but have noses,and hair texture that are black, you know that there are persons with more than 1/2 black ancestry who have more white features,in regard to hair texture,straight nose,and naturally smooth hair than do your children. This only means that whether one is in factuality,more racially white, or more racially black,is based on one's lingeage,from parents, and grandparents,more so than on racial physical features. Then at the other extreme there are persons who have the same minimal 1/4 percentage of black,as do your children,and they look damn near white,like Mariah Carey,no black features at all.Then you have 1/2 black/white people who look no more closer to being mixed with white,than do the majority of black Americans walking down the street.

[Jaycee]

jayrag wrote:

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you should blame the racist whites who invented the one drop rule. The whites are the ones who won't accept you in America.

My daughter is multi-racial, white, indian and black.. the black kids dont accept her.. the white kids do... so how odd is that??

[Number1Queen]

Jaycee wrote:

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My daughter is multi-racial, white, indian and black.. the black kids dont accept her.. the white kids do... so how odd is that??

What do you mean the black kids dont except her? I'm multi-racial also. With biraical parents and a grandfather who was black and native american. I'am excepted by all white, black, hispanic and asians. Maybe your daughter just like being around white people.

[Asmara]

when will people realize that "black" in and of itself is not actually a valid racial group??? Just because the US Census bureau chose to use it doesnt actually make it valid. I though we knew this by now... these posts are getting more and more frivolous. African slaves came from many different tribes and countries... and over the past 400 years that has been quite a substansial amount of mixing occuring between not only the different tribes but also with Native Americans and *suprise, suprise* Europeans. that the majority of African Americans in this country... whether they know it or not have some degree of mixed blood.

What is the definition of black?
And at what point does African blood become diluted to the point that it is no longer relevant?

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SKIN DEEP(human skin color):
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[Janet Ruth]

marvelous wrote:

Mixed Ppl Are Embraced By Blacks More Openly And Loving Than They Are By Whites. It's A Judgmental Thing.

So So true what you say.You commonly hear black people,and by black I mean persons who believe themselves to be predominanly black,you hear them all the time tell mixed black/white biracial that they consider them to be black and part of the black community,to the exasperation of biracials, who may be trying to be recognized for their dual background. But you never hear whites saying that biracial black/white persons belong to their race of white people.I personally have never heard of it,not here in the United States. I saw the movie "Imitation of Life" many years ago,where this white looking biracial girl was confronted by her white boyfriend,who thought that she was his "WHITE" girlfriend,and when he found out she was not black he said "tell me are you black,are you a n--ger"and beat the hell out of her.That is how white people were then in the 1960s, how they are still.

[Janet Ruth]

correction when he found she was not white,

[Black Beauty 08]

it depends on who you identify with

the most

[King Ahzi]

mixy trixy wrote:

I am 1/4 black , but filled out 'white " in the census forms.
Was I wrong?

Aint no problem with being white since you are 1/4 black. I`m 1/4 white, so i`m on the opposite end but in the same box, but my white grandparent is 1/6 black. I`d say this to you. You have been blessed with black genes which may have given you a different hair texture from the avg white, a caramel to smooth cream skine tone, and slightly exageratted features (lips, buns, skull structure). Which in all actuality makes the african gene the Superior gene or else thier would be no confusion on people classifying or calling you black. It`s fine that you wanna be like your mother, but you gotta be your own woman. But remebr this though. You can marry the whitest of the whitest, but people would still be able to tell that your offspring is mixed with black. Overall, do what you do

[1inabillion]

Whats sad altogether is that only bi-racial or multi-racial people can only relate to one another. 100% black people think we have it easy. They dont understand what we go through on a day to day basis. We have our own problems just like people who are one race. A lot of black people consider us white, and a lot of white people consider us black. Theres a lot of ignorant people in this world, and it is unfortunate for me to be around people with a close-minded mentality. You find that everywhere, but Mixed people are definitely black. Well I know Im black.

