Hebrew Israelite
African AE

Johannesburg, South Africa

#61803 May 1, 2013
Punchojr wrote:
(cont) In 1993 an Igbo named Chima petitioned the Israeli Government for recognition of the Igbo as members of the tribe of Ephraim. A community known as the Bene-Ephraim were found to be living in the Ondo district of Yorubaland. They spoke a dialect which contained many Moroccan Arabic words which verified their tradition of coming from Morocco and Mali. Just as we must come to understand the origins and whereabout of the true Israelite tribesmen, we have to understand the fullness of their religious history and beliefs which includes the Prophets Moses, Jesus(Isa) and Muhammad. For the true understanding of the Prophet Muhammad in relation to the Children of Israel please visit the: Isawiyya Israelite Mosque of Qaraims @ http://WWW.QA RAIMS .COM & for the history of the Ephraimites in Africa and the Americas visit: The Moorish Israelite Temple of Science@ http:// WWW.MOORISHAMERICA.WEBS.COM
DNA has already been taken from West Africans! Nope no Middle Eastern DNA! The only way any West African can have Middle Eastern DNA is if an Arab Jew had sex with them! The true Israelites were bred out by other nationalities in the Middle East!

Level 2

Since: May 11

El Monte, CA

#61804 May 1, 2013
An Austrian named Angelo Soliman (1720- 1796), who is said to be a native of Central Africa where he was kidnapped at a young age and later presented in 1734 to Prince Georg Christian. Soliman served as Georg's confidant, however, as he grew older, Soliman became fluent in 6 languages, was a master swordsman, navigator and renowned music composer. In his adult life, he climbed to the top of Vienna's high society and joined Concord Freemason's lodge where he became a major intellectual influence on Austrian Emperor Joseph II, Count Franz Moritz von Lacy, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Josef Haydn. According to the Moorish Rite, he was the "Father of Pure Masonic Thought," "First Moorish Freemason," and a "patriarchal figure."

Level 2

Since: May 11

El Monte, CA

#61805 May 1, 2013

Level 2

Since: May 11

El Monte, CA

#61806 May 1, 2013
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>DNA has already been taken from West Africans! Nope no Middle Eastern DNA! The only way any West African can have Middle Eastern DNA is if an Arab Jew had sex with them! The true Israelites were bred out by other nationalities in the Middle East!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_B-M...

B-M60 is just one we share or gave to some local Afghans.Ill be back wit more

Level 2

Since: May 11

United States

#61807 May 1, 2013
The E1b1b1-M35 lineages in some Pakistani Pashtun were previously traced to a Greek origi brought by Alexander's invasions [48]. However RM network of E1b1b1-M35 found that Afghanistan's lineages are correlated with Midd Easterners and Iranians but not with population from the Balkans.Eee

Level 6

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#61808 May 1, 2013
African AE wrote:
If Ethiopians are supposedly have so much Haplogroup J1 then why are they black Africans? Indigenous Middle Eastern people look nothing like black Africans especially Ethiopians. They are light skinned Caucasians! Such a liar is Glimmer.
YOURE A BLACK AFRICAN GLIMMER!
Yes, it is beyond your academic capability to explain how skin color relates with UV exposure. That is why you failed to understand your west African root. I can guess, you are lighter than west African, but your bone and facial morphology can't miss you from your true race, West African 75% in Cape Malay as I have linked the data previously. I suggest you stop relating yourself with Caucasian.

Level 6

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#61809 May 1, 2013
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>DNA has already been taken from West Africans! Nope no Middle Eastern DNA! The only way any West African can have Middle Eastern DNA is if an Arab Jew had sex with them! The true Israelites were bred out by other nationalities in the Middle East!
Cape-Malay and African American are non-distinguishable genetically.

"In this way they can be analogized to black Americans, who are about ~75% West African and ~25% Northern European, with the variance in ancestral proportions being such that ~10% are ~50% or more European in ancestry. The Cape Coloureds though are much more complex. Some of their ancestry is almost certainly Bantu African. This element is related to the West African affinities of black Americans. And, they have a Northern European element, which likely came in via the Dutch, German, and Huguenot settlers (mostly males). But the Cape Coloureds also have other contributions to their genetic heritage. Firstly, they have Khoisan ancestry, whether from Bushmen or Khoi. This is well known in their oral memory"

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/0...

