Hebrew Israelite

[African AE]

JOHNS ON TOP OF IT wrote:

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I hate to make you trolls look like FOOLS. No, wait a minute, on the REAL HAND, I just LOVE TO MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE THE IDIOTS YOU ARE!
Now acorrding to y'alls on favorite Research Source "Wikipedia!" Arabs intered the African continent for the "FIRST TIME IN THE 7TH CENTURY A.D...and that was following the DEATH OF PROPHET MOHAMED IN 632 A.D.
FROM WIKIPEDIA:
The Muslim conquest of North Africa continued the century of rapid Arab Muslim military expansion following the death of Muhammad in 632 CE. By 640 the Arabs controlled Mesopotamia, had invaded Armenia, and were concluding their conquest of Byzantine Syria. Damascus was the seat of the Umayyad caliphate. And by the end of 641 all of Egypt was in Arab hands. Then, with the destruction of the Persian army at the Battle of Nihawand (Nehawand) in 642, the conquest of the Persian Empire was essentially finished.
NOW, ARE YOU GOING TO CALL THE COMPILERS OF THE SOURCE ABOVE LIARS AND SELF HATERS??? I MEAN, DID THEY NOT LEAVE NORTHERN ARABIA AND TURKEY? THEN MAKE THEIR WAY SOUTH IN TO ANCIENT CANAAN (ISRAEL), FROM THE NORTH???
Before 632 A.D. Syria and Palestine were Christian not Islamic. The Arabs in 632 A.D. "EXPANDED," in to what we KNOW TODAY as "Southern Arabia!!!" If you were to STUDY their OWN HISTORICAL RECORDS...YOU'D KNOW THIS EASILY ACCESSABLE INFORMATION (DUUUUUUH).
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainText...
Common SENSE would alert a REASONABLE HUMAN BEING to the FACT , that IF KEMET (aka today...EGYPT) is over 5,000 YEARS OLD!!! There is NO WAY, not even in a FANTASY WORLD, that people who SUDDENLY SHOWED UP 1,390 (632 A.D...AFTER MOHAMEDS DEATH) SOMETHING YEARS AGO. "BUILT SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN STANDING FOR A MINIMUM OF 3,610 YEARS...BEFORE THWY EVER ENTERED THE AFRICAN CONTINENT...OR FOR THAT MATTER...WHAT WE KNOW TODAY AS -SOUTHERN ARABIS-???" I MEAN, C'MON HERE, THIS ISN'T ROCKEY SCIENCE??? NATIVE AFRICANS BUILT -KMT-...KEMET (aka...EGYPT). WHY DO YOU PEOPLE CONTINUOUSLY "LIE," ABOUT THIS SUBJECT???
NOW HERE'S THE REAL HISTORY OF WEST AFRICAN PEOPLE. SHOWING THERE MIGRATION FROM NORTH/NORTH EAST AFRICA OVER THE PAST 3,000+ YEARS!!!
http://www.slideserve.com/paul/the-bantu-peop...
YOU CAN TRY TO DENY THE TRUTHS AT THE ABOVE LINK, BUT YOU ONLY MAKE YOURSELVES AND YOUR COHORT IN TO EVEN BIGER LIARS!!!

Arabs are Caucasian! Thats why the Middle East is Caucasian today! Africans originated in Sub-Saharan Africa not anywhere else. Egyptians ARE ARABS! You are of West African origin!

[Judah Ben Levi]

White_Rabbit wrote:

<quoted text>and yet you always make your wake back to WEINERVILLE! You just...ugh....your big contradiction. You call yhe thread dumb, us dumb, WHY DI YOU COME HERE? We dont force our INFERENCE on anyone. They come to us, so with that being said YOUR THE IDIOT US.

I cant send u a pm. ur gonna wanna see this. Its not for everyone to see.

