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#42636 Dec 6, 2012
"In Babylon a settlement is set apart for the local philosophers, the Chaldaeans, as they are called, who are concerned mostly with astronomy; but some of these, who are not approved of by the others, profess to be writers of horoscopes.(There is also a tribe of the Chaldaeans, and a territory inhabited by them, in the neighborhood of the Arabs and of the Persian Gulf, as it is called.) There are also several tribes of the Chaldaean astronomers. For example, some are called Orcheni [those from Uruk], others Borsippeni [those from Borsippa], and several others by different names, as though divided into different sects which hold to various dogmas about the same subjects. And the mathematicians make mention of some of these men; as, for example, Kidenas, Nabourianos and Soudines".ok see you see them CHALDEANS STARTED THAT horoscopes.an them NUMBERS GO WITH THEM BANKS!the movement of Sirius, Egyptians came to grips with the fact that the year was more than five days longer than their venerable 360-day calendar. This resulted in a change to their method of approximating year length that had been in use for nearly a millennium. But it also caused them to wonder where the additional days came from. In order to account for these additional days, Egyptians created a myth about their sky-god, Nut.Nabu-rimanni determined the solar year to be 365 days, 6 hours, 15 minutes and 41 seconds. He used a water clock to measure the days, months and the length of the solar year. He also calculated the length of the synodic month;During the reign of the Babylonian king Nabonasser (traditionally dated between 747 and 734 B.C.E.) priest/ astronomers in that country discontinued their practice of looking for the new moon in order to name the beginning of a month. Instead, they returned to a fixed-length calendar that had 12 months of 30 days each, but with five days added at the end. 1 see we still with Babylon

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#42637 Dec 6, 2012
In many depictions, the fiery alter of Molech was located within the 'Belly of the Beast'.Moloch reference from The Continuum Encyclopedia of Symbols (2000 Edition)riginally a Canaanite god to whom human sacrifices were offered. Later, he was a general symbol of authorities that corrupt or destroy humans, especially inhuman political systems"2 Kings 17:24And the king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof.u see the word THEY they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof, they aint never left but when themarabs came an started a religion an then tryed to run them off!2 Kings 17:25 And so it was at the beginning of their dwelling there, that they feared not the LORD: therefore the LORD sent lions among them, which slew some of them.2 Kings 17:27Then the king of Assyria commanded, saying, Carry thither one of the priests whom ye brought from thence; and let them go and dwell there, and let him teach them the manner of the God of the land,they brung a brother back from captivity hn had him teach them! they wasnt originally from there! they killed the scribes off! just befo that!2 Kings 17:29Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put them in the houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every nation in their cities wherein they dwelt.Ashima=is one of several deities protecting the individual cities of Samaria who are mentioned specifically by name in 2 Kings 17:30 in the Hebrew Bible. From the scribes' point of view the cities should not have been making cult images ("idols"), because they had agreed to worship the God of the Israelites that had once lived in the land, as described in some detail in the 2 Kings 17:30Ashima was praised by tribes in what appears to be Asia Minor but more specifically by Hamath, who were later deported to Samaria in the Land of Israel. The Hebrew Bible states that the goddess should not be worshiped, but that the Samaritans nevertheless worshiped her, together with other deities, clandestinely. 2Kings 17:30 yo Samaritans claim their worship is the true religion of the ancient Israelites prior to the Babylonian Exile, preserved by those who remained in the Land of Israel,we knows that aint true,In the Talmud, a central post-exilic religious text of Judaism, their claim of ancestral origin is disputed, and in those texts they are called Cutheans (Hebrew:, Kuthim), allegedly from the ancient city of Cuthah (Kutha), geographically located in what is today Iraq. Although historically they were a large community — up to more than a million in late Roman times the Samaritans of today say they r Ephraim and Manasseh, who survived the destruction of the Northern kingdom of Israel by the Assyrians in 722 BC. they telling a fat lie easy to show them a lie like all the jews!after 721 our people had 135 years to make it back HOME ! Ephraim and Manasseh, would have been the first to go into eygpt since they roots was stronger then anybodys! them two tribes was born in africa!,Ephraim and Manasseh,was thats why in Jeremiah 43:5But Johanan the son of Kareah, and all the captains of the forces, took all the remnant of Judah, that were returned from all nations, whither they had been driven, to dwell in the land of Judah Jeremiah 43:6Even men, and women, and children, and the king's daughters, and every person that Nebuzaradan the captain of the guard had left with Gedaliah the son of Ahikam the son of Shaphan, and Jeremiah the prophet, and Baruch the son of NeriahJeremiah 43:7So they came into the land of Egypt: for they obeyed not the voice of the LORD: thus came they even to Tahpanhes. u see the king of Babylon didnt say go bring one of them out of africa to teach the Samaritans r the sepharviams -sephardics