No difference, period! and hence no need of fighting between African AE (a Cape-Malay) with African American. It is non-sense of 'African AE' trying to deny his E1b1a, typical sub-saharan gene while trying to paste himslef with haplotype J and the Jewish EM-35.1 (which is mostly distributed with black Caucasoid of HOA). African AE, please stick to your root and let's have sensible discussion.

Level 2

Since: May 11

El Monte, CA

#61810 May 1, 2013
Haplogroup E1B1A

This haplogroup is predominantly Sub-Saharan African and is the most common haplogroup among African Americans. Among Jews, it can be found in very small percentages, even in Jews from Eastern Europe, where there is little (if any) African influence to be found. This indicates that while this haplogroup is certainly not a founding lineage for Jews, it was present in very small amounts at the time of the It is possible that this lineage joined the Jewish people along with the "mixed multitude" described in the Bible during the Exodus from Egypt. For the purposes of this study, members of this haplogroup would be considered unlikely to have direct Jewish ancestry, since the Dominican Republic has a large African influence due to the slave trade, and this would be much more likely origin for a member from this haplogroup. formation of the ancient Israelite nation.

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Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#61811 May 1, 2013
It is like the case of Hutu and Tutsi of Rwanda. The Tutsi believed themselves to have different origin, an Ethiopian, as preached by the ancient Belgians, however it was later learnt both groups to have the same origin, 80-90% E1b1a. The blind visual color look is an outdated in 21st century, but Cape-Malay (African AE) continued to believe different by mere skin color

Level 6

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#61812 May 1, 2013
Punchojr wrote:
Haplogroup E1B1A
This haplogroup is predominantly Sub-Saharan African and is the most common haplogroup among African Americans. Among Jews, it can be found in very small percentages, even in Jews from Eastern Europe, where there is little (if any) African influence to be found. This indicates that while this haplogroup is certainly not a founding lineage for Jews, it was present in very small amounts at the time of the It is possible that this lineage joined the Jewish people along with the "mixed multitude" described in the Bible during the Exodus from Egypt. For the purposes of this study, members of this haplogroup would be considered unlikely to have direct Jewish ancestry, since the Dominican Republic has a large African influence due to the slave trade, and this would be much more likely origin for a member from this haplogroup. formation of the ancient Israelite nation.
Interesting and sensible. However, I have a doubt as to when E1b1a entered in modern Jews. Do you believe modern Jews are descended from Mosses people that crossed Red Sea and mount Seni? You are innocent if you believe in that.

Level 6

Since: Oct 12

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#61813 May 1, 2013
Punchojr wrote:
The E1b1b1-M35 lineages in some Pakistani Pashtun were previously traced to a Greek origi brought by Alexander's invasions [48]. However RM network of E1b1b1-M35 found that Afghanistan's lineages are correlated with Midd Easterners and Iranians but not with population from the Balkans.Eee
Earlier studies have concluded EM-35 had origin in Horn of Africa/Northern Africa. However, National Geography recently come up with different finding, the haplotype originated in the Middle East before 20kya years.

"The man who gave rise to marker M35 was born around 20,000 years ago in the Middle East. His descendants were among the first farmers and helped spread agriculture from the Middle East into the Mediterranean region."

http://ethiohelix.blogspot.com/2012/12/nation...

This will lead to a conclusion that most of modern Horners are Middle Eastern in origin, at least paternally. However, the origin of its ancesster EM-215 is still in the Horn, and all this tells you one important message, Horners and ancient Middle Easterns are genetically inseparable.
Slave Coast Judah

Seattle, WA

#61814 May 2, 2013
Glimmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Cape-Malay and African American are non-distinguishable genetically.
"In this way they can be analogized to black Americans, who are about ~75% West African and ~25% Northern European, with the variance in ancestral proportions being such that ~10% are ~50% or more European in ancestry. The Cape Coloureds though are much more complex. Some of their ancestry is almost certainly Bantu African. This element is related to the West African affinities of black Americans. And, they have a Northern European element, which likely came in via the Dutch, German, and Huguenot settlers (mostly males). But the Cape Coloureds also have other contributions to their genetic heritage. Firstly, they have Khoisan ancestry, whether from Bushmen or Khoi. This is well known in their oral memory"
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/0...
No difference, period! and hence no need of fighting between African AE (a Cape-Malay) with African American. It is non-sense of 'African AE' trying to deny his E1b1a, typical sub-saharan gene while trying to paste himslef with haplotype J and the Jewish EM-35.1 (which is mostly distributed with black Caucasoid of HOA). African AE, please stick to your root and let's have sensible discussion.
Please don't speak on our behalf. As it relates to our history. By Ur own admission, u haven't studied the direct tribes in which we descend. Unfazed exposed u as a racist already. The bantu myth is garbage, point blank. Show me how the direct tribes from which we descend relate to the bantu expansion. U can't do it.