[African AE]

Yahuda wrote:

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I agree. So why are we talking about them. Looms, sometimes I feel u, then u remind me why I despise your kind. Just put everybody in bhi box , LOL.

But you still are a bunch of idiots, THere is absolutely NO PROOF that you are real Hebrews but on and on you go about being real Hebrews! You make fools of yourself. Even my Muslim friends think you are a joke!

[African AE]

Interesting wrote:

I have a question and I'm not saying this to be a smart ass..I'm genuously curious.
I've read on many posts in here that DNA can determine if you are a Hebrew or not...but what exactly is Hebrew DNA? Also, how is it possible to have this DNA when the Israelites were expelled out of ROME in 70A.D and there is still debate as to where they went?(North in Europe vs. North & West Africa).
Oh and one more thing that confuses me...A Hebrew according to Torah is a descendant of Abraham...Out of Abraham came 3 nations (Ishmaelites, Edomites, and Israelites)..There is a consensus in the Islam community that the modern day Arabs (including modern day Egyptians) are Ishmaelites...
Lots of debate on who Edom is (though the bible does point to the Greeks and Romans which would mean Caucasians)<---I refuse to argue this..it's just a statement.
Lots of debate on the Israelites as well but in general most people would agree that it's either the Caucasians (including Jewish whites)...JUST Jewish whites or claims of the Israelite Movement (Black..or Black, Native and Latino of the slave trade)
If Abraham is the father of "Many nations" wouldn't that mean that there are many "races" of people that could be Hebrews? If not, why? Mind you, I'm talking about HEBREWS in general not particular Hebrews (Ishmael, Esau or Israel)

PLEASE WATCH
www.youtube.com/watch...

As for the Edomites they came from Abraham. Esau was Abrahams grandson! Most people in the world DO NOT have Middle Eastern DNA. Please read about DNA because you dont seem to know anything!

[Barros Serrano]

White_Rabbit wrote:

<quoted text>and yet you always make your wake back to WEINERVILLE! You just...ugh....your big contradiction. You call yhe thread dumb, us dumb, WHY DI YOU COME HERE? We dont force our INFERENCE on anyone. They come to us, so with that being said YOUR THE IDIOT US.

You're the idiot, boy. You're not a Hebrew.

The Hebrews are in Israel today, got their land back... and now you wish to deny them their identity? After all the racism they've taken along the way?

You truly are nothing but lowlife scum. In person I'll kick that Hebrew pretention right out of you, boy.

[African AE]

unfazed wrote:

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Right.
Those groups are part of the jewish arm. jewish agents. Anytime you see a group that carry that jewish satanic star, they are agents of the same people.
Thy use that crazy mess to counter and try to knowck out the REAL ISRAELITES that are being awakened.
Anytime you hear them use the tactic of labels and calling anyone they are in fear of, a BHI, know that those people are jews.

Old woman you from West Africa originally. The real Hebrews/Israelites/Jews are in their rightful home Israel. You are a pathetic joke!

[Judah Ben Levi]

Phaed wrote:

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Well it was brought to my attention in Revelation 2:1-2
It talks about a false apostle that visits Asia Minor (Ephesus)..and Paul is the only one there (Acts 19:23-41)
Plus Paul only has (1) witness and our law/customs required (2) witnesses, so Paul is short but how may faith-systems fashion themself according to what Paul taught which sounds like anti-Torah teaching

Icant send you a pm. got some for your eyes only ish to show u.

[Glimmer]

obamahamza08 wrote:

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HEBREWS ISRAELITES IS A RACE OF PEOPLE BUT JUIDAISM IS A RELIGION

Terms like 'Hebrew' or 'Israelite' are not new, but these words deliberately joined very recently to form 'Hebrew Israelities' often never defined but confused, despite the chaoes. Relatively, the term Judiasm rooted at least after the formation of the Kingdom of Judah, and the term 'Jew' is often linked to that.

