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Slave Coast Judah

Seattle, WA

#52394 Feb 23, 2013
DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
<quoted text>
some people argue that shem maps into africa, and that the 'great sea' is the atlantic, as opposed to the mediterrannean as most assume.
i haven't had time to research this enough but i think one thing you might wanna ask is 'who was shem?'.
who are shemites, today?
Lud, who's a son of shem are thought to be the asiatic north african 'berbers'. and elam, are believed to be proto-dravidians.
neither group would represent you typical subsaharan black african type. so idk.
but what i do know is that 'hebrews' were clearly a mixed hamitic/shemitic people. we get our first evidence of that in the book of jubilees where eber marries nimrod's daughter who's the mother of peleg, great great great grandfather of abraham.
and we continue to see hebrew/hamitic marriages from there.
and the 'seed of abraHAM' covers an afro-asiatic region: from the nile to the euphrates.
i think when we dealing with 'hebrews' what we really talking bout is a mixed hamitic/shemitic community of believers.
What did this man see to make him make this statement?
Slave Coast Judah

Seattle, WA

#52395 Feb 23, 2013
DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
<quoted text>
some people argue that shem maps into africa, and that the 'great sea' is the atlantic, as opposed to the mediterrannean as most assume.
i haven't had time to research this enough but i think one thing you might wanna ask is 'who was shem?'.
who are shemites, today?
Lud, who's a son of shem are thought to be the asiatic north african 'berbers'. and elam, are believed to be proto-dravidians.
neither group would represent you typical subsaharan black african type. so idk.
but what i do know is that 'hebrews' were clearly a mixed hamitic/shemitic people. we get our first evidence of that in the book of jubilees where eber marries nimrod's daughter who's the mother of peleg, great great great grandfather of abraham.
and we continue to see hebrew/hamitic marriages from there.
and the 'seed of abraHAM' covers an afro-asiatic region: from the nile to the euphrates.
i think when we dealing with 'hebrews' what we really talking bout is a mixed hamitic/shemitic community of believers.
The Earth and Inhabitants volume 12 page 267

http://books.google.com/books ...

"East of Popo begins the Dahomey territory, known to the Eroupeans under various names Fida, Huweda, Whydah, and Wida. The Old writers called it Juda, and its inhabitants were said to be Jews, while the neighbering river Allala whos real name is Efra became known as the Euphratees. During the Flourshing days of the Slave trade from 16-18 thousand were shipped annually from Ajuda what the Portuguese called this place, which at that time had a population of 35 thousand."
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/DSYzSerEYzM/mqdefault ....
Slave Coast Judah

Seattle, WA

#52396 Feb 23, 2013

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#52397 Feb 23, 2013
Slave Coast Judah wrote:
<quoted text>
The Earth and Inhabitants volume 12 page 267
http://books.google.com/books ...
"East of Popo begins the Dahomey territory, known to the Eroupeans under various names Fida, Huweda, Whydah, and Wida. The Old writers called it Juda, and its inhabitants were said to be Jews, while the neighbering river Allala whos real name is Efra became known as the Euphratees. During the Flourshing days of the Slave trade from 16-18 thousand were shipped annually from Ajuda what the Portuguese called this place, which at that time had a population of 35 thousand."
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/DSYzSerEYzM/mqdefault ....
just took a quick peek at this. did they call these people 'jews' cuz they actually thought they were jews? it seems they named the city 'juda' cuz its similar sounding name, and cuz they were taking these people into captivity. so they were messing round with biblical references.

i don't see anything that would suggest these people were actually jews, as it would appear they practiced voodoo.
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#52398 Feb 23, 2013
Ben YISRAEL wrote:
<quoted text> Judge teach law, killing is bad thing, i want everybody to live but the power structure has to change, white peoples should only tell they kind what to do, same with others, we can handle our own,if whites wasnt around Obama wouldnt be President, over us,whites should tell an govern they own, an those that want to be govern by them,they have to force they rule over u=others
Whites don't govern themselves, a small elite rules the world and we're all their LIVESTOCK. Whites need a movement to free themselves just like everyone else... but it's not happening anywhere that I can see.
Slave Coast Judah

Seattle, WA

#52399 Feb 23, 2013
DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
<quoted text>
just took a quick peek at this. did they call these people 'jews' cuz they actually thought they were jews? it seems they named the city 'juda' cuz its similar sounding name, and cuz they were taking these people into captivity. so they were messing round with biblical references.
i don't see anything that would suggest these people were actually jews, as it would appear they practiced voodoo.
Ok Jus to add. Lets look at the French Version to add to the context of "Jews"

In the FRENCH version of the above book Reclus says about the people of Whydah, Ajuda, or Judah.