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#42638 Dec 6, 2012
Glimmer wrote:
For sure, much less than 10% of the AAs would vote for their claims. I know there are many AAs that are logical and scientific in thier thinking. Even, I would say many are disappointed by this rubbish claims and consider it as self denyal and weakinig of moral. I would be happy if I could invite AA scholars, and they definately reject this belief, and stick to their West African origin. Education is power!!!!!!!!!!
Amharas don't number like sands of the sea!!!!
27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel:
“Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea, only the remnant will be saved.

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#42639 Dec 6, 2012
Fixing to Break this down for those that got a GRIP on this Heritage! check this!Tiglath-Pileser III or Shalmaneser V, both of whom exercised sovereignty over Babylonia (729–722 B.C.E.).With the death of Shalmaneser V, Merodach-Baladan seized the Babylonian throne (722/721 B.C.E.)ok the Assyrians that had a lil Ham in them tried to STATION OUR BEST FIGHTER IN the Place where the Chaldeans was staging their Attacks on Babylon this going to be when Assyria was In control of Babylon!ok to show you that they took the BEST FIGHTERS see back then a solder would be given a chance to join the Enemy's army! an live! they had away to control the Soldier from other Nations!ok lets look into this!!2 Kings 15:30 The sons of Reuben, and the Gadites, and half the tribe of Manasseh, of valiant men, men able to bear buckler and sword, and to shoot with bow, and skilful in war, were four and forty thousand seven hundred and threescore, that went out to the war.them was the ones the Assyrians took.they was the tribes the Assyrians took from our land, they was the fighters fighting Assyria everybody THEY WAS SKILLFUL do you knows what that means? they gone be a SOLDIERS THAT KILL REAL GOOD an LOVE THE WAR of ANYKIND!THEY WAS THE BEST!ok lets look at the tribes the Assyrians took an this DUDE DID IT Tiglath-Pileser III,.1 Chronicles 5:26;And the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh, and brought them unto Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river Gozan, unto this day. they took our fighters only, ok they put us in the HEART OF BABYLON TO FIGHT the CHALDEAN S plus WE HAD TO DO PUNISH MENT FOR FOOLING WITH THE ASSYRIANS which turned on us when the CHALDEAN STOCK TOOK BABYLON use helping the Assyrian, an fooling with THEM BRUNG US DOWN its all in the BIBLE,Assyia came an got our FIGHTING TRIBES,! The sons of 1 Chronicles 5:18;Reuben, and the Gadites, and half the tribe of Manasseh, of valiant men, men able to bear buckler and sword, and to shoot with bow, and skilful in war, were four and forty thousand seven hundred and threescore, that went out to the war.The sons of Reuben, and the Gadites, and half the tribe of Manasseh,.... These all joined together, living together on the one side of Jordan,They were the sons of Valour," i.e., they belonged to the valiant warriors, "men bearing shield and sword (weapons of offence and defence), and those treading (or bending) the bow," i.e. skilful bowmen.,so them Assyrians taking them tribes gone help them fight against the MERODACH-BALADAN;a Chaldean he wrested the kingship of Babylonia from the pro-Assyrian king Nabunadin-zer. Merodach-Baladan, who also had designs on the kingship, supported the Assyrian king Tiglath-Pileser III,when he Placed the SEPHARVIAMS in Samaria, it was a move the CHALDEAN S wanted to get to them BOOKS in Bethel where Jeroboam had set up a RELIGION, from Egypt, the DEVIL MERODACH-BALADAN was able to trick the Assyrians so MERODACH-BALADAN He was thus able to strengthen his position among the Chaldean tribes, increase his influence in Babylonia, and forge an alliance with Elam,without interference from Tiglath-Pileser III or Shalmaneser V, both of whom exercised sovereignty over Babylonia(729–722 B.C.E.).With the death of Shalmaneser V, Merodach-Baladan seized the Babylonian throne(722/721 see we gone be there on the ASSYRIAN SIDE Fighting the Chaldeans an when they Take ASSYRIA in 612BC the Hebrews Assyria an the Egyptians would have been cool for 90 years!the The Saite period,once the CHALDEANS.612 BC—An alliance of Medes, Scythians, Neo-Babylonians and Susianians besiege and conquer Nineveh at the Battle of Nineveh. King Sin-shar-ishkun of Assyria is killed,612 BC—Fall of the Assyrian Empire and Rise of the Neo-Babylonian Empire. Medes, Scythians, are in Babylon ,Jeremiah 51:27,read it!