However, if we have to be frank, there has never been race of Israelities or Jews, even before the fall of the second temple. If you see the bible, the religion of Israelities has long been granted to gentiles, and since then there is no called single race of Jews or Israelities. The Second Isaiah, the Book of Ruth, the Book of Jonah and the apocryphal Book of Judith all call for Judaism to accept gentiles, and even for the whole world to adopt the "religion of Moses.

"ALL NATIONS SHALL FLOW UNTO IT"

In almost all the narratives produced by the proto-Zionist and even Zionist historians, conversion is mentioned as one reason for the vast presence of Jewish believers throughout the ancient world before the fall of the Second Temple

"And it shall come to pass in the last days that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths"
(Isa. 2:2-3)

Ruth the Moabite, great-grandmother of King David, follows Boaz and
marries him without any problem.49 Similarly, in the Book of Judith, Achior the Ammonite, influenced by Judith, converts to Judaism.

Yet both of them belonged to peoples that Deuteronomy strictly prohibited: "An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the Lord for ever"
(Deut. 23:3).

"Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens" (Jer. 10:11). Them = Gentiles

In Ezekiel, God says: "Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord" (Ezek. 38:23).

"For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent" (Zeph. 3:9).

"Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem,and to pray before the Lord. Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you" (Zech. 8:22-3).

"O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph. For the Lord most high is terrible; he is a great
King over all the earth" (Ps. 47:1-2)

"O bless our God, ye people, and make the voice of his praise to be heard" (Ps. 66:8)

"Declare his glory among the heathen, his wonders among all people" (Ps. 96:3).

[Glimmer]

It is mostly in the Book of Deuteronomy, that a concept of race was stressed.

Every firmly, "Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto your son ... For thou art a holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth" (Deut. 7:3, 6).

Yet the heroes of biblical mythology ignored these divine prohibitions—Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, David and Solomon are all shown as lovers of gentile women who never bothered to convert their chosen spouses. Abraham lived happily with Hagar until forced by Sarah to send her away; Joseph took the Egyptian Aseneth to wife; David married a princess of Geshur; and Solomon, the great lover, had no qualms about taking Edomite, Sidonite, Ammonite and Moabite women, among others. When these stories were written, whether during the
Persian or Hellenistic period, a child's religious and communal identity was not determined by the mother, and evidently the anonymous authors were
unperturbed by this issue.

So who advocated the concept of race in this world, as opposed to the words of the Bible? And who are true followers of the Bible?

Simple, the concept of Jewish as race was advocated by few 'Europian Jew Converts' never had a knowledge of the ancient biblical life, and these people are relatively new to that culture. Therefore, these people are actually not Jews, and the true Jews are Christians and followers of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, moses, David and Solomon,

[African AE]

Glimmer wrote:

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Terms like 'Hebrew' or 'Israelite' are not new, but these words deliberately joined very recently to form 'Hebrew Israelities' often never defined but confused, despite the chaoes. Relatively, the term Judiasm rooted at least after the formation of the Kingdom of Judah, and the term 'Jew' is often linked to that.
However, if we have to be frank, there has never been race of Israelities or Jews, even before the fall of the second temple. If you see the bible, the religion of Israelities has long been granted to gentiles, and since then there is no called single race of Jews or Israelities. The Second Isaiah, the Book of Ruth, the Book of Jonah and the apocryphal Book of Judith all call for Judaism to accept gentiles, and even for the whole world to adopt the "religion of Moses.
"ALL NATIONS SHALL FLOW UNTO IT"
In almost all the narratives produced by the proto-Zionist and even Zionist historians, conversion is mentioned as one reason for the vast presence of Jewish believers throughout the ancient world before the fall of the Second Temple
"And it shall come to pass in the last days that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths"
(Isa. 2:2-3)
Ruth the Moabite, great-grandmother of King David, follows Boaz and
marries him without any problem.49 Similarly, in the Book of Judith, Achior the Ammonite, influenced by Judith, converts to Judaism.
Yet both of them belonged to peoples that Deuteronomy strictly prohibited: "An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the Lord for ever"
(Deut. 23:3).
"Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens" (Jer. 10:11). Them = Gentiles
In Ezekiel, God says: "Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord" (Ezek. 38:23).
"For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent" (Zeph. 3:9).
"Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem,and to pray before the Lord. Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you" (Zech. 8:22-3).
"O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph. For the Lord most high is terrible; he is a great
King over all the earth" (Ps. 47:1-2)
"O bless our God, ye people, and make the voice of his praise to be heard" (Ps. 66:8)
"Declare his glory among the heathen, his wonders among all people" (Ps. 96:3).