"The Eroupeans have designated by various names of Fida. Hweda, Whydah, Quida, the region ANCIENT AUTHORS CALLED JUDA"

"The Inhabitants were called the 'JUDAIC' and indeed they were regarded as a Remmnant of the lost tribe of the house of Israel"

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#52400 Feb 23, 2013
Slave Coast Judah wrote:
<quoted text>
The Earth and Inhabitants volume 12 page 267
http://books.google.com/books ...
"East of Popo begins the Dahomey territory, known to the Eroupeans under various names Fida, Huweda, Whydah, and Wida. The Old writers called it Juda, and its inhabitants were said to be Jews, while the neighbering river Allala whos real name is Efra became known as the Euphratees. During the Flourshing days of the Slave trade from 16-18 thousand were shipped annually from Ajuda what the Portuguese called this place, which at that time had a population of 35 thousand."
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/DSYzSerEYzM/mqdefault ....
"Ouidah (city of 'Juda' in Dahomey) is significant for reasons other than being a notorious gateway for slaves en route to the New World. Ouidah has been dubbed the voodoo capital of the world."
http://books.google.com/books...

ok, i'm pretty sure these people weren't hebrews, and the europeans didn't call them 'jews' cuz they saw judaism being practices all over the place. they were probably using biblical references cuz of what they were doing to them.

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#52401 Feb 23, 2013
Slave Coast Judah wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok Jus to add. Lets look at the French Version to add to the context of "Jews"
In the FRENCH version of the above book Reclus says about the people of Whydah, Ajuda, or Judah.
"The Eroupeans have designated by various names of Fida. Hweda, Whydah, Quida, the region ANCIENT AUTHORS CALLED JUDA"
"The Inhabitants were called the 'JUDAIC' and indeed they were regarded as a Remmnant of the lost tribe of the house of Israel"
voodoo capital of the world? these two things don't quite line up, bruh.
Slave Coast Judah

Seattle, WA

#52402 Feb 23, 2013
i don't see anything that would suggest these people were actually jews,"

Yes you do. lol.

Especially when you add the testimony of these men... See in a court of Law, one witness will do)sometimes) but multiple witnesses... case closed. How is it that different travellers reported the same findings. But of course Im preaching to the choir, right? I mean it was you that said AA are Hebrews. Anyway lets not take the testimony of Reculus as it satnds alone as many other Eroupe and Arab travellers reported thge same observations.

Jus to Add to Reculus observations of Juda in West Africa... IBN Khaldun pre dates Reculus by over 500 years.

"Ibn Khaldun, who lived in the 13th century, a respected authority on Berber history testified about the Black Jews of Western Sudan with whom he personally interacted. The famous muslim geographer al-Idrisi, born in Ceuta, Spain in the 12th century, wrote extensively about Jewish Negroes in the Western Sudan.
Black Jews were fully integrated and achieved pre-eminence in many West African kingdoms. For instance Jews were believed to have settled in great West African empires such as Songhai, Mali, Ghana and Kanem-Bornu empires. According to numerous accounts of contemporary visitors to the region several rulers, and administrators of the Songhai empire were of Jewish origins until Askia Muhammad came to power in 1492 and decreed that all Jews either convert to Islam or leave the region. See Ismael Diadie Haidara,“Les Juifs a` Timbouctou”, Recueil de sources relatives au commerce juif a Timbouctou au XIXe siecle, Editions Donniya, Bamako, 1999."
Slave Coast Judah

Seattle, WA

#52403 Feb 23, 2013
DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
<quoted text>
"Ouidah (city of 'Juda' in Dahomey) is significant for reasons other than being a notorious gateway for slaves en route to the New World. Ouidah has been dubbed the voodoo capital of the world."
http://books.google.com/books...
ok, i'm pretty sure these people weren't hebrews, and the europeans didn't call them 'jews' cuz they saw judaism being practices all over the place. they were probably using biblical references cuz of what they were doing to them.
Yes what they call voodoo is there. And Isralites who vowed to not give up their idol worship were punished. Mungo Park also called us idol worshiping pagans but what else did he say....Im surprised A person as smart as yourself cant see a pattern forming here, lol.

