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Feb 25, 2013
 
Feds will Force Businesses to Give Hiring Priority to Felons.

A federal policy intended to help minorities is likely to have the opposite effect.

By JAMES BOVARD

Should it be a federal crime for businesses to refuse to hire ex-convicts? Yes, according to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which recently released 20,000 convoluted words of regulatory "guidance" to direct businesses to hire more felons and other ex-offenders.

In the late 1970s, the EEOC began stretching Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act to sue businesses for practically any hiring practice that adversely affected minorities. In 1989, the agency sued Carolina Freight Carrier Corp. of Hollywood, Fla., for refusing to hire as a truck driver a Hispanic man who had multiple arrests and had served 18 months in prison for larceny. The EEOC argued that the only legitimate qualification for the job was the ability to operate a tractor trailer.

U.S. District Judge Jose Alejandro Gonzalez Jr., in ruling against the agency, said: "EEOC's position that minorities should be held to lower standards is an insult to millions of honest Hispanics. Obviously a rule refusing honest employment to convicted applicants is going to have a disparate impact upon thieves."

The EEOC ignored that judicial thrashing and pressed on. Last April, the agency unveiled its "Enforcement Guidance on the Consideration of arrest and Conviction Records in Employment Decisions," declaring that "criminal record exclusions have a disparate impact based on race and national origin."

Though blacks make up only 13% of the U.S. population, more blacks were arrested nationwide for robbery, murder and manslaughter in 2009 than whites, according to the FBI. The imprisonment rate for black men "was nearly 7 times higher than White men and almost 3 times higher than Hispanic men," notes the EEOC. These statistical disparities inspired the EEOC to rewrite the corporate hiring handbook to level the playing field between "protected groups" and the rest of the workforce.

Most businesses perform criminal background checks on job applicants, but the EEOC guidance frowns on such checks and creates new legal tripwires that could spark federal lawsuits. One EEOC commissioner who opposed the new policy, Constance Barker, warned in April that "the only real impact the new Guidance will have will be to scare business owners from ever conducting criminal background checks.... The Guidance tells them that they are taking a tremendous risk if they do."
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All because more felons tend to be minorities. Now they get preferential treatment. What's the world coming to?

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Well they know whites hardly get arrested or convicted for their share of crime. They know that, because they're the ones that allow it to happen.

Blk men get profiled way more even though it's been proven that white men are more likely to be found with contraband when stopped. That's been proven.

Also, there's been studies that WHITE FELONS will get hired over black men with no record.

Sociology Professor Devah Pager has been studying the problems ex-convicts face looking for a job. As a graduate student at the University of Wisconsin in the 1990s, she made a disturbing discovery: It is easier for a white person with a felony conviction to get a job than for an African-American person with no criminal record.

Pager, now at Princeton University, recently conducted a study in New York City along with Professor Bruce Western. The study, titled “Discrimination in Low Wage Labor Markets,” was funded in part by the National Science Foundation.

Pager and Western found strong evidence of hiring discrimination by New York employers against male job-seekers who were African American or of another oppressed nationality as compared to white men.
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Well they know whites hardly get arrested or convicted for their share of crime. They know that, because they're the ones that allow it to happen.
Blk men get profiled way more even though it's been proven that white men are more likely to be found with contraband when stopped. That's been proven.
Also, there's been studies that WHITE FELONS will get hired over black men with no record.
Sociology Professor Devah Pager has been studying the problems ex-convicts face looking for a job. As a graduate student at the University of Wisconsin in the 1990s, she made a disturbing discovery: It is easier for a white person with a felony conviction to get a job than for an African-American person with no criminal record.
Pager, now at Princeton University, recently conducted a study in New York City along with Professor Bruce Western. The study, titled “Discrimination in Low Wage Labor Markets,” was funded in part by the National Science Foundation.
Pager and Western found strong evidence of hiring discrimination by New York employers against male job-seekers who were African American or of another oppressed nationality as compared to white men.
....have u heard of affirmative action u dum b**ch?.....
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Feb 25, 2013
 
