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#58161 Apr 3, 2013
E1b1b1-m35.1 comes from the Middle East - Kebaran 20,000 years ago

The National Geographic Genographic Project states that the man who gave rise to marker M35.1, was born around 20,000 years ago in the Middle East.... So then, who was in the Middle East 20,000 years ago ?

The Kebaran or Kebarian culture was an archaeological culture in the eastern Mediterranean area (c. 18,000 to 10,000 BC), named after its type site, Kebara Cave south of Haifa. The Kebaran were a highly mobile nomadic population, composed of hunters and gatherers in the Levant and Sinai areas who utilized microlithic tools.

http://arab21.blogspot.com/2012/09/bani-khali...

The Kebaran is the last Upper Paleolithic phase of the Levant (Syria, Lebanon, Palestine). The Kebarans were characterized by small, geometric microliths, and were thought to lack the specialized grinders and pounders found in later Near Eastern cultures.

Situated in the Terminal Pleistocene, the Kebaran is classified as an Epipalaeolithic society. They are generally thought to have been ancestral to the later Natufian culture that occupied much of the same range
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Durban, South Africa

#58162 Apr 3, 2013
PHAED71 wrote:
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Any (non)-African "HAS" to accept they did NOT originate from the same life source the African man/woman derived from!! Bottom line..it is what it is! Melanin is the key ingredient they lack to be hue-mankind and this is why in Genesis we see the devil (seed) is specifically designated or categorized WITH the beast of the field
Animal Kingdom
Caucasians come from African and neanderthals in Asia. Neanderthals were not beasts! They put flowers on their familys graves and looked after their sickly people and those African ladies sure did love them. All the hair kept the African ladies warm and I bet they had a huge.........
Sammy

Bronx, NY

#58163 Apr 3, 2013
White rabbit wrote:
So now another question to mr. SAMMY is since your an evolutionist why are they being debunked?Your claims dont match up with the experiments. So what now? Are you seriously still going to use evilution to tell yhe AAs that they were no longer ruling the northern parts of the world because thery WERENT IN COLD WEATHER? Wow, you need to get out of here with that foolishnes.
Evolution dictates that blacks were not ruling Northern parts of the world because 1) those were never your native lands so you were never there and 2) your black skin was not made for Low UV Radiation. Read that last part, Rabbit, your black skin was not made for Low UV Radiation.

"Why are Lighter Skin colors an advantage in higher latitudes?

Melanin in darker skins provides a natural protection for tropical populations from the many harmful effects of ultraviolet (UV) rays. UV radiation can destroy folic acid, causing a deficiency and leading to miscarriages and deformities in fetuses. However UV rays must penetrate the skin for the human body to manufacture vitamin D which is necessary for the body to absorb the calcium necessary for strong bones. This delicate balance associated with skin color appears to explain why groups that migrated away from the equator to areas with less sunlight adapted by developing lighter skin color.

Natural selection favored lighter skin at higher latitudes because it allowed UV rays to penetrate and produce essential vitamin D.
Natural selection favored darker skin at the equator because it preventing folate deficiency and other problems from UV exposure.

Vitamin D - It would be harmful if melanin provided a complete shield against UV radiation. A certain amount of ultraviolet radiation ( shortwave UVB) must enter the outer skin layer for for the body to produce vitamin D. About 90 percent of this vitamin is normally synthesized in the skin and the kidneys from a cholesterol-like precursor chemical. The remaining 10 percent comes from foods such as egg yolks and fish fats (such as cod liver oil). Moving to higher latitudes away from the equator means that the sunlight intensity falls. People with dark skin may develop vitamin D deficiencies in higher latitudes as their skin absorbs most of the UV radiation. Many black skinned Americans have shown high incidence of rickets, and osteoporosis in adults and other problems caused by vitamin D deficiency. On the other hand light skinned people in the tropics may develop signs of vitamin D overdose."

In other word, Rabbit, your black skin was a death hazard in Northern Low UV Radiation regions of the world, while light skin was a survival
evolutionary mechanism in Low UV Radiation Northern regions.

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#58164 Apr 3, 2013
The man who gave rise to the first genetic marker in your lineage probably lived in northeast Africa in
the region of the Rift Valley, perhaps in present-day Ethiopia, Kenya, or Tanzania, some 31,000 to 79,000 years ago. Scientists put the most likely date for when he lived at around 50,000 years ago.

His descendants became the only lineage to survive outside of Africa, making him the common
ancestor of every non-African man living today.