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#42640 Dec 6, 2012
JOHNS ON TOP OF IT wrote:
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Man you and looms are always calling your Amhara and Jews Hebrews, but you cannot produce records, showing them fitting this biblical scripture.
68 And the Lord shall [c] bring you into Egypt again with ships by the way about which I said to you, You shall never see it again. And there you shall be sold to your enemies as bondmen and bondwomen, but no man shall buy you. Footnotes:
a. Deuteronomy 28:62 The informed reader scarcely needs to
Well, I have given you several genetic evidences, and what is remaining is to give you documents about Ethiopian Jewish linage and especially that of Ethiopian Jews. It is better if you read it all, so that you may get deeper insight about Ethiopian ancient Jewish linage

http://www.binacf.org/files/The%20Story%20of%...

Read it, it will help you to your understanding.

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#42641 Dec 6, 2012
the king of Scythians, of the lineage of Magog – is in agreement with the Assyrian chronicles, that report Magog as the founder of the Scythian nation in northern Mesopotamia.Trogus Pompeius:«The Scythians possessed the land of Chaldea (Mesopotamia) for 1500 years before any other nations and they are the oldest people of the earth vying even the Egyptians in ancestry».
Plinius:«The Scythian nation by the Persians called Saka was kept as the closest nation to the Arameans of old».(Historiae Naturalis, Book VI)these are your ASHKENAZ an SEPHARVAIM ROOTS

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#42642 Dec 6, 2012
Glimmer wrote:
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Well, I have given you several genetic evidences, and what is remaining is to give you documents about Ethiopian Jewish linage and especially that of Ethiopian Jews. It is better if you read it all, so that you may get deeper insight about Ethiopian ancient Jewish linage
http://www.binacf.org/files/The%20Story%20of%...
Read it, it will help you to your understanding.
hell you want devil??

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#42643 Dec 6, 2012
african wrote:
Glimmer you seem to be very confused claiming the exact same people the Jews of today descended from. The Ashkenazi Jew, Shepardi Jews and the North African Jews are closely related and DNA proves that they come from the same ancestor in Israel thousands of years ago. DNA taken from the Ethopian Jews shows they are not related to any of the above groups at all but developed in isolation and therefore are not Jews but converts. The Lemba are the only black Africans that have Jewish DNA but will have to convert to Judaism if the ever want to go to Israel because they are Christian Jews. Thats right you get Christian Jews! No other black Africans have Jewish DNA and the right-wing Jews and Reform Jews have shut the doors to African converts. Jews in Israel only accept children from Jewish women as real Jews so its only a matter of time before Jewish men who have wives that are not Jews will no longer allowed in Israel.
Other than the DNA evidence I gave you, it is better if you have some information about Ethiopian Jews. Just read it, and come up with your comments

http://www.binacf.org/files/The%20Story%20of%...