McAlister73 wrote:
Feds will Force Businesses to Give Hiring Priority to Felons.
A federal policy intended to help minorities is likely to have the opposite effect.
By JAMES BOVARD
Should it be a federal crime for businesses to refuse to hire ex-convicts? Yes, according to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which recently released 20,000 convoluted words of regulatory "guidance" to direct businesses to hire more felons and other ex-offenders.
In the late 1970s, the EEOC began stretching Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act to sue businesses for practically any hiring practice that adversely affected minorities. In 1989, the agency sued Carolina Freight Carrier Corp. of Hollywood, Fla., for refusing to hire as a truck driver a Hispanic man who had multiple arrests and had served 18 months in prison for larceny. The EEOC argued that the only legitimate qualification for the job was the ability to operate a tractor trailer.
U.S. District Judge Jose Alejandro Gonzalez Jr., in ruling against the agency, said: "EEOC's position that minorities should be held to lower standards is an insult to millions of honest Hispanics. Obviously a rule refusing honest employment to convicted applicants is going to have a disparate impact upon thieves."
The EEOC ignored that judicial thrashing and pressed on. Last April, the agency unveiled its "Enforcement Guidance on the Consideration of arrest and Conviction Records in Employment Decisions," declaring that "criminal record exclusions have a disparate impact based on race and national origin."
Though blacks make up only 13% of the U.S. population, more blacks were arrested nationwide for robbery, murder and manslaughter in 2009 than whites, according to the FBI. The imprisonment rate for black men "was nearly 7 times higher than White men and almost 3 times higher than Hispanic men," notes the EEOC. These statistical disparities inspired the EEOC to rewrite the corporate hiring handbook to level the playing field between "protected groups" and the rest of the workforce.
Most businesses perform criminal background checks on job applicants, but the EEOC guidance frowns on such checks and creates new legal tripwires that could spark federal lawsuits. One EEOC commissioner who opposed the new policy, Constance Barker, warned in April that "the only real impact the new Guidance will have will be to scare business owners from ever conducting criminal background checks.... The Guidance tells them that they are taking a tremendous risk if they do."
http://thebeerbarrel.net/threads/feds-will-fo...
All because more felons tend to be minorities. Now they get preferential treatment. What's the world coming to?
Wish it were so!

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Aziya Shines wrote:
Well they know whites hardly get arrested or convicted for their share of crime. They know that, because they're the ones that allow it to happen.
Blk men get profiled way more even though it's been proven that white men are more likely to be found with contraband when stopped. That's been proven.
Also, there's been studies that WHITE FELONS will get hired over black men with no record.
Sociology Professor Devah Pager has been studying the problems ex-convicts face looking for a job. As a graduate student at the University of Wisconsin in the 1990s, she made a disturbing discovery: It is easier for a white person with a felony conviction to get a job than for an African-American person with no criminal record.
Pager, now at Princeton University, recently conducted a study in New York City along with Professor Bruce Western. The study, titled “Discrimination in Low Wage Labor Markets,” was funded in part by the National Science Foundation.
Pager and Western found strong evidence of hiring discrimination by New York employers against male job-seekers who were African American or of another oppressed nationality as compared to white men.
I was about too come in here & mention this because I have read this before. If jobs do not discriminate against white convicts, why discriminate against non-white convicts?? Why NOT hire any convicts if they are such a threat??
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man being white must be great man you can rob a bank and still get a job.. that must be so cool..
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blacks don't even need money they can just perform raids on stores..

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<quoted text>It's called the type of crime and how long your damn rap sheet is moron. You fcks look for any excuse on why you can't get a job. Like try showing up with out you fcking pants around your knees in a hoodie and with chains just flying around and the most important thing is speak like a damn human you fcking pisant. Oh and try not acting a gangter dumbazz.
You have no idea what ur talkin' about since you're NOT lookin' at the records of those applying for jobs.

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<quoted text>It's called the type of crime and how long your damn rap sheet is moron. You fcks look for any excuse on why you can't get a job. Like try showing up with out you fcking pants around your knees in a hoodie and with chains just flying around and the most important thing is speak like a damn human you fcking pisant. Oh and try not acting a gangter dumbazz.
wtf are u talking about? White felons will get hired over blk men with no criminal record at all.
you're the one making excuses. Like try learning how to comprehend what you read?
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WHY Negro's CAN'T BE PARAMEDICS Tyrone and Jamal are out in the woods hunting when suddenly Tyrone grabs his chest and falls to the ground. He doesn't seem to be breathing; his eyes are rolled back in his head.

Jamal whips out his Obama phone and calls 911. He gasps to the operator,'I think Tyrone is dead! What should I do?'

The operator, in a calm soothing voice says,'Just take it easy and follow my instructions. First, let's make sure he's dead.'

There is a silence. And then a gun shot is heard.

Jamal's voice comes back on the line,'Okay... Now what?

