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#1631 Jun 18, 2013
HODOR88 wrote:
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I agree. An afraid Trayvon would have been home. A frustrated, angry Trayvon would confront the creepy man.
There is one other SLIM possibility that could have been playing itself out. Trayvon could have been lost. It was his fathers girlfriends place. It was getting dark. All the apartments look the same. And the last thing you want when you are lost is some creepy guy following you. This leads to a frustrated, angry Trayvon. Slim possibility, but possible, none the less.
This post proves how retarded you Zimmerman fans are Trayvon was not lost, the alleyway in which he was killed, was the alleyway that his father's girl lived. He was not frustrated and in fact, he was having a lovely conversation with his girl before the phat fk came and messed things up.

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#1632 Jun 18, 2013
NotSoDivineMsM wrote:
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Seriously aisling, do you really believe that? Trayvon had Skittles and Ice Tea in his hands. Dispatch had NO idea other than what GZ told him about Trayvon. You and HODOR don't seem to be the least bit concerned that someone died over GZ's actions which were reckless and lacking common sense. His actions and comments since this incident speak volumes about who he thinks he is. It's too bad daddy can't bail him out of this mess and he has affected more than just his life with his senseless actions.....Still sayin'.....
Zimmerman supporters will do anything to defend him, even to the point of lying for him and making up facts.
aisling-

Marion, OH

#1633 Jun 18, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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And just how was the dispatcher supposed to have an accurate opinion on somebody he did not know or even see?
That's exactly it. If you remove all opinions and everything that the media showed, etc., and go strictly by the transcript, there's nothing to indicate that Zimmerman was targeting or stalking anyone based upon race, let alone a "child with candy and iced tea" and who Zimmerman would stalk down to murder in cold blood. It's pretty cut and dry.
aisling-

Marion, OH

#1634 Jun 18, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Zimmerman supporters will do anything to defend him, even to the point of lying for him and making up facts.
The facts are that everyone thinks that Zimmerman should have been a mind reader when the fact is that you have to take into consideration that the community had been preyed upon and victimized on several occasions just prior to that night. I guarantee you that if your neighborhood had fallen prey, you tend to see things differently when someone appears to act suspiciously. What if indeed Trayvon had been another POS seeking to victimize that community again? Hindsight is 20/20 and there's that, "Why didn't anyone do anything" when the worst comes to pass. And it was posted that there was a neighborhood watch/that all suspicious activity would be reported to the Police.
aisling-

Marion, OH

#1635 Jun 18, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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This post proves how retarded you Zimmerman fans are Trayvon was not lost, the alleyway in which he was killed, was the alleyway that his father's girl lived. He was not frustrated and in fact, he was having a lovely conversation with his girl before the phat fk came and messed things up.
His gf has already lied under oath. Not to mention she stated that Trayvon initiated the conversation by asking Zimmerman, "why are you following me", and to which Zimmerman responded, "why are you here". At that point an altercation ensued. However, Crump turned it around and made it out that Zimmerman initiated the conversation and which would further impress upon people that Zimmerman was the aggressor.
aisling-

Marion, OH

#1636 Jun 18, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Zimmerman supporters will do anything to defend him, even to the point of lying for him and making up facts.
By the way, fckwit, why don't you tell me which part I'm lying and making facts up about.

Maybe you can explain how it is that someone who is scared for their life, had taken off running w/a full head start, and lost the person, then decides to confront the person to ask why they are following them.

And note that Trayvon, per the gf who has already lied under oath about her whereabouts on the day of his funeral, said, following not chasing or stalking him.

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#1637 Jun 18, 2013
aisling- wrote:
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That's exactly it. If you remove all opinions and everything that the media showed, etc., and go strictly by the transcript, there's nothing to indicate that Zimmerman was targeting or stalking anyone based upon race, let alone a "child with candy and iced tea" and who Zimmerman would stalk down to murder in cold blood. It's pretty cut and dry.
Whether or not Zimmerman profiled Tray based on race is immaterial to me. He still chose to pursue after a boy whom he had no reasonable suspicions against.

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#1638 Jun 18, 2013
aisling- wrote:
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The facts are that everyone thinks that Zimmerman should have been a mind reader when the fact is that you have to take into consideration that the community had been preyed upon and victimized on several occasions just prior to that night. I guarantee you that if your neighborhood had fallen prey, you tend to see things differently when someone appears to act suspiciously. What if indeed Trayvon had been another POS seeking to victimize that community again? Hindsight is 20/20 and there's that, "Why didn't anyone do anything" when the worst comes to pass. And it was posted that there was a neighborhood watch/that all suspicious activity would be reported to the Police.
Zimmerman made himself a mind reader when he assumed that Tray was up to no good.

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#1639 Jun 19, 2013
aisling- wrote:
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His gf has already lied under oath. Not to mention she stated that Trayvon initiated the conversation by asking Zimmerman, "why are you following me", and to which Zimmerman responded, "why are you here". At that point an altercation ensued. However, Crump turned it around and made it out that Zimmerman initiated the conversation and which would further impress upon people that Zimmerman was the aggressor.
I don't really consider that misstatement a relevant one. I cannot see what difference does it make it Tray questioned Zim or Zim questioned him first. it is possible for someone to make a mistake as to which statement came first. But Zimmerman lied many times, including testifying in court that he did not think that Tray was a teenage when on the phone he said that he believed that Tray was.

