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#50 Aug 6, 2013
In 1974 a Symposium was held in Cairo Egypt by UNESCO and twenty Egyptology were invited to attend ,of the twenty one black Egyptologist and a black Linguist were in attendance...
The committee ask the participants to submitt working papers as to what race did these people belong too..
The eighteen non black Egyptologist submitted their papers consisting of just theories...
Dr.Obanga who was a linguist submitted his paper consisting of a European, Mediterranean and Asiatic languages which were compared to the old Kemetic language and it was shown that there was no connection what so ever with the old Kemetic language ... Next Dr.Obanga compared the old Ethiopian,and Nubian languages to the old Kemtic language and was able to illustrate their root words were all the same..
Next Dr. C.A Diop submitted his working paper which was called the "Melanin Dosage Test" .. He had attain tissue samples from an ancient Kemetic mummy and with chemicals and ultra violet light he was to count the amount of Melanin in the tissue...He concluded that European,Asian or Mediterranean people had to levels of Melanin...
The two black Doctors sat back and waited three days for the challenge from the other participants , it never came...
UNESCO dismiss the other working papers and concluded that these people belong to the Hamitic race.

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#51 Aug 6, 2013
"African Presence in Early Europe"

by Ivan Van Sertima

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#52 Aug 6, 2013
TBARRY47 wrote:
I'm sure this will get the most thumbs down of every comment under your post but the Phoenicians were black. If you have a Bible and look in the Table of Nations in Genesis it will allude to this fact. Under the Table of Nations in the Bible they descend from Canaan but are called Sidonians by the Bible. They still identified by their tribal name of Canaan. Canaan in the Bible was the fourth son of Ham/Khem, the father of the black races of Africa. The Sidonians/Canaanites were actually called Phoenicians by the Greeks because it is the Sidonians who gave the Greeks the Alphabet, which I think is a large part of why people don't want to believe they were black. They were also the ancestors of the Carthaginians.
So they weren't Aryans. Moreover Homer and Herodotus said that that region of the world at that time was inhabited by Kushites well before they began mixing with Greeks and Romans. There are places in the Middle East with cities that begin with the suffix Kush like Kushistan where the Iraq/Iran war was fought and the Hindu Kush mountain range in Afghanistan. The Hamitic/Black races were all considered Kushitic back then. As far as what language they spoke, according to the Bible they were Hamitic but, spoke a Semitic language. But Semitic, Kushitic, Arabic and Egyptian are all part of the same language family.
So, the ANCIENT Phoenicians were black but after centuries of migration and integration, much like the Egyptians, Indians, Moors, Berbers, The Horn of Africa and the rest of the "Middle East" they have come to be classified as white to satisfy certain political, social, economic and racial agendas. And they were from pre-Semitic inhabitants of northern Palestine and Lebanon not Syria. You don't have to trust me, just look at all the relevant sources.
Try this website: It's a good place to start.
http://nelcg.org/news/wp-content/uploads
Source(s):
Reading books.
Wrong. The Mideast did not start out “black”, unless you're referring to the very first migrations in, OOA. Long before historic times, the Mideasterners were all of type J with other types mixed in. African E was mixed in by the Natufians, but in small %.

The Canaanites, Phoenicians and Hebrews all came from the same proto-Canaanite ancestors, going by their languages which are all 3 closely related. They are the people of the Levant. They were then as they are now... of Mideastern type, not “black”.

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#54 Aug 6, 2013
(( ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE)).
6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.

8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.

10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,

12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city.

13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,

14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim,(out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.

15 And Canaan begat Sidon his first born, and Heth,

16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,

17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,

18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.

19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.

20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.

So the Phoenicians are descendant of the Canaanites ,while the LANGUAGE they spoke was Semitic ...

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#55 Aug 6, 2013
TBARRY47 wrote:
(( ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE)).
6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.
7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.
8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.
10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city.
13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,
14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim,(out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.
15 And Canaan begat Sidon his first born, and Heth,
16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,
17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,
18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.
19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.
20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.
So the Phoenicians are descendant of the Canaanites ,while the LANGUAGE they spoke was Semitic ...
You cannot reconstruct ancient peoples' relationships using Biblical geneologies. From what time period are those very old ones, involving Noah's sons and their sons? Those stories are in the category of MYTH because they were passed down for so long orally.