Why man left Africa?(Asia and Europe had today's African climate), hence had black color as todays Africans

The African ice age was characterized by drought rather than by cold. It was around 50,000 years
ago that the ice sheets of northern Europe began to melt, introducing a period of warmer
temperatures and moister climate in Africa. Parts of the inhospitable Sahara briefly became
habitable.

As the drought-ridden desert changed to a savanna, the animals hunted by your ancestors
expanded their range and began moving through the newly emerging green corridor of grasslands.
Your nomadic ancestors followed the good weather and the animals they hunted, although the exact
route they followed remains to be determined.

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#58165 Apr 3, 2013
M35: Neolithic Farmers
Fast Facts

Time of Emergence: 20,000 years ago
Place of Origin: Middle East
Climate: Ice Age
Estimated Number of Homo sapiens: Hundreds of thousands
Tools/Skills: Upper Paleolithic-Neolithic

http://www.olyphant.nl/Familydesk/downloads/g...

The final common ancestor in your haplogroup, the man who gave rise to marker M35, was born
around 20,000 years ago in the Middle East. His descendants were among the first farmers and
helped spread agriculture from the Middle East into the Mediterranean region.

At the end of the last ice age around 10,000 years ago, the climate changed once again and became
more conducive to plant production. This probably helped spur the Neolithic Revolution, the point at
which the human way of living changed from nomadic hunter-gatherers to settled agriculturists.
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#58166 Apr 3, 2013
Glimmer wrote:
E1b1b1-m35.1 comes from the Middle East - Kebaran 20,000 years ago
The National Geographic Genographic Project states that the man who gave rise to marker M35.1, was born around 20,000 years ago in the Middle East.... So then, who was in the Middle East 20,000 years ago ?
The Kebaran or Kebarian culture was an archaeological culture in the eastern Mediterranean area (c. 18,000 to 10,000 BC), named after its type site, Kebara Cave south of Haifa. The Kebaran were a highly mobile nomadic population, composed of hunters and gatherers in the Levant and Sinai areas who utilized microlithic tools.
http://arab21.blogspot.com/2012/09/bani-khali...
The Kebaran is the last Upper Paleolithic phase of the Levant (Syria, Lebanon, Palestine). The Kebarans were characterized by small, geometric microliths, and were thought to lack the specialized grinders and pounders found in later Near Eastern cultures.
Situated in the Terminal Pleistocene, the Kebaran is classified as an Epipalaeolithic society. They are generally thought to have been ancestral to the later Natufian culture that occupied much of the same range
Caucasians were the first people in the Middle East. Their skeletons have been found together with neanderthal skeletons in caves in Israel. The Nufians interbred with the Neolithic farmers that came originally from Turkey and disappeared.
Sammy

Bronx, NY

#58167 Apr 3, 2013
Glimmer wrote:
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Do you know the current color of whites is not older than 5kya years? They all have the melanin producing gene. They were darker than today before 3000 B.C. it is the agriculture life style that turned them white. How? Earlier they were hunter, and since they got adequate vitamin D, their skin didn't need to get lighter to allow more sun. However, when they shift to agriculture, vitamin D became scarce and then their skin has to shed the melanian. That is science and fact, but I know it is very difficult for African AE to understand this
Incorrect. Thats just one gene found mostly and only in Northern Euros, all other Euros carry genes for light skin that arose soon after the OOA migrations, there are multiple genes responsible for light skin in Euros that arose nearly 40,000 years ago in their ancestors the Eurasians due to the fact that they were living in Low UV Radiation regions in northern parts of the world long before they migrated into Europe. Neanderthals who lives in
the same geographical with Low UV Northern regions experienced something similar they had light skin colors that were better adapted to the Low UV Radiation climates of Northern regions. Evolution and natural selection works on reproductive success, and so the adaptations much relate to other health effects (or appearance) improving the reproductive success of the lighter skinned individuals in Low UV Radiation northern regions while black skin was a defect in those same northern regions.
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Durban, South Africa

#58168 Apr 3, 2013
Ben YISRAEL wrote:
<quoted text>Documentary "The Curse of the Israelites" I have this Vid Look look devil Look
The real Israelite descendants, the Samaritans live in Israel.
Sammy