[Donalda]

Asmara wrote:

when will people realize that "black" in and of itself is not actually a valid racial group??? Just because the US Census bureau chose to use it doesnt actually make it valid. I though we knew this by now... these posts are getting more and more frivolous. African slaves came from many different tribes and countries... and over the past 400 years that has been quite a substansial amount of mixing occuring between not only the different tribes but also with Native Americans and *suprise, suprise* Europeans. that the majority of African Americans in this country... whether they know it or not have some degree of mixed blood.
What is the definition of black?
And at what point does African blood become diluted to the point that it is no longer relevant?

I disagree. I find my ethnicity very relevant and I am exasperated by people like you trying to discount it and dilute it. While there is one race, the human race, I am still proud of my predominately African ancestry.

It seems to me that there is a constant attempt to narrow the definition of what it means to be black by non-black people, while broadening the definition of what it means to be white and/or creating new racial classifications altogether, i.e. multiracial.

With respect to Black people why is it not sufficient to say that a person who’s ancestors came from the African continent, be it from west north south or east is Black? Yet the blackness of Ethiopians, Egyptians, and other north and east African peoples is constantly in dispute. Now, some are even disputing the blackness of light African Americans with two predominately black parents, i.e., Vanessa Williams.

I have yet to hear the whiteness of Italian-Americans, Greek Americans, Spanish, or Portuguese come under dispute. Why is that? Why is no one disputing the whiteness of people like Angelina Jolie, John Tuturro, Benjamin Bratt, Minnie Driver, Jessica Alba or other white celebrities who have thick features, darker skin, or curly hair?

Where are the discussions about “Black-Europe” when it comes to the dark complexioned peoples of Sicily and Spain?

Do you know why this doesn't happen? Because there is a stigma against blackness that is nearly as old as time itself. There is something "wrong" about being of African ancestry unfortunately for whites, blacks, and others. This is why biracial people and other people around the world with African ancestry want to distance themselves from their black heritage.

I think its pathetic and shameful. And no amount of race mixing, or sweeping the issue under the table is going to change things. The devaluing of Africa heritage and the overvaluation of whiteness should be faced head on. Until then, nothing will change.

[Asmara]

Donalda wrote:

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I disagree. I find my ethnicity very relevant and I am exasperated by people like you trying to discount it and dilute it. While there is one race, the human race, I am still proud of my predominately African ancestry...

And what statement of mine exactly are you disagreeing with again? My point was that mixed race people should not trivialize their african ancestry... may children of the african diaspora have some degree of native american or european ancestry... but we still consider them black regardless of their skin tone. Contrary to what most people believe race and ethnicity os not based on skin color and physical attributes alone so the fact that some black people-- whether mixed race or not happen to be born with ivory-like skin or perhaps a thin pointy nose does not make them "white". I have pale skin, naturally wavy hair and a thin nose... but I am still black.

The term "black" does not just refer to native africans but to all descendants of the diaspora regardless of racial mixing or not. African Americans are black, Caribbean people are black, Afro-Hispanics are black.

That was the point I was trying to make with the rhetorical question in my previous post...

"at what point are african genes no longer considered african... at what point do they become irrelevant?"

Denial is always wrong.

[Donalda]

Asmara wrote:

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And what statement of mine exactly are you disagreeing with again? My point was that mixed race people should not trivialize their african ancestry... may children of the african diaspora have some degree of native american or european ancestry... but we still consider them black regardless of their skin tone. Contrary to what most people believe race and ethnicity os not based on skin color and physical attributes alone so the fact that some black people-- whether mixed race or not happen to be born with ivory-like skin or perhaps a thin pointy nose does not make them "white". I have pale skin, naturally wavy hair and a thin nose... but I am still black.
The term "black" does not just refer to native africans but to all descendants of the diaspora regardless of racial mixing or not. African Americans are black, Caribbean people are black, Afro-Hispanics are black.
That was the point I was trying to make with the rhetorical question in my previous post...
"at what point are african genes no longer considered african... at what point do they become irrelevant?"
Denial is always wrong.

My bad. For some reason I read your opening statement as discounting Africaness as as a distinct ethnic classification.

We are in agreement then that people's of the diaspora are black by virtue of their ancestors originating from Africa.

[mnm]

I am 3/4 white and 1/4 afro-latino, and I fill out other or multicultural in job aplications. I feel that I'm right like the other people mentioned. I would be lying if I filled out white only. My brother does this because he is very white and does not appear to be mixed, but he is still wrong.