Jus to add to my previous west african travelers.

Travels in the interior of Africa
by Mungo Park.http://www.amazon.com/Tra vels-Interior-Districts-Africa -Mungo/dp/0822325373

pg.253

"There were MANY Yahudim living in Africa and among the "NEGROES" we found copies of the TORAH, BELIEF IN ONE GOD, AND A FUTURE STATE OF REWARD AND PUNISHMENT IS UNIVERSAL AMONG THEM.

PG 292

I discovered that the Negroes are in posession of a Arabic version of the Pentatauch of Moses which they call Taureta la Moose.

Pg 13

Both Free and enslaved perservere in maintaining the blind but harmless superstitions of their ancestors and are called by MOHAMADANS "Kafir" or "Infidels"

pg 249 and 250

A Child is named when it *7 or 8* days old. If they are asked for what reason then they offer a prayer on the appearence of a *new moon* the answers that custom has made it necessary to do it because there fathers did it.

pg 128

There were many "Jews" at Timbuktu but they all spoke arabic and used the same prayers as the Moors.
Slave Coast Judah

Seattle, WA

#52404 Feb 23, 2013
"ok, i'm pretty sure these people weren't hebrews, and the europeans didn't call them 'jews' cuz they saw judaism being practices all over the place. they were probably using biblical references cuz of what they were doing to them. "
Jus to Add to Reculus observations of Juda in West Africa... IBN Khaldun pre dates Reculus by over 500 years.
"Ibn Khaldun, who lived in the 13th century, a respected authority on Berber history testified about the Black Jews of Western Sudan with whom he personally interacted. The famous muslim geographer al-Idrisi, born in Ceuta, Spain in the 12th century, wrote extensively about Jewish Negroes in the Western Sudan.
Black Jews were fully integrated and achieved pre-eminence in many West African kingdoms. For instance Jews were believed to have settled in great West African empires such as Songhai, Mali, Ghana and Kanem-Bornu empires. According to numerous accounts of contemporary visitors to the region several rulers, and administrators of the Songhai empire were of Jewish origins until Askia Muhammad came to power in 1492 and decreed that all Jews either convert to Islam or leave the region. See Ismael Diadie Haidara,“Les Juifs a` Timbouctou”, Recueil de sources relatives au commerce juif a Timbouctou au XIXe siecle, Editions Donniya, Bamako, 1999."
Travels in the interior of Africa
by Mungo
pg.253
"There were MANY Yahudim living in Africa and among the "NEGROES" we found copies of the TORAH, BELIEF IN ONE GOD, AND A FUTURE STATE OF REWARD AND PUNISHMENT IS UNIVERSAL AMONG THEM.
PG 292
I discovered that the Negroes are in posession of a Arabic version of the Pentatauch of Moses which they call Taureta la Moose.
Pg 13
Both Free and enslaved perservere in maintaining the blind but harmless superstitions of their ancestors and are called by MOHAMADANS "Kafir" or "Infidels"
pg 249 and 250
A Child is named when it *7 or 8* days old. If they are asked for what reason then they offer a prayer on the appearence of a *new moon* the answers that custom has made it necessary to do it because there fathers did it.
pg 128
There were many "Jews" at Timbuktu but they all spoke arabic and used the same prayers as the Moors.
Slave Coast Judah

Seattle, WA

#52405 Feb 23, 2013
"ok, i'm pretty sure these people weren't hebrews, and the europeans didn't call them 'jews' cuz they saw judaism being practices all over the place. they were probably using biblical references cuz of what they were doing to them. "

Jus to Add to Reculus observations of Juda in West Africa... IBN Khaldun pre dates Reculus by over 500 years.

"Ibn Khaldun, who lived in the 13th century, a respected authority on Berber history testified about the Black Jews of Western Sudan with whom he personally interacted. The famous muslim geographer al-Idrisi, born in Ceuta, Spain in the 12th century, wrote extensively about Jewish Negroes in the Western Sudan.
Black Jews were fully integrated and achieved pre-eminence in many West African kingdoms. For instance Jews were believed to have settled in great West African empires such as Songhai, Mali, Ghana and Kanem-Bornu empires. According to numerous accounts of contemporary visitors to the region several rulers, and administrators of the Songhai empire were of Jewish origins until Askia Muhammad came to power in 1492 and decreed that all Jews either convert to Islam or leave the region. See Ismael Diadie Haidara,“Les Juifs a` Timbouctou”, Recueil de sources relatives au commerce juif a Timbouctou au XIXe siecle, Editions Donniya, Bamako, 1999."