Bronx, NY

#58169 Apr 3, 2013
Glimmer wrote:
The man who gave rise to the first genetic marker in your lineage probably lived in northeast Africa in
the region of the Rift Valley, perhaps in present-day Ethiopia, Kenya, or Tanzania, some 31,000 to 79,000 years ago. Scientists put the most likely date for when he lived at around 50,000 years ago.
His descendants became the only lineage to survive outside of Africa, making him the common
ancestor of every non-African man living today.
Why man left Africa?(Asia and Europe had today's African climate), hence had black color as todays Africans
The African ice age was characterized by drought rather than by cold. It
was around 50,000 years
ago that the ice sheets of northern Europe began to melt, introducing a period of warmer
temperatures and moister climate in Africa. Parts of the inhospitable Sahara briefly became
habitable.
As the drought-ridden desert changed to a savanna, the animals hunted by your ancestors
expanded their range and began moving through the newly emerging green corridor of grasslands.
Your nomadic ancestors followed the good weather and the animals they hunted, although the exact
route they followed remains to be determined.
Incorrect. Europe, the Levante and the Northern parts of Asia never had Africa's climate there fore they were not black like Africans. Those geo regions had always had Low UV Radiation because they are further from the equator meaning the beings living there were lighter skinned then sub Saharan Africans. The key here is Low UV Radiation, Neanderthals who were living in those same Low UV Radiation regions also had light skin colors that were better adapted to the geo climates of Europen, the Near
East and Northern regions of Asia. The farther one gets from the equator the lighter skinned those beings are.

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#58170 Apr 3, 2013
Sammy wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolution dictates that blacks were not ruling Northern parts of the world because 1) those were never your native lands so you were never there and 2) your black skin was not made for Low UV Radiation. Read that last part, Rabbit, your black skin was not made for Low UV Radiation.
"Why are Lighter Skin colors an advantage in higher latitudes?
Melanin in darker skins provides a natural protection for tropical populations from the many harmful effects of ultraviolet (UV) rays. UV radiation can destroy folic acid, causing a deficiency and leading to miscarriages and deformities in fetuses. However UV rays must penetrate the skin for the human body to manufacture vitamin D which is necessary for the body to absorb the calcium necessary for strong bones. This delicate balance associated with skin color appears to explain why groups that migrated away from the equator to areas with less sunlight adapted by developing lighter skin color.
Natural selection favored lighter skin at higher latitudes because it allowed UV rays to penetrate and produce essential vitamin D.
Natural selection favored darker skin at the equator because it preventing folate deficiency and other problems from UV exposure.
Vitamin D - It would be harmful if melanin provided a complete shield against UV radiation. A certain amount of ultraviolet radiation ( shortwave UVB) must enter the outer skin layer for for the body to produce vitamin D. About 90 percent of this vitamin is normally synthesized in the skin and the kidneys from a cholesterol-like precursor chemical. The remaining 10 percent comes from foods such as egg yolks and fish fats (such as cod liver oil). Moving to higher latitudes away from the equator means that the sunlight intensity falls. People with dark skin may develop vitamin D deficiencies in higher latitudes as their skin absorbs most of the UV radiation. Many black skinned Americans have shown high incidence of rickets, and osteoporosis in adults and other problems caused by vitamin D deficiency. On the other hand light skinned people in the tropics may develop signs of vitamin D overdose."
In other word, Rabbit, your black skin was a death hazard in Northern Low UV Radiation regions of the world, while light skin was a survival
evolutionary mechanism in Low UV Radiation Northern regions.
Right! But, your problem is the assumption of climate to be static and never changing. You haven't heard of the Sahara drying just 5000 years before? Read this:

http://www.olyphant.nl/Familydesk/downloads/g...

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#58171 Apr 3, 2013
Sammy wrote:
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Incorrect. Europe, the Levante and the Northern parts of Asia never had Africa's climate there fore they were not black like Africans. Those geo regions had always had Low UV Radiation because they are further from the equator meaning the beings living there were lighter skinned then sub Saharan Africans. The key here is Low UV Radiation, Neanderthals who were living in those same Low UV Radiation regions also had light skin colors that were better adapted to the geo climates of Europen, the Near
East and Northern regions of Asia. The farther one gets from the equator the lighter skinned those beings are.
Are you challenging 'National Geography'? Don't be just impulsive, read the source and give some respect for scholar works, or you will remain ignorant.

http://www.olyphant.nl/Familydesk/downloads/g...