The Hebrews/Israelites and Jews are related in the bible. They are the same family!

[Glimmer]

Trinitodeworld wrote:

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Trying to convert me man lol na but looking at things West Africans or Central dont add up much to Israel, no direct linkage at all. If there were this idea could have never been an argument or deeply questioned. East/Northern Africa has way more connection even in the bible.
But since my grandparents are Syrian. These Middle Eastern places had way more dealings with each other and Shem was said to be the father of Syria so if anything I would be a lot closer to it on my father side but again I do not care. Israel is not that serious.

I totally agree with your point, but there is even more problem with the Europian Jews who totally based on the myth of the Roman Empire expulsion after 70 C.E.

Flavius Josephus, the historian of the Zealot revolt in the year 66 CE, is almost the only source for this exile, aside from archaeological findings dating to that time. His book Wars of the Jews describes the tragic outcome of that period's conflict. The devastation did not spread throughout the kingdom of Judea, but affected mainly Jerusalem and a number of other fortified cities.
Josephus estimated that 1.1 million people died in the siege of Jerusalem and the great massacre that followed, that 97,000 were taken captive, and that a few thousand more were killed in other cities

Like all ancient historians, Josephus tended to exaggerate his numbers. Today most scholars believe that virtually all demographic figures from antiquity are overstated, and that a good many have numerological significance. Josephus does state that a large number of pilgrims had gathered in Jerusalem before the
uprising, but the assumption that more than a million people were killed there is not credible. The population of the city of Rome at the height of the empire in the second century CE might have approached the size of a medium modern conurbation,4 but there was no such metropolis in the little kingdom of Judea. A cautious estimate suggests that Jerusalem at that time could have had a
population of sixty thousand to seventy thousand inhabitants.

Even if we accept the unrealistic figure of seventy thousand captives, it still does not mean that the evil Titus, who destroyed the Temple, expelled "the Jewish people." Rome's great Arch of Titus shows Roman soldiers carrying the plundered Temple candelabra—not, as taught in Israeli schools, Judean captives carrying it on their way to exile. Nowhere in the abundant Roman
documentation is there any mention of a deportation from Judea. Nor have any traces been found of large refugee populations around the borders of Judea after the uprising, as there would have been if a mass flight had taken place.

The characteristic exaggeration is plain to see (the figures used by ancient historians always seem to call for the subtraction of a zero), but even this grim report says nothing about deportations

So what was the origin of the great myth about the exiling of the Jewish people following the destruction of the Temple?

Israel Jacob Yuval, a historian at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, went further. He proposed to show that the renewed Jewish myth about the exile in fact arose fairly late, and was due mainly to the rise of Christian mythology about the Jews being exiled in punishment for their rejection and crucifixion of Jesus.

It seems that the source of the discourse regarding the
anti-Jewish exile lies in the writings of Justin Martyr, who in the mid-second century linked the expulsion of circumcised men from Jerusalem after the Bar Kokhba revolt with divine collective punishment.13 He was followed by other Christian authors who regarded the presence of Jews outside their sacred land
as the punishment and proof of their sins. The myth of exile began to be slowly appropriated and integrated into Jewish tradition

[Solando]

I don't have the slightest clue why any of this is such a big deal...more importantly..why do people even care?