Canaanites were J2 Semites, closely related to Phoenicians and Hebrews. They were not black, though they did have African admixture due to the absorption of the Natufians in pre-Neolithic times.

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#56 Aug 6, 2013
TBARRY47 wrote:
"The Nile Valley Contribution to Civilization" by
Anthony T. Browder , Vol # 1 ..
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"The African Origins of Civilization ,Myth or Reality" .. By Cheikh Anta Diop.
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"African Presence in Early Asia"...
by Runoko Rashidi .
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"African Presence in Early Europe"
by Ivan Van Sertima
Ridiculous Afronazi sources. At least the last 2... I'm not familiar with the first. Rashidi and van Sertima... LOL!!! Ludicrous charlatans.

Rashidi claims that Angkor was built by black people! LOL!!!

van Sertima never published in a peer-reviewed journal... he was a fraud.

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#57 Aug 6, 2013
Talking about the HEBREWS ,according to the "Melanin Dosage Test" its has been proven that the Ancient KEMITIC aka Egyptians were Black... The BIBLE itself will fully agree with this in Gen.10:13 which illustrates MIZRAIM as the Father of KEMET aka Egypt...
In the MOSES story ,who was raised in the house of the Pharaoh=(great house)the King himself "could not tell" the difference between MOSES who was a HEBREW and his own people,had the Pharaoh found out that a HEBREW was living in his house ,MOSES would have been executed .. The only way the woman who found him in a basket could tell what Moses's ethnic group was , she recognized that he was "circumcised" which was a HEBREW practice not a African practice..
The cloth that YOU saw in the movie was a Hollywood trick to dupe you, there's no such thing in the BIBLE..!
The old HEBREWS were as dark and black as the old Egyptians ...

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#58 Aug 6, 2013
TBARRY47 wrote:
Talking about the HEBREWS ,according to the "Melanin Dosage Test" its has been proven that the Ancient KEMITIC aka Egyptians were Black... The BIBLE itself will fully agree with this in Gen.10:13 which illustrates MIZRAIM as the Father of KEMET aka Egypt...
In the MOSES story ,who was raised in the house of the Pharaoh=(great house)the King himself "could not tell" the difference between MOSES who was a HEBREW and his own people,had the Pharaoh found out that a HEBREW was living in his house ,MOSES would have been executed .. The only way the woman who found him in a basket could tell what Moses's ethnic group was , she recognized that he was "circumcised" which was a HEBREW practice not a African practice..
The cloth that YOU saw in the movie was a Hollywood trick to dupe you, there's no such thing in the BIBLE..!
The old HEBREWS were as dark and black as the old Egyptians ...
I don't get my data from Hollywood.

Suddenly you're talking about Egypt. The Badarian culture, and predynastic Upper Egypt, have preserved human and cultural remains which have Nubian affinities. Black.

But Hebrews? No. And the Hebrews were enslaved in the Sinai and in Lower Egypt, where there were plenty of Eurasians. Egypt was mixed.

Get your grubby greasy Afronazi racist cultish paws off other peoples' histories and legacies!
Beer Belly Bobs Ghost

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#59 Aug 6, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
Then how do you explain that the oldest civilization known was in SE Europe? And in fact was one of the major roots of both Minoan and Greek civilization?
Pendejo.
No link, no listen.

:)
Gms

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#60 Aug 6, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't get my data from Hollywood.
Suddenly you're talking about Egypt. The Badarian culture, and predynastic Upper Egypt, have preserved human and cultural remains which have Nubian affinities. Black.
But Hebrews? No. And the Hebrews were enslaved in the Sinai and in Lower Egypt, where there were plenty of Eurasians. Egypt was mixed.
Get your grubby greasy Afronazi racist cultish paws off other peoples' histories and legacies!
You are definetly African Ae
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#61 Aug 6, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't get my data from Hollywood.
Suddenly you're talking about Egypt. The Badarian culture, and predynastic Upper Egypt, have preserved human and cultural remains which have Nubian affinities. Black.
But Hebrews? No. And the Hebrews were enslaved in the Sinai and in Lower Egypt, where there were plenty of Eurasians. Egypt was mixed.
Get your grubby greasy Afronazi racist cultish paws off other peoples' histories and legacies!
You make the gross mistake of thinking that in an over 3000 year time span the racial mix of a society does not change. Yes, you are right that during the time Hebrews were enslaved in Egypt that the racial admixture was varied but you also have to understand that by that time Egypt had been a civilization for well over 1500 years.