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#58172 Apr 3, 2013
Sammy wrote:
<quoted text>
Incorrect. Europe, the Levante and the Northern parts of Asia never had Africa's climate there fore they were not black like Africans. Those geo regions had always had Low UV Radiation because they are further from the equator meaning the beings living there were lighter skinned then sub Saharan Africans. The key here is Low UV Radiation, Neanderthals who were living in those same Low UV Radiation regions also had light skin colors that were better adapted to the geo climates of Europen, the Near
East and Northern regions of Asia. The farther one gets from the equator the lighter skinned those beings are.
National Geography is the most reputed and largely western funded scientific group. The first instance that pushed man out of Africa supposed to be Africa's drying, and at the same way, melting of ices and warming of Europe, like today's Africa. They just left Africa to fund better climatic condition. Note that, the first settlers were mere hunt gatherers, agriculture was introduced later, 10kya years from today, by EM-35 Mediterranean people, which enhanced European skin to look more lighter.
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#58173 Apr 3, 2013
Glimmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you challenging 'National Geography'? Don't be just impulsive, read the source and give some respect for scholar works, or you will remain ignorant.
http://www.olyphant.nl/Familydesk/downloads/g...
The first people out of Africa were the neanderthals. They met up with Africans in Asia and interbred with them. Caucasian man was the result. The original name was Cro-Magnon but because Cro-Magnon is exactly like Caucasian people that term is no longer used. Caucasian man was in the Middle East and Europe 43000 years ago! Stop with the Afronazi cr*p. Caucasians are 43000 years old!
Sammy

Bronx, NY

#58174 Apr 3, 2013
Glimmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Right! But, your problem is the assumption of climate to be static and never changing. You haven't heard of the Sahara drying just 5000 years before? Read this:
http://www.olyphant.nl/Familydesk/downloads/g...
It has nothing to do with climate and everything to do with Low UV Radiation. The further one goes from the equator the lighter skinned those people are and last time I checked the equator never changed locations in the existence of humans.
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#58175 Apr 3, 2013
Iv been wondering why ancient Egypt Pharaohs dont look like black Africans. I read the early Caucasians in the Middle East went into Egypt and North Africa. That explains why the Egyptians never were a black African people. DOES THIS MAN LOOK BLACK? One of the earliest pyramid builders with the second largest pyramid!Khafre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Khafre_sta...

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#58176 Apr 3, 2013
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>The first people out of Africa were the neanderthals. They met up with Africans in Asia and interbred with them. Caucasian man was the result. The original name was Cro-Magnon but because Cro-Magnon is exactly like Caucasian people that term is no longer used. Caucasian man was in the Middle East and Europe 43000 years ago! Stop with the Afronazi cr*p. Caucasians are 43000 years old!
I was not talking about bone morphology,(Caucasoid or non-Caucasoid), I was just talking about EM-35. I know you are interested in that, but I am not and that is more of Kohesians concern. Again, stick to the point you are poor debater.
Sammy

Bronx, NY

#58177 Apr 3, 2013
Glimmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you challenging 'National Geography'? Don't be just impulsive, read the source and give some respect for scholar works, or you will remain ignorant.
http://www.olyphant.nl/Familydesk/downloads/g...
The National Geographic link doesn't say anything about the evolution of human skin color. It just talks about human migrations of the Eb1b haplogroup migrating out of Africa and in certain cases places subclades of it having arising in the Middle East.

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#58178 Apr 3, 2013
Sammy wrote:
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It has nothing to do with climate and everything to do with Low UV Radiation. The further one goes from the equator the lighter skinned those people are and last time I checked the equator never changed locations in the existence of humans.
That is right! But, don't forget diet and temperature are also secondary factors. You have to be sure, the color that whites have today is the result of the last 5 to 10 kya years, but obviously they were lighter than today's kohesians

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#58179 Apr 3, 2013
African AE wrote:
Iv been wondering why ancient Egypt Pharaohs dont look like black Africans. I read the early Caucasians in the Middle East went into Egypt and North Africa. That explains why the Egyptians never were a black African people. DOES THIS MAN LOOK BLACK? One of the earliest pyramid builders with the second largest pyramid!Khafre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Khafre_sta...
If we have to talk honestly, most of the pharoes were much African looking than we horners. Believe me, they appear strange looking for me, and forget your debate that they looked white.
Sammy

Bronx, NY

#58180 Apr 3, 2013
Glimmer wrote:
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National Geography is the most reputed and largely western funded scientific group. The first instance that pushed man out of Africa supposed to be Africa's drying, and at the same way, melting of ices and warming of Europe, like today's Africa. They just left Africa to fund better climatic condition. Note that, the first settlers were mere hunt gatherers, agriculture was introduced later, 10kya years from today, by EM-35 Mediterranean people, which enhanced European skin to look more lighter.
Again nowhere in that article does it state Europe's climates were like sub Sahara Africa. The National Geographic link doesn't say anything about the evolution of human skin color. It just talks about human migrations of the Eb1b haplogroup migrating out of Africa and in certain cases places subclades of it having arising in the Middle East. Human skin color is due to how High or Low UV Raditiation geographical regions get, this is caused by how near or far from the equator a geographical location is from the equator. Europe is not even close to the equator and neither are many Asian regions. So the further people migrated from the equator the lighter they became. Once more skin evolution was due to how high or low UV Radiation a region gets.

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