I am not a Jew, but an orthodox christian.

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#42644 Dec 6, 2012
they call hebrew DNA negro! that why u cant c pass truth! negro bad name! attach anything to the negro name an its made to look bad! that negro name they the jews build it up to what it is thru they books media! schools! all those name r made up by non other then the jews! we didnt even speak English when we came! they the jews had names an history waiting on us when we got off ships! they gave us these names! jews own the plantations we was forced to work on! plus they the jews wrote themselves out of history! they was the slave holders!,if i make a name bad an say all kind of bad things bout that name!an i keep doing it decade after decade! any name r meaning associtated wit that name is made bad! why cant u dumb whitepeople c this? cause u dont want to! yo heart is evil!deep n yo mind u know the truth! u just dont want it to spread!

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#42645 Dec 6, 2012
Ben YISRAEL wrote:
<quoted text>hell you want devil??
Do you think I have something against your learning of the bible? No! I am even in support of you calling yourself a Jewish convert, if you want. What I am requesting is your evidences to be Jewish descendant by blood.

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#42646 Dec 6, 2012
Ben YISRAEL wrote:
they call hebrew DNA negro! that why u cant c pass truth! negro bad name! attach anything to the negro name an its made to look bad! that negro name they the jews build it up to what it is thru they books media! schools! all those name r made up by non other then the jews! we didnt even speak English when we came! they the jews had names an history waiting on us when we got off ships! they gave us these names! jews own the plantations we was forced to work on! plus they the jews wrote themselves out of history! they was the slave holders!,if i make a name bad an say all kind of bad things bout that name!an i keep doing it decade after decade! any name r meaning associtated wit that name is made bad! why cant u dumb whitepeople c this? cause u dont want to! yo heart is evil!deep n yo mind u know the truth! u just dont want it to spread!
Why are you always running to your poletics? You are talking non-sense and something that you should forget. I am now to attach your claims as a revenge to the Jews? Is it? that is rediucules. They are one way or the other carried certain genes from the middle-east while almost zero in your case. Don't be fanatic poletician pls!

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#42647 Dec 6, 2012
Glimmer wrote:
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Do you think I have something against your learning of the bible? No! I am even in support of you calling yourself a Jewish convert, if you want. What I am requesting is your evidences to be Jewish descendant by blood.
not good enough devil

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#42648 Dec 6, 2012
Glimmer wrote:
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Why are you always running to your poletics? You are talking non-sense and something that you should forget. I am now to attach your claims as a revenge to the Jews? Is it? that is rediucules. They are one way or the other carried certain genes from the middle-east while almost zero in your case. Don't be fanatic poletician pls!
gas fo yo weak ass

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#42649 Dec 6, 2012
Glimmer wrote:
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Do you think I have something against your learning of the bible? No! I am even in support of you calling yourself a Jewish convert, if you want. What I am requesting is your evidences to be Jewish descendant by blood.
It's not for me to tell but you still have not understood that Hebrew Israelites don't have any part with anything Jew-ish, they don't want to be confused with the Jew-ish people and even less with the colonial Jew-ish Zionist state of "Israel".

The point is not being a Jewish convert.
It is not either reading the Bible, everybody can read the bible even an "edomite" like me. The question is and has always been to interpret the Bible.
Then Hebrew Israelites - with some big differences exposed in the whole thread - are considering they are the Chosen People and give another reading of the Bible than Jewish people and Christians (Orthodox, Protestants or Catholics).
As for the focus on DNA, there is no DNA testing form in the Bible : The Name is not asking people to pass a DNA test to be within The Chosen.

i hope these plain elements will help you to better understand what is at stake in this thread because you seem completely lost among words with different meanings from those you stick to.