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#1640 Jun 19, 2013
aisling- wrote:
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By the way, fckwit, why don't you tell me which part I'm lying and making facts up about.
I did not call you a liar nor did I say that you in particular were making up facts. When I was writing that post, I was thinking about the numerous people who posted the pic of another black boy as Tray and the poster who claimed that Tray was lost.
aisling- wrote:
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Maybe you can explain how it is that someone who is scared for their life, had taken off running w/a full head start, and lost the person, then decides to confront the person to ask why they are following them.
1-Because Tray was not scared for his life, he just wanted to avoid a man who was following him
2-Because Tray stopped running once he turned in the alleyway. He did not confront Zimmerman until the latter reached him.
aisling- wrote:
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And note that Trayvon, per the gf who has already lied under oath about her whereabouts on the day of his funeral, said, following not chasing or stalking him.
Zimmerman already lied about his own beliefs about Tray's age.
aisling-

Marion, OH

#1641 Jun 19, 2013
Myth Busters: Did Zimmerman “Chase Down” a Fleeing Martin?

"One of the enduring myths of the falsified public narrative promulgated by the State prosecutors and other anti-Zimmerman zealots has been that George Zimmerman “chased down” a frightened Trayvon Martin who was simply attempting to secure the safety of his destination (his father’s girlfriend’s home in at the Retreat at Twin Lakes neighborhood.

Is that what really happened? Or is George Zimmerman’s recounting more credible and consistent with the facts in evidence?

Let’s take a look at what the facts in evidence, the timeline, and the terrain tell us."

In full:
http://lawofselfdefense.com/zimmerman-trial-m...
bumble bee

Beeville, TX

#1642 Jun 19, 2013
Who would be yelling for help ?. The one beating a person or the one getting beat up???. Trayvon , didn't have any injuries on him. Why would they say that it was Trayvon doing the yelling..I rest my case but don't worry Zimmerman will be found guilty to the Black mans attitude happy. I just wonder why Black mans attitude don't bitch when a black man kills a white man????????
aisling-

Marion, OH

#1643 Jun 19, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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I don't really consider that misstatement a relevant one. I cannot see what difference does it make it Tray questioned Zim or Zim questioned him first. it is possible for someone to make a mistake as to which statement came first. But Zimmerman lied many times, including testifying in court that he did not think that Tray was a teenage when on the phone he said that he believed that Tray was.
It's my understanding that Crump very well have to answer for that. As well an Appeals court overruled the Judge's ruling and that Crump must be deposed.

As far as Trayvon being the person who spoke first, it could support that Zimmerman was retreating to his truck, he stated that he lost sight of Trayvon to dispatch, when Trayvon approached him from out of nowhere. It could very well support that Zimmerman didn't initiate the altercation that ensued/resulted in the shooting.
aisling-

Marion, OH

#1644 Jun 19, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text> I did not call you a liar nor did I say that you in particular were making up facts. When I was writing that post, I was thinking about the numerous people who posted the pic of another black boy as Tray and the poster who claimed that Tray was lost.
<quoted text>
1-Because Tray was not scared for his life, he just wanted to avoid a man who was following him
2-Because Tray stopped running once he turned in the alleyway. He did not confront Zimmerman until the latter reached him.
<quoted text> Zimmerman already lied about his own beliefs about Tray's age.
Then I apologize in that I thought that you were referring to me.

If he was trying to avoid Zimmerman, he had lost him when he took off running. Per the dispatch transcript, he said okay when the operator stated that he did not need to continue following him, and it's to my understanding that he was retreating to his truck when Trayvon confronted him/and which is supported by Trayvon, imo, asking him why was he following him. The dispatch operator confirmed that he would not continue following Trayvon by saying, "All right" and proceeding to ask George for his name at that point.

As I've said before, simply following Trayvon is not illegal. George could have followed him all the way to where Trayvon was staying and he wouldn't have broken any laws.
aisling-

Marion, OH

#1645 Jun 19, 2013
*not confirmed but acknowledged, rather.
aisling-

Marion, OH

#1646 Jun 19, 2013
"One of the abiding myths of the Zimmerman prosecution has been the claim that Zimmerman “racially profiled” Martin. Although racial profiling is not a crime of any sort in Florida, the prosecution was desperate for any misconduct they could use as a foundation to claim that Zimmerman had possessed a “depraved mind” when he killed Martin.

Indeed, the claim that Zimmerman “profiled” Martin is at the core of the State’s laughably deficient affidavit of probable cause, the basis on which Zimmerman was arrested and now awaits trail on charges of having committed murder in the second degree. That affidavit, presented to the court under the pains and penalties of perjury, attests that:

Martin then walked back to and entered the gated community and was on his way back to the townhouse where he was living when he was profiled by George Zimmerman.

