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“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#90 Jan 24, 2013
DeeQueen wrote:
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Thanks for clarifying this Dkanela. Imagine if Diaspora would unite around Africa, the change they would bring about on the continent!
Personally, I don't think the Diaspora has that kind of power or even will.

Africans are going to have to unify themselves. Waiting, wanting, or thinking Diasporans will or even can unify you, I feel, is naive.

Everybody seems to think that AA's are the most powerful diasporan group.

Well, among AA's, there is relatively little unity. You see more unity among African immigrants and even Caribbean immigrants than AA's who've been here since the beginning.

Just take my city for example:

Oakland, and probably the Bay Area at large, has a higher proportion of high-income earning and educated Blacks than most cities in the US, including LA, Atlanta, and New York.

The only region that really has us beat is DC.

Yet, even with this, there are very few Black owned businesses here. There are practically no Black business districts. No Black owned' schools.

Blacks here are pretty much just like all the other Blacks around the country, which is to say, they are at the bottom of the economic ladder, and the most likely to commit crime/violence, etc.

There is no real "Black consciousness" here. You don't see too much white butt-kissin', except if you go to more "integrated" areas like Berkeley or Alameda, but you still don't see any real progress, and many Blacks are moving out of the bay, sometimes to move to less expensive suburbs, and sometimes to move out of the state, usually to the south, thinking there will be greater job opportunities.

Meanwhile, you have Asians, Hispanics, and even immigrants from Ethiopia/Eritrea coming here and starting businesses.

Their population is growing while AA's is sinking.

I don't see what the point would be in expecting Diasporans to unify Africans.

You all seem much more united than we do from where I'm standing, unless of course, you were referring to non-AA's.

Level 3

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#92 Jan 24, 2013
The continent of Africa is not yet ready for conventional democracy; there are too many differences between various countries. Even where there is untold wealth in Africa, the indigenous population see none of it. And, there are too many other nations with their own agenda in Africa

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#93 Jan 24, 2013
Ethio wrote:
<quoted text> That is not how we do things in Africa. Women can be appointed to higher positions such as CEO, Chairperson, Minister, et cetera. But they must know their place. The male is the leader of the pride, always.
Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma, former wife of Jacob G. Zuma has never been the president of South Africa.
You are right about the rest.
You're right, I meant of home affairs.

As far as women knowing their place, I'm like this, if a no progress is being made with male leadership, and the male leaders there are are more likely to be corrupt than not, then a change needs to be made for the greater good.

Personally, I find it shameful woman is the only one who is willing to make proper changes in Africa. Those sorry ass male heads running things now, need to get ran the hell out of there..

If it's going to take a woman, or women, to do what needs to be done in Africa, that that is who Africa needs more of to lead it into peace and prosperity. Bottom line.

What and who is best for Africa is all that matters at the end of the day.

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#94 Jan 24, 2013
bethethio wrote:
The continent of Africa is not yet ready for conventional democracy; there are too many differences between various countries. Even where there is untold wealth in Africa, the indigenous population see none of it. And, there are too many other nations with their own agenda in Africa
That so called "conventional democracy is a bunch of horse dung, pushed on African countries by the west to make them more easily controlled and exploited.

The west doesn't really give a damn about African people, they just want to siphon their goods, but this can only happen, and made to look relatively "clean" if the people heading these countries are puppets for the west. Puppets are bought and funded by the west and given a commission of whatever European-run country takes from their land in the form of natural resources, meanwhile all the people suffer and nothing gets done to help them.

When Gaddafi ran Libya, it was a dictatorship, not a so called "conventional democracy, yet it was the most prosperous country in Africa, with the highest GDP per capita income and the highest standard of living.

He was probably the best leader in Africa since people like Mandella, Nkrumah, etc. The west hated him because he had his own agenda, which was to ultimately free Africa from Western rule and manipulation, so they had to kill him.

For the most part, I would say that any program that the Western countries are trying to "push" in Africa's face needs to be carefully examined as questioned as to why an implementation of such a program seems to be so concerning for Western agencies.