a white/redboi
White Rabbitl

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#42650 Dec 6, 2012
Judah wrote:
<quoted text> no ish. We all know tribes in Africa dont have jewish DNA. And..... Not everyone uses Jewish law and DNA as the standard. The Lemba didnt need a DNA test to validate them, lmhao. Like I said, what you keep ignoring, the Hebraic historical accounts, archaeolgy, traditions, and rituals among specific tribes in centreal west africa , is undeniable and not debatable. And Yes the AA and West Indian are decendents of these tribes. We are decendents of the biggest forced dispersal of a people in world history. You dont think God wrote about the Trans atlantic slave trade? Get real. If your going to just post dna wiki stats all day your waisting your time here. Can u provide some scriptures for once. Is this the Hebrew biblical Isralite thread or not? If the.bible aint a solid source wtf are u doing here?
judah you and me both know they could care less about some damn bible. They havent even consider the fact that its written in a LAW DICTIONARY as DIVINE LAW. DIVINE LAW which means that NATURALLY its going to happen or that natured decreed and predestined all that id happening now by the people who by the will of the most high used mathematics to determine what would happen in a later time in result of certain behavior patterns. They cant get past the BLACK FOLKS CIMING TOGETHER FOR A COMMON CAUSE. We come together in reverence to declare our selves by sound mind and real reason that we are by LAW these people in this law. the scriptures are no different than the american constititution. The AAs are the PEOPLE and the our ancestors wrote that Testament( Will, contract) and the articles( statutes, commandments) divinely, positively, and naturally inspired and to be executed. It is by natures law that such a time would come where we would wake up, even to here that we are not who we say we are from our advesaries. We dont no compensation from anybody outside our goal because our deliverance is determined reason of your concern, or unnessary philosphy, yes i said PHILOSIPHY. For all the non believers or INFIDELS on topix look up Divine Law, Nature Law, Positive Law in the law dictionary, ill have the crazy ready when you need to pick up your craked egg face!
White Rabbitl

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#42651 Dec 6, 2012
Glimmer wrote:
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Do you think I have something against your learning of the bible? No! I am even in support of you calling yourself a Jewish convert, if you want. What I am requesting is your evidences to be Jewish descendant by blood.
well then its simple anybody who can READ can see whats going on in those scriptures glimmer. Your a christian and dont know this book is divine law. Your suppose to be governing yourself accordjng to the old testament. Oh my bad yall christians dont live by the old testament, yall live by the word of JESUS CHRIST lol! That wholw GRACE concept is going to get yall christians in a world of trouble. Considering the fact that Grace is no other then the permission from a new power proceeding supposedly fron the old, to do anything that your not supposed to be doing and you get pardoned from it. If thats how you want to live fine, but then WHO HOLDS YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR ACTION. If your faith doesnt provide correction or hold you accountable then your faith is a fraud. Alsi let it be a known fact that we never referred to our selves as jews but only in the heritage that they usurped from us. The funny thing is those caucasians AKNOWLEDGE themselves so your gram of insight as to who they are and who we are is dubious. As far as resulting to politics, you missed the point that the SCRIPTURES are LAW. How is it that your a christian oh my bad a pagan who thinks hes king, and cant see this. Before you come and tell us who we are, how about yout go clear up the issues that you have with your RELIGION, we dont believe in fairy tells, and its obvious you do.
White Rabbitl

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#42652 Dec 6, 2012
attai1 wrote:
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It's not for me to tell but you still have not understood that Hebrew Israelites don't have any part with anything Jew-ish, they don't want to be confused with the Jew-ish people and even less with the colonial Jew-ish Zionist state of "Israel".
The point is not being a Jewish convert.
It is not either reading the Bible, everybody can read the bible even an "edomite" like me. The question is and has always been to interpret the Bible.
Then Hebrew Israelites - with some big differences exposed in the whole thread - are considering they are the Chosen People and give another reading of the Bible than Jewish people and Christians (Orthodox, Protestants or Catholics).
As for the focus on DNA, there is no DNA testing form in the Bible : The Name is not asking people to pass a DNA test to be within The Chosen.
i hope these plain elements will help you to better understand what is at stake in this thread because you seem completely lost among words with different meanings from those you stick to.
a white/redboi
yall are really underestimating this guy. The stage is yours today man.