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<quoted text>I work in HR you moron, so I know what I am talking about. Now for example on an application are you going to use the word ur and lookin? That's prove my point.
PLZ anyone can be what they want online. If convicts were such an issue, they wouldn't get hired over those who have no record. It is what it is.

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Aziya Shines wrote:
Well they know whites hardly get arrested or convicted for their share of crime. They know that, because they're the ones that allow it to happen.
Blk men get profiled way more even though it's been proven that white men are more likely to be found with contraband when stopped. That's been proven.
Also, there's been studies that WHITE FELONS will get hired over black men with no record.
Sociology Professor Devah Pager has been studying the problems ex-convicts face looking for a job. As a graduate student at the University of Wisconsin in the 1990s, she made a disturbing discovery: It is easier for a white person with a felony conviction to get a job than for an African-American person with no criminal record.
Pager, now at Princeton University, recently conducted a study in New York City along with Professor Bruce Western. The study, titled “Discrimination in Low Wage Labor Markets,” was funded in part by the National Science Foundation.
Pager and Western found strong evidence of hiring discrimination by New York employers against male job-seekers who were African American or of another oppressed nationality as compared to white men.
The fact is Blacks and Hispanics are more likely to commit crimes. Everyone knows this and I don't care how it sounds. There would proably be taking a bigger risk hiring them as opposed to White felons.

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<quoted text>The fact is Blacks and Hispanics are more likely to commit crimes. Everyone knows this and I don't care how it sounds. There would proably be taking a bigger risk hiring them as opposed to White felons.
how would you know whos more likely, if whites are not profiled as much, arrested or convicted for their share of crime, which has been proven over and over...
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So long as businesses can force these "ex" felons to wear cameras on them whenever they working, and have cameras pointing at them the whole time, paid for by all the individuals in government who passes such an idiotic law.

And when/if those "ex" felons commit crimes while working, those idiot individuals in the government who passed this stupid law shall be held accountable for putting this business at much higher risk in forcing them to hire "ex" felons. Those idiot individuals in government will be jailed and sued (for a lot of money, or all of their money) if the "ex" felon commits a crime while working for this business.

It's about *damn* time these pieces of trash individuals in government were held *directly accountable*- not the tax payer - for all the laws they put into place. Oh, then things will change... and fast.

The question is: "Do We The People, as a whole, have the brain and backbone enough to constantly protest in the streets until this comes to pass?"

Don't hold your breath...

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<quoted text>....have u heard of affirmative action u dum b**ch?.....
If affirmative action is true then why do Blacks still suffer from racial disparities in the United States? Why is it that Blacks are still discriminated against in finding jobs and employment? Plus, the US Supreme Court is already challenging affirmaitve action in colleges and univerisites and in California we have already done away with affirmative action so what are you talking about? And plus you live in the UK so you dont know anything about anything about how our system works because you dont live out here.

