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#61794 May 1, 2013
Abraham ben Mordecai Farissol.Farissol was a contemporary of Columbus. His “Letters from all the world,” a cosmographic and geographic work composed in Ferrera in 1524, circulated widely in manuscript It is the earliest Hebrew work containing a description of America. Farissol’s pioneering work on geography treats the continents, climatic zones, and individual countries of the earth in its first section. In the second part, he addresses the new discoveries made by the Portuguese and Spanish, combining factual reportage on Vasco da Gama’s journey to India with speculation on the real world location of the Earthly Paradise, as described in the Book of Genesis. The chapter on America synthesizes available accounts on the land and people. This is the first translation into Latin of Farissol’s work, with broad and learned commentary by Thomas Hyde, the Oxford Hebraist, who was editor and translator. The publication of this work in 1691, when the debate about the presumed Jewish origins of the Native Americans was still very much alive (See Section on Jewish Indians), made this edition even more important. The earliest explorers identified the indigenous American peoples comfortably as far-flung east Asians. But as it became manifest that the Americas were a new and uncharted part of the world, new theories developed as to the origins of the “Indians”. The temptation was strong to find ancient connections, whether in the writings of classical antiquity or the mysteries of the Old Testament. Spanish observers were the first to begin cataloging lists of practices by indigenous peoples that evoked Jewish customs they even made up lies. While the Spaniards turned away from the conclusion that Indians were descended from the Ten Lost Tribes,ther colonial and old-world observers – including even Jews themselves – would continue to speculate on this topic through the end of the seventeenth century.

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#61795 May 1, 2013
Bible. Polyglot.. José de Acosta.Manasseh ben Israel.[Mikveh Yisra’el] Esto es, Esperança de Israel.
Amsterdam : Semuel Ben Israel Soreiro, Año 5410 [i.e., 1650].This is the first Dutch edition of Menasseh Ben Israel’s Hope of Israel, which includes the text asserting that indigenous Americans were descended from the tribes of ancient Israel.Thomas Thorowgood;Thomas Thorowgood joins the argument, drawing much from the writings of Menasseh ben Israel. The possible rediscovery of “lost Jews” interested Thorowgood and others in a millennial context, and he also drew on the writings of the Puritan missionary John Eliot, who had spent time among the Indians at Roxbury, Massachusetts, outside Boston.Gottlieb Spitzel.Diego Andrés Rocha, Tratado vnico, y singular del origen de los indios occidentales del Piru, Mexico, Santa Fè, y Chile. Lima, 1681.

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#61796 May 1, 2013
According to Montezinos, an Indian named Franciscus, learning that Montezinos was Hebrew, had taken him into the wilderness to meet a group of Jews. This tribe of "unknown people" disclosed to Montezinos that they were of the tribe of Reuben and recited the Hebrew formula: Shemah Israel Adonoy Elohenu Adonay Ehad ("Hear O Israel the Lord Our God the Lord is One"). They also reportedly revealed to him their plan to one day destroy the Spaniards, liberate the Indians, and govern the whole continent.
Montezinos's tale was much retold in Europe to support the existence of the ten tribes in America. His interpretation of the event went unquestioned at the time, although one modern scholar has suggested a more plausible explanation for the group. A significant number of European Jews had immigrated to South America shortly after its discovery. The Spanish Inquisition forced many of these Jews into the wilderness, and Montezinos may have found a group who had hidden themselves from their Spanish persecutors