(For our expose of the travesty of justice that is the affidavit of probable cause, look here:“Zimmerman Trial: Evidentiary Flashback: Affidavit for Probable Cause–Count the untruths”)

Possessing a depraved mind during a killing is an essential element of murder in the second degree, the crime with which the State wanted to charge Zimmerman (click here for an in-depth explanation of Florida’s “depraved mind” requirement for murder 2.). Perhaps if they could prove that Zimmerman had killed Martin, even if only in part, for racial reasons it would be enough.

But where was the evidence? The State was desperate to bring a murder charge against Zimmerman, but how were they going to “sell” it without evidence?

Right then NBC News seemed to decide that they could throw the State prosecutors a helping hand. The network produced a version of the recording of Zimmerman’s non-emergency call to the police in which he appeared to volunteer, unsolicited, the fact that Martin was black.

The obvious implication: Zimmerman must be racist."

In full:
http://lawofselfdefense.com/zimmerman-trial-m...

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Paris France

#1647 Jun 19, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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I don't really consider that misstatement a relevant one. I cannot see what difference does it make it Tray questioned Zim or Zim questioned him first. it is possible for someone to make a mistake as to which statement came first. But Zimmerman lied many times, including testifying in court that he did not think that Tray was a teenage when on the phone he said that he believed that Tray was.
Yes sir and we only have the murderer's tale for the encounter.
So far no other person was there as a witness.

Any jury can be suspicious on the George's version especially when his intent to get some young Black man was recorded in the tapes with the dispatcher.
These tapes are objective. Not post murder reconstruction from GZ.

a whiteboi

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Paris France

#1648 Jun 19, 2013
aisling- wrote:
"One of the abiding myths of the Zimmerman prosecution has been the claim that Zimmerman “racially profiled” Martin. Although racial profiling is not a crime of any sort in Florida, the prosecution was desperate for any misconduct they could use as a foundation to claim that Zimmerman had possessed a “depraved mind” when he killed Martin.
Indeed, the claim that Zimmerman “profiled” Martin is at the core of the State’s laughably deficient affidavit of probable cause, the basis on which Zimmerman was arrested and now awaits trail on charges of having committed murder in the second degree. That affidavit, presented to the court under the pains and penalties of perjury, attests that:
Martin then walked back to and entered the gated community and was on his way back to the townhouse where he was living when he was profiled by George Zimmerman.

Possessing a depraved mind during a killing is an essential element of murder in the second degree, the crime with which the State wanted to charge Zimmerman (click here for an in-depth explanation of Florida’s “depraved mind” requirement for murder 2.). Perhaps if they could prove that Zimmerman had killed Martin, even if only in part, for racial reasons it would be enough.
But where was the evidence?
The evidence is heard in the tapes, from GZ's own voice and a statement that nobody is contesting.

A depraved mind is precisely what the killer is exhibiting in these tapes and that's why Sanford PD was so reluctant initially to give a copy to the Martin family's attorney. Remember ...

a whiteboi

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#1649 Jun 19, 2013
I wish that both of them would of handled it better.
Zimmerman should of been wearing a colored vest like I've seen other neighborhood watch groups wear. He should of identified himself as that and asked who Martin was and/or what he was doing. Martin should of responded that he was staying with his father and going there.

Maybe things would of played out differently. Who knows. You got a man with a gun that should not of been carrying it if he didn't want to shoot anyone and you got a young man with an attitude that felt he didn't have to justify to anyone.

Now days, if you are a stranger and your in my neighborhood, you better damn well justify your reason for being there. And get the chip of your shoulder, it's not because of your color you are being asked. It's because of you, a person, being there.

I gave Martin's parents a pass for bringing race into this because I can't imagine how hard it is to lose a child. But shame on them for doing that. Shame on the protestors for creating rumors. Shame on Spike Lee and others for repeating an address that was incorrect and the result is two senior citizens being harassed by Martin supporters. Even if that address was Zimmerman's parents house, why on earth would supporters go to harass and stalk his parents?????

Martin's parents need to apologize for all that mess and they should of reprimanded all the people that caused problems.

I don't care how it turns out, just make sure it's fair trial and a fair jury bases their decision on the law and the facts presented.
aisling-

Marion, OH

#1650 Jun 19, 2013
"June 3, 2013. The Court of Appeals has reversed Judge Debra Nelson and "ordered" attorney Benjamin Crump to appear for deposition, in other words, to keep a promise Crump made on almost 8 months ago.(The depo is regarding Crump and Witness # 8, one whom we have all come to know as "DeeDee" or "Dee Dee." This is the "DeeDee" the "minor child," girl of Crump Presser fame, the girl who Crump in his March 20, 2012, presser -- see my YouTube video of it -- said Trayvon and she were boyfriend/girlfriend and experiencing "puppy love" (Crump's words).

Instead of keeping his promise, on the day of his deposition CRUMP FAILED TO APPEAR FOR IT, lawyered-up, and has been trying to avoid his having to keep his October 19 promise."
http://youtu.be/6iaglKokMVM

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