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The fact is Blacks and Hispanics are more likely to commit crimes. Everyone knows this and I don't care how it sounds. There would proably be taking a bigger risk hiring them as opposed to White felons.
How are White felons less risky than Black or Hispanic felons? Felons are FELONS. No matter what race.
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So long as businesses can force these "ex" felons to wear cameras on them whenever they working, and have cameras pointing at them the whole time, paid for by all the individuals in government who passes such an idiotic law.
And when/if those "ex" felons commit crimes while working, those idiot individuals in the government who passed this stupid law shall be held accountable for putting this business at much higher risk in forcing them to hire "ex" felons. Those idiot individuals in government will be jailed and sued (for a lot of money, or all of their money) if the "ex" felon commits a crime while working for this business.
It's about *damn* time these pieces of trash individuals in government were held *directly accountable*- not the tax payer - for all the laws they put into place. Oh, then things will change... and fast.
The question is: "Do We The People, as a whole, have the brain and backbone enough to constantly protest in the streets until this comes to pass?"
Don't hold your breath...
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Lots of people push education for felons. A college degree will get you nowhere if you are a felon. Non-Felons with degrees are having a hard time finding jobs. I'm a felon, 3.9 GPA, Deans list, Bachelors Degree, Etc, and can't pass a background check, or make it into an interview if I mark FELON on the application. Plus, I'm overqualified for McDonald's types of jobs, so no luck there either. Also, you cant make a living wage working as a hamburger slinger at Mc Ds. Maybe if you were a manager you could. So, you are going to have to have better job opportunities just to be able to survive. Some may say Start your own business and be SELF EMPLOYED. Well, in order to be self employed, you have to have MONEY to start a business, whether it be a brick and mortar business or Just a Landscaper who mows. Business and tools, and mowers, and insurance, and operating costs all cost MONEY. So where is a person who can't get a job supposed to get that money? Banks only give loans to those who don't need them. For example, those who have a lot of collateral to back up the loan. So, how is this felon supposed to fund this business? I guess he could try to do one BIG SCORE / Illegal Activity and then go legit. Of course that would mean that he / she would have to Rob, Steal, Burglarize, Deal drugs, commit fraud, or something worse to get that money to go legit. But hey, He/she just funded going into business for themselves the only way they could. Do you want to be the one that they have to rob to go Legit?
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No matter what your standpoint is on this topic there is something that you have to consider. The recidivism rate for felony offenders is high. That is in part due to the fact that those felons who would otherwise be productive citizens cannot find jobs and support themselves or their families. Giving low risk felons a chance at a new beginning, is a good incentive for felons not to re-offend, because, they know that if they do well during the 5 - 10 year period, they will have a chance at a good life. When people are pushed into a corner and they are out of options, they may do things that they would not normally do.
For example: if a persons family is hungry, and they cant get housing or jobs, that person may do something that they would never dream of doing had circumstances been different. It may be a bad choice, but between the choice of going hungry, being homeless and broke, and not being employable or eligible for state or government help, that person may have very limited choices to survive. They may take the point of view for example What am I supposed to do, I cant eat, I have no way to pay rent, I have no way to feed my family, I am not employable, I have 2 options, break the law to get money or lay down and DIE. Most likely they are not going to lie down and die. So then the cycle continues. A person, who made 1 mistake years ago, has now graduated up to more serious crimes. Then there is a good chance that, that person will probably evolve into a persistent felony offender. You can break a big part of this cycle by contacting your state representative. Tell them to present a Bill to the House of Representatives that would allow people with lesser felonies or Class D felonies to get their records expunged after 5 - 10 years of good behavior. We have done that here in Kentucky and are trying to get the Senate judicial Committee to make it a law. It has already passed the house of rep. The bill is called HB 64 if you want to look it up.

http://legiscan.com/KY/bill/HB64/2014

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/committee/standing/Jud%...
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McAlister73 wrote:
Feds will Force Businesses to Give Hiring Priority to Felons.
A federal policy intended to help minorities is likely to have the opposite effect.
By JAMES BOVARD
Should it be a federal crime for businesses to refuse to hire ex-convicts? Yes, according to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which recently released 20,000 convoluted words of regulatory "guidance" to direct businesses to hire more felons and other ex-offenders.
In the late 1970s, the EEOC began stretching Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act to sue businesses for practically any hiring practice that adversely affected minorities. In 1989, the agency sued Carolina Freight Carrier Corp. of Hollywood, Fla., for refusing to hire as a truck driver a Hispanic man who had multiple arrests and had served 18 months in prison for larceny. The EEOC argued that the only legitimate qualification for the job was the ability to operate a tractor trailer.
U.S. District Judge Jose Alejandro Gonzalez Jr., in ruling against the agency, said: "EEOC's position that minorities should be held to lower standards is an insult to millions of honest Hispanics. Obviously a rule refusing honest employment to convicted applicants is going to have a disparate impact upon thieves."
The EEOC ignored that judicial thrashing and pressed on. Last April, the agency unveiled its "Enforcement Guidance on the Consideration of arrest and Conviction Records in Employment Decisions," declaring that "criminal record exclusions have a disparate impact based on race and national origin."
Though blacks make up only 13% of the U.S. population, more blacks were arrested nationwide for robbery, murder and manslaughter in 2009 than whites, according to the FBI. The imprisonment rate for black men "was nearly 7 times higher than White men and almost 3 times higher than Hispanic men," notes the EEOC. These statistical disparities inspired the EEOC to rewrite the corporate hiring handbook to level the playing field between "protected groups" and the rest of the workforce.
Most businesses perform criminal background checks on job applicants, but the EEOC guidance frowns on such checks and creates new legal tripwires that could spark federal lawsuits. One EEOC commissioner who opposed the new policy, Constance Barker, warned in April that "the only real impact the new Guidance will have will be to scare business owners from ever conducting criminal background checks.... The Guidance tells them that they are taking a tremendous risk if they do."
http://thebeerbarrel.net/threads/feds-will-fo...
All because more felons tend to be minorities. Now they get preferential treatment. What's the world coming to?
Maceo

I doubt it, I knew 2 BM who had felonies and one who raped an underage girl and all 3 of them are gone. It was brought to the attention of folks and they rid of them!

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