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#61797 May 1, 2013
Another Jew, Rabbi Manasseh ben Israel from Amsterdam, repeated Montezinos's story in a book published a few years later in 1650 (translated and reprinted in London the same year). He also assembled other evidences to support his belief in the Jewish origin of the Indians such as the purported discovery of Hebrew inscriptions and Jewish synagogues in South America and the similarity between certain Jewish and Indian customs. Manasseh dedicated his book to the English parliament and went personally to England to present his views to them and to Oliver Cromwell. His goal was to have Jews readmitted to England where they had been legally barred since 1290. To argue before the biblically conservative group, Manasseh connected the ten tribe theory to beliefs about biblical prophesy they both shared: the Messiah would not come until the Jews were united with the ten tribes in their homeland.( But God had promised to restore the Jews to their homeland only after they had been scattered to all nations. Though the Jews (at least their descendants the Indians) had been found even in America, they were yet absent from England. The scattering could only be completed when they were readmitted. The discovery of the ten tribes in America was a sign that the Messiah's coming was imminent. England could play a very important role in the fulfillment of God's prophecy, Manasseh argued. king slap that fool told him to get with them damn lies, he not leting no indians up in here hahah lol jews will try anything

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#61798 May 1, 2013
Manasseh did not accomplish his immediate goal, but his millennial views regarding the American Indians impressed many English clergymen. One, Thomas Thorowgood, rector of Grimston in Norfolk, published his own book on Indian origins the same year Manasseh's appeared. He included Montezinos's account and marshalled a millennialist argument in support of a private religious goal: the importance of missionary work to the Indians. Ten years later in 1660 Thorowgood teamed up with John Eliot of Massachusetts, the famed "Apostle to the Indians," to write Jews in America, or Probabilities that those Indians are Judaical, made more probable by some Additionals to the former Conjectures. Eliot, one of the first in North America to embrace the ten tribe theory, gathered Indian converts into a series of Christian communities. With the help of Thorowgood, he gained financial support from the Puritans in England for his missionary work.

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#61799 May 1, 2013
JEWS TRICKED THE Natives out they land,
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#61800 May 1, 2013
Slave Coast Judah wrote:
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I wanted to add to your post concerning isralite migration into Nubia. The following coincides with your post...
Genesis 41:45, 50-52 KJV
And Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaphnath-paaneah; and he gave him to wife Asenath the daughter of Poti-pherah priest of On. And Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt.
[50] And unto Joseph were born two sons before the years of famine came, which Asenath the daughter of Poti-pherah priest of On bare unto him.
[51] And Joseph called the name of the firstborn Manasseh: For God, said he , hath made me forget all my toil, and all my father's house.
[52] And the name of the second called he Ephraim: For God hath caused me to be fruitful in the land of my affliction.
Epharim and his brother were born in Nubia. Now when Israel sinned they returned to Africa. They had ancestors there.
Hosea 9:3, 17 KJV
They shall not dwell in the Lord's land; but Ephraim shall return to Egypt, and they shall eat unclean things in Assyria.
[17] My God will cast them away, because they did not hearken unto him: and they shall be wanderers among the nations.
Joshua was a Epharimite also he was given the land mass Africa, all of it. From the Euphrates to the east and the great sea to the west. What is the great sea? It's not the Mediterranean, that's a lie. It's the Atlantic. I have the precept that proves the great sea ain't the Mediterranean. It's in Ezikiel. The great sea is desribed as being south and west of Israel which the Mediterranean ain't but the at lantic is.
Abraham was given the Nile to the Euphrates. Joshua was given the great sea to the Euphrates. Why the difference? Through Joshua our land was extended.
Africa is the biblical Israel and Africa was parted like Joel spoke of.
Bulls**t. Israel is Israel. The Twelve Tribes of Israel lived in ISRAEL. Bethlehem is in Israel. Jerusalem is in Israel! Abraham came from Ur in the Chaldeans which is in the Middle East. They lived in Canaan which is in the Middle East! Archeology has proved all of these and so has DNA! Stop talking cr*p! The Israelites supposedly went to Egypt but it isnt recorded at all by the Egyptians! Archeologists say that the ancient Israelites were the Hyksos.
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Johannesburg, South Africa

#61801 May 1, 2013
Chlo wrote:
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We went through the curses EXACTLY word for word! The Jews and middle eastern people DID NOT. Obviously if a certain group of people went through the curses word for word then that means they are the Israelites... Common sense...
You dont have Middle Eastern Haplogroups so you just a fake wannabe Hebrew who comes originally from West Africa!