If you wana talk about Ethiopia go right ahead but let's not forget Ur on a AA thread. Why are u even here? Why is everyone so conncerned with us? You know the answer to that, don't you?

Level 6

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#61815 May 2, 2013
The earliest archeological foot prints of Semites are Ethiopians, south of the red sea. The Arabian Semites are younger and probably descendants of Ethiopians.

The Sabaean Temple of Almaqah in Addi Akaweh (Tigray), Ethiopia

Since the Neolithic period, the Abyssinian highlands were part of a far-flung network of exchange relationships between North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula, and both African and South Arabian cultural components can be seen in its development. South Arabian inscriptions, temples and sculptures from the early 1st millennium BC, have been found at Yeha and Hawlti.

The Almaqah temple offers the ideal opportunity for the study of specific religious cultural components. The reconstruction of spatial concepts, ritual procedures and votive practices sheds light on the sacral-political space of the regional elite. The temple was built in the 8th to 6th centuries BC on the ruins of an earlier building and continued in use with several modifications to probably the 3rd century BC. It resembles the early South Arabian religious buildings in form and is built from local stone.

Some of its most important features are a betyl made from naturally rounded boulders and perfectly preserved and libation altar donated by a hitherto unknown king named W'RN. His dedicatory inscription proves the ancient name of Yeha for the first time and demonstrates its importance as a national religious and political centre. It also shows that elements of royal elite cultural and ideological traditions of South Arabia and the African region are used together. C14 dating confirmed the Ethiopian Sabaean inscriptions to date to the 7th century BC.

http://carolynperry.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-...

Votive offerings such as incense burners and the statue of a seated woman shed light on the cult practices of the elite and the "non-elite" are represented by various votive offerings. Archaeometry studies show that some of the come from other geographic areas of the Abyssinian highlands. Ceramics and miniature vessels have parallels in northern Tigray and Eritrea (for example the Ancient Ona culture). Individual vessel shapes and objects are also known from the elite tombs at Yeha and South Arabia.

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Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#61816 May 2, 2013
Slave Coast Judah wrote:
<quoted text>
Please don't speak on our behalf. As it relates to our history. By Ur own admission, u haven't studied the direct tribes in which we descend. Unfazed exposed u as a racist already. The bantu myth is garbage, point blank. Show me how the direct tribes from which we descend relate to the bantu expansion. U can't do it.
If you wana talk about Ethiopia go right ahead but let's not forget Ur on a AA thread. Why are u even here? Why is everyone so conncerned with us? You know the answer to that, don't you?
At least there is a pre-fix 'African' in your name. Secondly, I was really surprised to hear 'African American were ancient Hebrews'. Your claim not even myth, until 20th century rather than the recent 'Bantu Expansion'? which you called it myth while world scholars never doubted about that.

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Since: Oct 12

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#61817 May 2, 2013
A temple as old as 2800 years, just 100 years after the reign of the Great King Solomon and Sheba.

"After the sensational discovery of South Arabian cult and votive objects near Wuqro in the highlands of Tigray in 2007, a joint team of the German Archaeological Institute and the Tigray Culture Agency unearthed a well preserved temple precinct of the Sabaean moon god Almaqah, erected during the 8th – 6th centuries BC. During the course of four years of excavations the site developed into a perfect place to study the early culture of northern Ethiopia and how it was influenced by South Arabian features in the last millennium BC"

http://www.dainst.org/en/story/recovering-and...