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#42653 Dec 6, 2012
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For sure, much less than 10% of the AAs would vote for their claims. I know there are many AAs that are logical and scientific in thier thinking. Even, I would say many are disappointed by this rubbish claims and consider it as self denyal and weakinig of moral. I would be happy if I could invite AA scholars, and they definately reject this belief, and stick to their West African origin. Education is power!!!!!!!!!!
This information I provided you yesterday comes from the genetic atlast...Google it? You're still dodging the questions. Is it because you can't produce the evidence coinciding with the Biblical narrative??? I really would like to know the answer to that question.

Amhara nor Jews are as numerous as the sands of the sea. So, how do you make your numbers mesh with the Biblical narrative??? I really would like a straight forward answer from you for a change. Stop being like looms.evry time he can't answer something he's got to slip in some slick attack word like: PARANOIA...OR SOME OTHER STUPID SHYT LIKE THAT. YOU EVEN DID IT YOURSELF YESTERDAY. BUT I'M PART THAT AN JUST WANT REAL ANSWERS.

frequencies Neohumanid mutative history Y- Population tree DNA studies
E1b1a (V100) This population is one of two important populations to spring out of the Ethiopian Plateau, E1b1a effect became the most dominant population in Subsaharan Africa E1b1a1 (M2) This population grew in enough numbers in the Ethiopian lowlands to be able to cross into the territories of Paleo Africans on their West E1b1a1a (L576) This population represents an East to West thrust in Africa, only E1b1a lineage able to survive crossing the A1b1 territories E1b1a1a1 (L86.1) This mutation indicates that the population crossed the A1b1 dominated Grassland into the regions West of the great Lakes E1b1a1a1a (M58) Expansion between the Great Lakes & Midwest Africa E1b1a1a1b (M116.2) Very small minority in Mali E1b1a1a1c (M149) Very small minority in South Africa E1b1a1a1d (M155) Very small minority in Mali E1b1a1a1e (M10) Dispersed between Cameroon & Tanzania E1b1a1a1f (L485) An important lineage that emerged in the Eastern Benue valley E1b1a1a1f1 (L514) Marker for a strong lineage that played a major role in turning West Africa into their new territor E1b1a1a1f1a (M191) This marker indicates that the main body of (L485) reached the Benue Rive E1b1a1a1f1a1 (P252) A population that followed the Benue river South, an important marker of the Bantu expansion E1b1a1a1f1a1a (P9.2) The population that remained in the Be

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#42654 Dec 6, 2012
Glimmer wrote:
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Well, I have given you several genetic evidences, and what is remaining is to give you documents about Ethiopian Jewish linage and especially that of Ethiopian Jews. It is better if you read it all, so that you may get deeper insight about Ethiopian ancient Jewish linage
http://www.binacf.org/files/The%20Story%20of%...
Read it, it will help you to your understanding.
C'Mon man, you are acting as if I don't know ETHIOPIAN HISTORY OR GENETICS that's passe' for me. I want you to show me where You & Jews fit the Biblical Narative: "BEING A HEBREW SLAVE...YOU KNOW...LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS...ONE WHO COULD BE SOLD!!!"

Then I would like to see you describe how 9th century (Kazars Converts 800 A.D.) Europeans trying be classified as Israel??9
Judah

Tacoma, WA

#42655 Dec 6, 2012
Glimmer wrote:
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Well, actually DNA results sofar, has put the Ashkenazi, almost at the bottom. It is better if you like it, and DNA tests are today linking Africa as the founding linage of Judaism. EM-34 or its descendant EM-84 is the highest in Ethiopia, and the Ashkenazim are not even among the longer list. Sceince is always a real remedy for chaoes and it has to be free and genuine. My friend thought the effort to find common ancesster has convinced him to link them to the ancient, but that was wrong. No body accepts you with out science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E1b1b1c
We are not seeking scientific validation,.thats the point.

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