Just look at how much a nation can diversify in less then 600 years if it becomes a destination for peoples around the globe to emigrate to. The racial diversity in America is constantly changing and just from one generation to the next. Ancient Egypt was the first and still the longest lasting epicenter nation the world has ever known so to think that people from far and wide didnt change the racial admixture is ridiculous.

But if we go to the roots of Ancient Egypt and look at the first several centuries before, and during the period known as the old kingdom we see a black peoples. The ancient scholars and historians such as Herodotus described them as such. Also, the Egyptians themselves say they came from lands to the south, namely Ethiopia, and Sudan. Meknes who was the first of all pharaohs and the one credited for uniting upper and lower Egypt is said to be from Nubia.

If anybody cared to look at art work depicting Egyptians from the old kingdom they would un mistakenly recognize them as people of color that we today would consider black. The Egyptians from the time of the pyramids were also clearly of East African descent.

As the centuries wore on they became more diverse and by the time of Cleopatra they were almost unrecognizable as Egyptian in comparison to 3000 years prior to her time. Just like Americans are unrecognizable to the Americans of 1000 years ago.

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#62 Aug 6, 2013
TBARRY47 wrote:
Talking about the HEBREWS ,according to the "Melanin Dosage Test" its has been proven that the Ancient KEMITIC aka Egyptians were Black... The BIBLE itself will fully agree with this in Gen.10:13 which illustrates MIZRAIM as the Father of KEMET aka Egypt...
In the MOSES story ,who was raised in the house of the Pharaoh=(great house)the King himself "could not tell" the difference between MOSES who was a HEBREW and his own people,had the Pharaoh found out that a HEBREW was living in his house ,MOSES would have been executed .. The only way the woman who found him in a basket could tell what Moses's ethnic group was , she recognized that he was "circumcised" which was a HEBREW practice not a African practice..
The cloth that YOU saw in the movie was a Hollywood trick to dupe you, there's no such thing in the BIBLE..!
The old HEBREWS were as dark and black as the old Egyptians ...
I'm not saying that these dark and even black HEBREW's came out of the same line as the Hametic aka Egyptians did .. Its known they came out of the line of Shem according to the BIBLE..
Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born.

22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.

23 And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.

24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber.

25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

26 And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah,

27 And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah,

28 And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba,

29 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were the sons of Joktan.

30 And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest unto Sephar a mount of the east.

31 These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.

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#63 Aug 6, 2013
Its a fact that in the "latter part" of the Kemetic aka Egyptian history peoples began to mix but in their middle and old period you can't link any foreign blood lines to any royal house ...
Its the latter part of the country's history we find the half blooded Cleopatra along with her brother Ptolemy . Neither one's bloodline can be link to any royal house of the former periods..

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#64 Aug 6, 2013
Remember, history is NOT about people being in a place,history is about people doing things to bring civilization forward...

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#65 Aug 6, 2013
Beer Belly Bobs Ghost wrote:
<quoted text>No link, no listen.
:)
Google Vinca, Cucuteni-Tripolye, etc., dumbass.

As if you don't know about these... as I linked a whole passel of articles.

Liar.

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#66 Aug 6, 2013
TBARRY47 wrote:
Its a fact that in the "latter part" of the Kemetic aka Egyptian history peoples began to mix but in their middle and old period you can't link any foreign blood lines to any royal house ...
Its the latter part of the country's history we find the half blooded Cleopatra along with her brother Ptolemy . Neither one's bloodline can be link to any royal house of the former periods..
Egyptian civilization began in Upper Egypt, among black people. But there were Eurasians already mixed in, in Lower Egypt, and throughout Egypt's long history it was a mixed society, long before the Greeks (Ptolemies) got there.