^^^^^^^^^^

Travels in the interior of Africa
by Mungo Park.

pg.253

"There were MANY Yahudim living in Africa and among the "NEGROES" we found copies of the TORAH, BELIEF IN ONE GOD, AND A FUTURE STATE OF REWARD AND PUNISHMENT IS UNIVERSAL AMONG THEM.

PG 292

I discovered that the Negroes are in posession of a Arabic version of the Pentatauch of Moses which they call Taureta la Moose.

Pg 13

Both Free and enslaved perservere in maintaining the blind but harmless superstitions of their ancestors and are called by MOHAMADANS "Kafir" or "Infidels"

pg 249 and 250

A Child is named when it *7 or 8* days old. If they are asked for what reason then they offer a prayer on the appearence of a *new moon* the answers that custom has made it necessary to do it because there fathers did it.

pg 128

There were many "Jews" at Timbuktu but they all spoke arabic and used the same prayers as the Moors.

Throughout my postings here, Ive maintained that our ancestors observed these isralite rituals and another white historical account has proved me right.

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#52406 Feb 23, 2013
Slave Coast Judah wrote:
i don't see anything that would suggest these people were actually jews,"
Yes you do. lol.
Especially when you add the testimony of these men... See in a court of Law, one witness will do)sometimes) but multiple witnesses... case closed. How is it that different travellers reported the same findings. But of course Im preaching to the choir, right? I mean it was you that said AA are Hebrews. Anyway lets not take the testimony of Reculus as it satnds alone as many other Eroupe and Arab travellers reported thge same observations.
Jus to Add to Reculus observations of Juda in West Africa... IBN Khaldun pre dates Reculus by over 500 years.
"Ibn Khaldun, who lived in the 13th century, a respected authority on Berber history testified about the Black Jews of Western Sudan with whom he personally interacted. The famous muslim geographer al-Idrisi, born in Ceuta, Spain in the 12th century, wrote extensively about Jewish Negroes in the Western Sudan.
Black Jews were fully integrated and achieved pre-eminence in many West African kingdoms. For instance Jews were believed to have settled in great West African empires such as Songhai, Mali, Ghana and Kanem-Bornu empires. According to numerous accounts of contemporary visitors to the region several rulers, and administrators of the Songhai empire were of Jewish origins until Askia Muhammad came to power in 1492 and decreed that all Jews either convert to Islam or leave the region. See Ismael Diadie Haidara,“Les Juifs a` Timbouctou”, Recueil de sources relatives au commerce juif a Timbouctou au XIXe siecle, Editions Donniya, Bamako, 1999."
you changing the subject. i already know bout the hebrew presence among the mande and their empires. this is well document, and i've posted my own links in the past on this.

i'm dealing with this other stuff. the kingdom of Dahomey, and the city of 'juda'.

i ain't finding no kinda judaism in this place. in fact what this does is explain why you might see some biblical references on old african maps.
this probably had more to do with using biblical concepts to define these people than it did with literally identifying them as such.

you know, like how someone might call their dog 'samson'.
Slave Coast Judah

Seattle, WA

#52407 Feb 23, 2013
this probably had more to do with using biblical concepts to define these people than it did with literally identifying them as such.

you know, like how someone might call their dog 'samson'.

I dont agree. Its more likely that the voodoo was coming from the Dahomeian Yoruba animalist who conquered Whydah.
African AE