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Since: Oct 12

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#61818 May 2, 2013
Replica of the Sabaean libation altar of the Almaqah temple at Wuqro/Tigray, 800 B.C.

http://www.addis-abeba.diplo.de/contentblob/3...
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#61819 May 2, 2013
Glimmer wrote:
The earliest archeological foot prints of Semites are Ethiopians, south of the red sea. The Arabian Semites are younger and probably descendants of Ethiopians.
The Sabaean Temple of Almaqah in Addi Akaweh (Tigray), Ethiopia
Since the Neolithic period, the Abyssinian highlands were part of a far-flung network of exchange relationships between North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula, and both African and South Arabian cultural components can be seen in its development. South Arabian inscriptions, temples and sculptures from the early 1st millennium BC, have been found at Yeha and Hawlti.
The Almaqah temple offers the ideal opportunity for the study of specific religious cultural components. The reconstruction of spatial concepts, ritual procedures and votive practices sheds light on the sacral-political space of the regional elite. The temple was built in the 8th to 6th centuries BC on the ruins of an earlier building and continued in use with several modifications to probably the 3rd century BC. It resembles the early South Arabian religious buildings in form and is built from local stone.
Some of its most important features are a betyl made from naturally rounded boulders and perfectly preserved and libation altar donated by a hitherto unknown king named W'RN. His dedicatory inscription proves the ancient name of Yeha for the first time and demonstrates its importance as a national religious and political centre. It also shows that elements of royal elite cultural and ideological traditions of South Arabia and the African region are used together. C14 dating confirmed the Ethiopian Sabaean inscriptions to date to the 7th century BC.
http://carolynperry.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-...
Votive offerings such as incense burners and the statue of a seated woman shed light on the cult practices of the elite and the "non-elite" are represented by various votive offerings. Archaeometry studies show that some of the come from other geographic areas of the Abyssinian highlands. Ceramics and miniature vessels have parallels in northern Tigray and Eritrea (for example the Ancient Ona culture). Individual vessel shapes and objects are also known from the elite tombs at Yeha and South Arabia.
You been boozing again! Semites are Shemites and ORIGINATE IN THE MIDDLE EAST according to the bible! Ethiopians are CUSHITE according to the bible! The oldest Hebrew inscriptions are in Israel of course! The bible says Abraham went to Canaan. You cant argue with the bible. Abraham probably had Haplogroup J2 which originated in Northern Mesopotamia! Ethiopians have none! You are a pitch black Africa man from Ethiopia!
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#61820 May 2, 2013
Glimmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Cape-Malay and African American are non-distinguishable genetically.
"In this way they can be analogized to black Americans, who are about ~75% West African and ~25% Northern European, with the variance in ancestral proportions being such that ~10% are ~50% or more European in ancestry. The Cape Coloureds though are much more complex. Some of their ancestry is almost certainly Bantu African. This element is related to the West African affinities of black Americans. And, they have a Northern European element, which likely came in via the Dutch, German, and Huguenot settlers (mostly males). But the Cape Coloureds also have other contributions to their genetic heritage. Firstly, they have Khoisan ancestry, whether from Bushmen or Khoi. This is well known in their oral memory"
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/0...
No difference, period! and hence no need of fighting between African AE (a Cape-Malay) with African American. It is non-sense of 'African AE' trying to deny his E1b1a, typical sub-saharan gene while trying to paste himslef with haplotype J and the Jewish EM-35.1 (which is mostly distributed with black Caucasoid of HOA). African AE, please stick to your root and let's have sensible discussion.
You like to forget my Jewish Lithuanian origins! I wonder why? Jealousy perhaps?
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#61821 May 2, 2013
Glimmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it is beyond your academic capability to explain how skin color relates with UV exposure. That is why you failed to understand your west African root. I can guess, you are lighter than west African, but your bone and facial morphology can't miss you from your true race, West African 75% in Cape Malay as I have linked the data previously. I suggest you stop relating yourself with Caucasian.
I suggest you remember that you are a black African more related to West Africans than any Middle Eastern people! They white you not!

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Since: Oct 12

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#61822 May 2, 2013
The bottom line:

Chaldea were Sabeans, descendants of northern Ethiopian as the oldest semetic manuscript (2000 B.C.) and the oldest semetic temple (800 B.C.) is discovered in Ethiopia, not in Arebia. Accordingly Abraham was Chaldean and Ethiopian Sabean descent and the founder of Sabean religion was again Abraham.

"As to the religion of the Sabeans very little is known about the origins of this religion, though we Bahá'ís are certain of one thing that the founder of it has been a Divinely-sent Messenger. The country where Sabeanism became widespread and flourished was Chaldea, and Abraham is considered as having been a follower of that Faith."

http://www.webpal.org/SAFE/aaarenewal/revelat...

No doubt Abraham was an Ethiopian semite, and the name Abraham or Abram are naturally words from the old South Arebian (Geez).

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