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#67 Aug 6, 2013
Beer Belly Bobs Ghost wrote:
<quoted text>You make the gross mistake of thinking that in an over 3000 year time span the racial mix of a society does not change. Yes, you are right that during the time Hebrews were enslaved in Egypt that the racial admixture was varied but you also have to understand that by that time Egypt had been a civilization for well over 1500 years.
Just look at how much a nation can diversify in less then 600 years if it becomes a destination for peoples around the globe to emigrate to. The racial diversity in America is constantly changing and just from one generation to the next. Ancient Egypt was the first and still the longest lasting epicenter nation the world has ever known so to think that people from far and wide didnt change the racial admixture is ridiculous.
But if we go to the roots of Ancient Egypt and look at the first several centuries before, and during the period known as the old kingdom we see a black peoples. The ancient scholars and historians such as Herodotus described them as such. Also, the Egyptians themselves say they came from lands to the south, namely Ethiopia, and Sudan. Meknes who was the first of all pharaohs and the one credited for uniting upper and lower Egypt is said to be from Nubia.
If anybody cared to look at art work depicting Egyptians from the old kingdom they would un mistakenly recognize them as people of color that we today would consider black. The Egyptians from the time of the pyramids were also clearly of East African descent.
As the centuries wore on they became more diverse and by the time of Cleopatra they were almost unrecognizable as Egyptian in comparison to 3000 years prior to her time. Just like Americans are unrecognizable to the Americans of 1000 years ago.
Oh but you babble in vain because I do know that populations can change, but nonetheless the bulk of most populations remain indigenous despite immigration.

In the case of Egypt, Lower Egyptians, who were partly Eurasians already, and assorted immigrants (Persians, Hebrews, Hyksos, Greeks, etc.) did increasingly mix with Upper Egyptians over time.

When you say “black” with the USA meaning, then a ¼ African Egyptian would be “black” to us. In any case, clearly Egypt was mixed, though I think it is clear that the civilization emerged, arose, evolved, in Upper Egypt among mostly black people. Lower Egypt assimilated to this civilization, very early, with unification.

While Lower Egypt had been mixed African-Eurasian for a long time, I think it is obvious from the archaeological data that Upper Egyptian Neolithics were of African (“black”) type.

And it's not like they are not black today. I've seen on videos and met in person a lot of Egyptians who look like they're part African. I'm told that if you go to the city of Aswan, nearly everyone is black.
OnlyPatchWork

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#68 Aug 6, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
Then how do you explain that the oldest civilization known was in SE Europe? And in fact was one of the major roots of both Minoan and Greek civilization?
Pendejo.
I think it is likely that Vinca culture was a Proto-Greek civilization I mean it was right there & advanced in the similar area as where the Mycenaean Greek civilization started!!

Mycenaean had Linear B writing rather early on & very close in regional proximity & also stye to the Vinca related Dispillio tablet!!!
OnlyPatchWork

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#69 Aug 6, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
Google Vinca, Cucuteni-Tripolye, etc., dumbass.
As if you don't know about these... as I linked a whole passel of articles.
Liar.
7,300 Dispilio tablet from North Greece

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aydwGBvQrpc/UAbOOAX...

3,400 year old Linear B tablet from North Greece

http://www.sicher.org/wordpress/wp-content/up...

Both only perhaps a matter of not much more or less than 100 Kilometers apart.

Yet..... Dispilio tablet is more than twice as pld
&
THERE IS A CLEAR RESEMBLANCE you can see the same kind of symbols in Dispilio tablet as Linear B

We can see the resemblance of Dispilio with other Vinca tablets.

It all fits closely with Modern Greek & Phoenician alphabet too!!

Linear A & B are awefully similar to Greek writing & Phoenician alphabet too
obamaluvswhitedi ck

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#70 Aug 6, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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There were various civilizations which arose from indigenous roots in Africa, you racist halfwit.
However, African civilization was not the origin of all civilization on earth. Civilization did not diffuse everywhere from Africa; it developed indigenously also on other continents.
In poofrica yes, but not quite like you insinuate. Egypt was not black and therefore was not a black civilization. Babylonians were not black. Neither were the Sumerians, Arabs, jews, Hitites, Abraham, Jesus, or any of the other desperate black revisionist stories that have been fabricated to give the veneer of being equal participants in the advancement of humanity.

Just because a great civilization existed in the land of poo-skins it doesn't mean the upright primates with their banjo lips and nappy hair were involved in any meaningful way beyond having equality with oxen, donkeys and other beasts of burden.

Blacks have never created anything meaningful. They are like cockroaches. They are a cosmic folly left among the more able races (White, Asian, Arab) who are left with a reminder of what it means to wallow in pre-historic ignorance.

Halfwit? No. Racist? Yes! Quite proud of it too.

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