Randburg, South Africa

#52408 Feb 23, 2013
Slave Coast Judah wrote:
"ok, i'm pretty sure these people weren't hebrews, and the europeans didn't call them 'jews' cuz they saw judaism being practices all over the place. they were probably using biblical references cuz of what they were doing to them. "
Jus to Add to Reculus observations of Juda in West Africa... IBN Khaldun pre dates Reculus by over 500 years.
"Ibn Khaldun, who lived in the 13th century, a respected authority on Berber history testified about the Black Jews of Western Sudan with whom he personally interacted. The famous muslim geographer al-Idrisi, born in Ceuta, Spain in the 12th century, wrote extensively about Jewish Negroes in the Western Sudan.
Black Jews were fully integrated and achieved pre-eminence in many West African kingdoms. For instance Jews were believed to have settled in great West African empires such as Songhai, Mali, Ghana and Kanem-Bornu empires. According to numerous accounts of contemporary visitors to the region several rulers, and administrators of the Songhai empire were of Jewish origins until Askia Muhammad came to power in 1492 and decreed that all Jews either convert to Islam or leave the region. See Ismael Diadie Haidara,“Les Juifs a` Timbouctou”, Recueil de sources relatives au commerce juif a Timbouctou au XIXe siecle, Editions Donniya, Bamako, 1999."
^^^^^^^^^^
Travels in the interior of Africa
by Mungo Park.
pg.253
"There were MANY Yahudim living in Africa and among the "NEGROES" we found copies of the TORAH, BELIEF IN ONE GOD, AND A FUTURE STATE OF REWARD AND PUNISHMENT IS UNIVERSAL AMONG THEM.
PG 292
I discovered that the Negroes are in posession of a Arabic version of the Pentatauch of Moses which they call Taureta la Moose.
Pg 13
Both Free and enslaved perservere in maintaining the blind but harmless superstitions of their ancestors and are called by MOHAMADANS "Kafir" or "Infidels"
pg 249 and 250
A Child is named when it *7 or 8* days old. If they are asked for what reason then they offer a prayer on the appearence of a *new moon* the answers that custom has made it necessary to do it because there fathers did it.
pg 128
There were many "Jews" at Timbuktu but they all spoke arabic and used the same prayers as the Moors.
Throughout my postings here, Ive maintained that our ancestors observed these isralite rituals and another white historical account has proved me right.
They were all converts. DNA testing shows they are converts.
African AE

Randburg, South Africa

#52409 Feb 23, 2013
Scientists have done DNA testing everywhere in the world. DNA testing in Sub-Saharan Africa shows only the Lemba tribe of Southern Africa have Jewish DNA.
Slave Coast Judah

United States

#52410 Feb 23, 2013
DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
<quoted text>
you changing the subject. i already know bout the hebrew presence among the mande and their empires. this is well document, and i've posted my own links in the past on this.
i'm dealing with this other stuff. the kingdom of Dahomey, and the city of 'juda'.
i ain't finding no kinda judaism in this place. in fact what this does is explain why you might see some biblical references on old african maps.
this probably had more to do with using biblical concepts to define these people than it did with literally identifying them as such.
you know, like how someone might call their dog 'samson'.
. "Using biblical concepts to define these people"

The Samson dog analogy is retarded. It makes no sense.
Slave Coast Judah

United States

#52411 Feb 24, 2013
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>They were all converts. DNA testing shows they are converts.
Let's see the conversion records. What year were they converted and by which brand of Gews. Kanazi or Seph? Also let's kill this Lemba BS. The Lemba didn't need validation from Israel. The Lemba stated we are the original Hebrews Not we absorbed a few Kanazi along the way. They treated the Lemba like Anomaly. So there are millions of eroupean of authentic Gewish descent but only a few thousand Lemba. The Lemba being "discovered" by Israel satisfies the African Pressence of Torah? BTW where's their Law of Return. So the Ethiopians are converts but have full access but the Lemba who are authentic via DNA test don't? Conversion is the key, not DNA.
Africa AE

Randburg, South Africa

#52412 Feb 24, 2013
Slave Coast Judah wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see the conversion records. What year were they converted and by which brand of Gews. Kanazi or Seph? Also let's kill this Lemba BS. The Lemba didn't need validation from Israel. The Lemba stated we are the original Hebrews Not we absorbed a few Kanazi along the way. They treated the Lemba like Anomaly. So there are millions of eroupean of authentic Gewish descent but only a few thousand Lemba. The Lemba being "discovered" by Israel satisfies the African Pressence of Torah? BTW where's their Law of Return. So the Ethiopians are converts but have full access but the Lemba who are authentic via DNA test don't? Conversion is the key, not DNA.
Israel has been using DNA to see who is entitled to live in Israel because they are being flooded by economic refugees out of Africa who are making all sorts of claims to being real Jews, no different to AA people! The Lemba are entitled to come to Israel if they convert!
African AE

Randburg, South Africa

#52413 Feb 24, 2013
This will shut Afrocentrics up! Not only are the Jews originally from the Middle East but virtually the whole of Europe. The Neolithic farmers in the Middle East traveled into Europe and taught the Europeans how to farm! Their skeletons are found as far as Britain and everywhere else in Europe!

isteve.blogspot.com/2010/10/are-europeans-all...

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