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#61802 May 1, 2013
http://www.taneter.org/moors2.html
Angelo Solimon "Father of Masonic Thought".
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#61803 May 1, 2013
Punchojr wrote:
(cont) In 1993 an Igbo named Chima petitioned the Israeli Government for recognition of the Igbo as members of the tribe of Ephraim. A community known as the Bene-Ephraim were found to be living in the Ondo district of Yorubaland. They spoke a dialect which contained many Moroccan Arabic words which verified their tradition of coming from Morocco and Mali. Just as we must come to understand the origins and whereabout of the true Israelite tribesmen, we have to understand the fullness of their religious history and beliefs which includes the Prophets Moses, Jesus(Isa) and Muhammad. For the true understanding of the Prophet Muhammad in relation to the Children of Israel please visit the: Isawiyya Israelite Mosque of Qaraims @ http://WWW.QA RAIMS .COM & for the history of the Ephraimites in Africa and the Americas visit: The Moorish Israelite Temple of Science@ http:// WWW.MOORISHAMERICA.WEBS.COM
DNA has already been taken from West Africans! Nope no Middle Eastern DNA! The only way any West African can have Middle Eastern DNA is if an Arab Jew had sex with them! The true Israelites were bred out by other nationalities in the Middle East!

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#61804 May 1, 2013
An Austrian named Angelo Soliman (1720- 1796), who is said to be a native of Central Africa where he was kidnapped at a young age and later presented in 1734 to Prince Georg Christian. Soliman served as Georg's confidant, however, as he grew older, Soliman became fluent in 6 languages, was a master swordsman, navigator and renowned music composer. In his adult life, he climbed to the top of Vienna's high society and joined Concord Freemason's lodge where he became a major intellectual influence on Austrian Emperor Joseph II, Count Franz Moritz von Lacy, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Josef Haydn. According to the Moorish Rite, he was the "Father of Pure Masonic Thought," "First Moorish Freemason," and a "patriarchal figure."

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#61805 May 1, 2013

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#61806 May 1, 2013
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>DNA has already been taken from West Africans! Nope no Middle Eastern DNA! The only way any West African can have Middle Eastern DNA is if an Arab Jew had sex with them! The true Israelites were bred out by other nationalities in the Middle East!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_B-M...

B-M60 is just one we share or gave to some local Afghans.Ill be back wit more

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#61807 May 1, 2013
The E1b1b1-M35 lineages in some Pakistani Pashtun were previously traced to a Greek origi brought by Alexander's invasions [48]. However RM network of E1b1b1-M35 found that Afghanistan's lineages are correlated with Midd Easterners and Iranians but not with population from the Balkans.Eee

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#61808 May 1, 2013
African AE wrote:
If Ethiopians are supposedly have so much Haplogroup J1 then why are they black Africans? Indigenous Middle Eastern people look nothing like black Africans especially Ethiopians. They are light skinned Caucasians! Such a liar is Glimmer.
YOURE A BLACK AFRICAN GLIMMER!
Yes, it is beyond your academic capability to explain how skin color relates with UV exposure. That is why you failed to understand your west African root. I can guess, you are lighter than west African, but your bone and facial morphology can't miss you from your true race, West African 75% in Cape Malay as I have linked the data previously. I suggest you stop relating yourself with Caucasian.

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#61809 May 1, 2013
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>DNA has already been taken from West Africans! Nope no Middle Eastern DNA! The only way any West African can have Middle Eastern DNA is if an Arab Jew had sex with them! The true Israelites were bred out by other nationalities in the Middle East!
Cape-Malay and African American are non-distinguishable genetically.