[Glimmer]

African AE wrote:

<quoted text>The Hebrews/Israelites and Jews are related in the bible. They are the same family!

I know that. If you strictly see these words, they are clear in that all are the 12 sons of Jacob, but divided at the time of Rhebachom, son of solomon in to two. The northern (10 tribes) called Israel and the southern (2 tribes), called the Kingdom of Judah. The term 'Hebrew' is inclusive of all and far ancient, and might be linked with Ebir (Abrahams grand father). However, there has never been a linked term of Hebrew-Israelities in any hystorical records.

[Solando]

Glimmer wrote:

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I know that. If you strictly see these words, they are clear in that all are the 12 sons of Jacob, but divided at the time of Rhebachom, son of solomon in to two. The northern (10 tribes) called Israel and the southern (2 tribes), called the Kingdom of Judah. The term 'Hebrew' is inclusive of all and far ancient, and might be linked with Ebir (Abrahams grand father). However, there has never been a linked term of Hebrew-Israelities in any hystorical records.

What difference does that make? Ishmaelites, Edomites and Israelites are all Hebrews. There is only 1 record of anyone being called a Hebrew in Torah and that's Abraham.

[Ben YISRAEL]

African AE wrote:

<quoted text>But you still are a bunch of idiots, THere is absolutely NO PROOF that you are real Hebrews but on and on you go about being real Hebrews! You make fools of yourself. Even my Muslim friends think you are a joke!

shut up cry baby, you cant use bible to match nobody dna, your crazy

[Yahuda]

Deuteronomy 28:46 KJV
And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

Deuteronomy 28:47-49 KJV
Because thou servedst not the Lord thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things ;

[48] Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the Lord shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things : and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.

[49] The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;

[Ben YISRAEL]

African AE wrote:

<quoted text>The Hebrews/Israelites and Jews are related in the bible. They are the same family!

jews where scytians,no way its only two set of jews sepharvaims which is a real mixed peoples from babylon, ok Ashkenaz pure scythian, unless they mix with sepharvaim, you got that devil?

[Yahuda]

[59] Then the Lord will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

[Ben YISRAEL]

Glimmer wrote:

It is mostly in the Book of Deuteronomy, that a concept of race was stressed.
Every firmly, "Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto your son ... For thou art a holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth" (Deut. 7:3, 6).
Yet the heroes of biblical mythology ignored these divine prohibitions—Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, David and Solomon are all shown as lovers of gentile women who never bothered to convert their chosen spouses. Abraham lived happily with Hagar until forced by Sarah to send her away; Joseph took the Egyptian Aseneth to wife; David married a princess of Geshur; and Solomon, the great lover, had no qualms about taking Edomite, Sidonite, Ammonite and Moabite women, among others. When these stories were written, whether during the
Persian or Hellenistic period, a child's religious and communal identity was not determined by the mother, and evidently the anonymous authors were
unperturbed by this issue.
So who advocated the concept of race in this world, as opposed to the words of the Bible? And who are true followers of the Bible?
Simple, the concept of Jewish as race was advocated by few 'Europian Jew Converts' never had a knowledge of the ancient biblical life, and these people are relatively new to that culture. Therefore, these people are actually not Jews, and the true Jews are Christians and followers of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, moses, David and Solomon,

if you had brung christanity to a HEBREW nation you would have DIED been DEAD, stoned ran thru with sword in yo 5 rib

[Ben YISRAEL]

African AE wrote:

<quoted text>AGAIN, the Hebrews,Israelites Jews ARE THE SAME PEOPLE AND ARE GENETICALLY RELATED ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE! Read your bible! Jews in Israel are related to other Middle Eastern people. You are a West African in origin and West Africans have nothing to do with the Middle East!

the only hebrew israelite jew is a so-called AA that has converted you dumb ass, your really stupid you must know that, so you say anything,thats stupid