These people are so worried about democracy but all these so called democratic nations are poor and suffering the most, so obviously democracy is not serving as any kind of cure for anything, especially not things like starvation, diseases, and whatnot, yet the west keeps pushing for it.

These are the kinds of thing you have the look at and question the intentions of the West and other people who push these meaningless, if not crippling agendas.

“Leading the Revolution”

Level 6

Since: Oct 09

United States

#95 Jan 24, 2013
Bakari

Sadly you're correct most AA are not going to open businesses or even become interested in unity. Oakland CA, home of the Original Black Panthers For Self Defense, if AA would just look back at what they were able to accomplish in a relatively short amount of time, then maybe unity is possible. AA need something to get motivated about, ideology has to be a part, black consciousness another. Haiti becoming part of the AU wasn't news worthy, and wasn't on most AA news outlets. Honestly, the best way to build African unity is through civic organizations such as churches mosque and temple's.

I do believe in 20 years, most AA will have a family member or friend who has visited Africa, maybe in 30years, we'll have many family member's living in Africa.

I think Dee Queen has a valid point, with a united African voice, it will become much easier to attract more of us diasporians. Maybe I'm just being naive!!
Lightning

Alexandria, VA

#96 Jan 24, 2013
DeeQueen wrote:
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That would have stopped Europe, but it didn't, did it...?
The heartland of europe could fit in west Africa. The African continent is 4x the size of Europe. also Europe is bless with geography: it is after all a bloody peninsula and interconnect by navigable river and channels. communication is easier among Europeans they only have 2 script: Latin and Cyrillic and 4 major language families Roman, germanic, Slavic and Greek. what more Europeans are mostly christian and their royal family were inbreeding for century. Contrast that with Africa, Africa big and stretch out. the sahara separate the north from the south and rain-forests separate west from south and east. Africa it had long winding river most of which are in-navigable . And instead of a few script Africa has dozens and huge language family lump together by Europeans. thus it is understandable why it difficult to establish a united states of Africa. the centre of the problem is that Africans don't really trade with each other. African export to outside and continent and import from outside the continent. region integration like the east African community are really in their infantile stage forget about anything grander. furthermore I really hate it when African leader make these kind of statement: it a PR stunt mend to appeal to their people without lifting a finger to make this dream a reality. it cost nothing for Mugabe to make this kind of statement and everything if a president was elect because that would eat away at this hold on power.

Level 6

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#97 Jan 24, 2013
dkanela wrote:
Bakari
Sadly you're correct most AA are not going to open businesses or even become interested in unity. Oakland CA, home of the Original Black Panthers For Self Defense, if AA would just look back at what they were able to accomplish in a relatively short amount of time, then maybe unity is possible. AA need something to get motivated about, ideology has to be a part, black consciousness another. Haiti becoming part of the AU wasn't news worthy, and wasn't on most AA news outlets. Honestly, the best way to build African unity is through civic organizations such as churches mosque and temple's.
I do believe in 20 years, most AA will have a family member or friend who has visited Africa, maybe in 30years, we'll have many family member's living in Africa.
I think Dee Queen has a valid point, with a united African voice, it will become much easier to attract more of us diasporians. Maybe I'm just being naive!!
black unity in america is impossible because white devils will always want to degrade black race.
THE REAL BLACK UNITY MUST START FROM AFRICA
IF THE AFRICANS FIND UNITY AA WILL FIND THE UNITY
Giggs

Oldham, UK

#98 Jan 24, 2013
Ethio wrote:
<quoted text> I do not know how many times I should tell you mutant abominations that you haven't helped Africans with anything. You animals have only destroyed everything pure that you have ever touched. There isn't a race on this planet you have terroristed. Africa and Africans were here before you deformed into disgusting genetically inferior mutants, and we will be here longer after you are gone. Alpha and Omega!
HAHAHAHA!

Yesssssssssss!

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