"In this way they can be analogized to black Americans, who are about ~75% West African and ~25% Northern European, with the variance in ancestral proportions being such that ~10% are ~50% or more European in ancestry. The Cape Coloureds though are much more complex. Some of their ancestry is almost certainly Bantu African. This element is related to the West African affinities of black Americans. And, they have a Northern European element, which likely came in via the Dutch, German, and Huguenot settlers (mostly males). But the Cape Coloureds also have other contributions to their genetic heritage. Firstly, they have Khoisan ancestry, whether from Bushmen or Khoi. This is well known in their oral memory"

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/0...

No difference, period! and hence no need of fighting between African AE (a Cape-Malay) with African American. It is non-sense of 'African AE' trying to deny his E1b1a, typical sub-saharan gene while trying to paste himslef with haplotype J and the Jewish EM-35.1 (which is mostly distributed with black Caucasoid of HOA). African AE, please stick to your root and let's have sensible discussion.

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#61810 May 1, 2013
Haplogroup E1B1A

This haplogroup is predominantly Sub-Saharan African and is the most common haplogroup among African Americans. Among Jews, it can be found in very small percentages, even in Jews from Eastern Europe, where there is little (if any) African influence to be found. This indicates that while this haplogroup is certainly not a founding lineage for Jews, it was present in very small amounts at the time of the It is possible that this lineage joined the Jewish people along with the "mixed multitude" described in the Bible during the Exodus from Egypt. For the purposes of this study, members of this haplogroup would be considered unlikely to have direct Jewish ancestry, since the Dominican Republic has a large African influence due to the slave trade, and this would be much more likely origin for a member from this haplogroup. formation of the ancient Israelite nation.

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#61811 May 1, 2013
It is like the case of Hutu and Tutsi of Rwanda. The Tutsi believed themselves to have different origin, an Ethiopian, as preached by the ancient Belgians, however it was later learnt both groups to have the same origin, 80-90% E1b1a. The blind visual color look is an outdated in 21st century, but Cape-Malay (African AE) continued to believe different by mere skin color

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#61812 May 1, 2013
Punchojr wrote:
Haplogroup E1B1A
This haplogroup is predominantly Sub-Saharan African and is the most common haplogroup among African Americans. Among Jews, it can be found in very small percentages, even in Jews from Eastern Europe, where there is little (if any) African influence to be found. This indicates that while this haplogroup is certainly not a founding lineage for Jews, it was present in very small amounts at the time of the It is possible that this lineage joined the Jewish people along with the "mixed multitude" described in the Bible during the Exodus from Egypt. For the purposes of this study, members of this haplogroup would be considered unlikely to have direct Jewish ancestry, since the Dominican Republic has a large African influence due to the slave trade, and this would be much more likely origin for a member from this haplogroup. formation of the ancient Israelite nation.
Interesting and sensible. However, I have a doubt as to when E1b1a entered in modern Jews. Do you believe modern Jews are descended from Mosses people that crossed Red Sea and mount Seni? You are innocent if you believe in that.

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#61813 May 1, 2013
Punchojr wrote:
The E1b1b1-M35 lineages in some Pakistani Pashtun were previously traced to a Greek origi brought by Alexander's invasions [48]. However RM network of E1b1b1-M35 found that Afghanistan's lineages are correlated with Midd Easterners and Iranians but not with population from the Balkans.Eee
Earlier studies have concluded EM-35 had origin in Horn of Africa/Northern Africa. However, National Geography recently come up with different finding, the haplotype originated in the Middle East before 20kya years.

"The man who gave rise to marker M35 was born around 20,000 years ago in the Middle East. His descendants were among the first farmers and helped spread agriculture from the Middle East into the Mediterranean region."

http://ethiohelix.blogspot.com/2012/12/nation...

This will lead to a conclusion that most of modern Horners are Middle Eastern in origin, at least paternally. However, the origin of its ancesster EM-215 is still in the Horn, and all this tells you one important message, Horners and ancient Middle Easterns are genetically inseparable.

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