Why do black women love degrading rap?

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“I believe”

Since: Aug 07

Long Beach, CA

#1 Aug 12, 2007
I'm curious, How can a blakc women or any women like and listen to rap music without wanitng to cry?

The vulgerness, hatred, sex-obsession, praise of money, profanity.

I can see why men like it, but I don't understand how women can sing along with songs like "Ain't no fun if the homies can't have none" Really? Shamefull indeed.
Mrs Truth

United States

#3 Aug 12, 2007
It degrades us. Black men are so smart, talking trash about their own kind. I guess all the other races/ethicities love them more than black people. Like the Hispanic gangs in Cali.

“Engaged :)”

Since: Aug 07

UK

#4 Aug 12, 2007
I listen to hip hop but i don't watch the videos cos i know its gonna be the same booty shakin girls on the tv screen

“Engaged :)”

Since: Aug 07

UK

#5 Aug 12, 2007
i normally listen to it because it has a good beat i don't listen to it because of the words

Kip

“Brian's alter ego”

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Since: Feb 07

San Francisco, CA

#6 Aug 12, 2007
LadyNemesis2007 wrote:
I'm curious, How can a blakc women or any women like and listen to rap music without wanitng to cry?
The vulgerness, hatred, sex-obsession, praise of money, profanity.
I can see why men like it, but I don't understand how women can sing along with songs like "Ain't no fun if the homies can't have none" Really? Shamefull indeed.
Why is rap so exceptional?

White women are degraded in pornography having sex with everyone from family members to family pets to family heirlooms, yet all I keep hearing about is how degrading rap music is supposed to be. Let's get real for a moment: porn doesn't seem to demonize white women as a whole. Why do you think rap music should demonize black women as a whole?
Ashley

Denver, CO

#7 Aug 12, 2007
I don't support rap music. I used to listen to some of it, but now I'm going to stop supporting all of it. Now I don't cry if I hear something foul, but my facial expression is in confusion. I've decided to stick to my alternative music, pop, and reggae...music of enlightment. I even listen to a bit of country music. When these women in the rap videos stop ALLOWING themselves to be degraded, then there can be change. I do see many women actually supporting the fact that they are bit_hes and "nappy headed hoes" so let them be it. If you don't respect yourself, then no one else will feel that they have to respect you and rightfully they shouldn't.

Level 1

Since: Apr 07

Broomfield, CO

#8 Aug 12, 2007
Ashley wrote:
I don't support rap music. I used to listen to some of it, but now I'm going to stop supporting all of it. Now I don't cry if I hear something foul, but my facial expression is in confusion. I've decided to stick to my alternative music, pop, and reggae...music of enlightment. I even listen to a bit of country music. When these women in the rap videos stop ALLOWING themselves to be degraded, then there can be change. I do see many women actually supporting the fact that they are bit_hes and "nappy headed hoes" so let them be it. If you don't respect yourself, then no one else will feel that they have to respect you and rightfully they shouldn't.
:)

Level 1

Since: Apr 07

Broomfield, CO

#9 Aug 12, 2007
LadyNemesis2007 wrote:
I'm curious, How can a blakc women or any women like and listen to rap music without wanitng to cry?
The vulgerness, hatred, sex-obsession, praise of money, profanity.
I can see why men like it, but I don't understand how women can sing along with songs like "Ain't no fun if the homies can't have none" Really? Shamefull indeed.
They sing along with it because they can relate to what the rappers say about them! these women are "dumb a55 hoes" otherwise they would'nt buy the music, or run to the video shoots to "dance" in these videos! Grown women make the choices to buy, and engage in their whorrish behavior! Hoes have a problem with being exposed even though they're in videos taking off all of their clothes!

Since: Jul 07

Tallahassee, FL

#10 Aug 12, 2007
I like people like Kanye West and Common. But to buy a Cd by someone constantly talking trash, nope!
BlackAmericanPri ncess

Sidney, OH

#11 Aug 12, 2007
WEll I can admit that I love rap. I love Lil wayne, three six mafia, Ludacris, tupac, Bone thugs, Eminem and I could go and on. Most of the time I don't take the music that seriously unless it's tupac or eminem because they rap about real things and they're good lyricist. But as for other rap well--the words don't affect me. The rap that calls women bitches and hoes--well I admit I sing right along lol. Rap has not influenced me in the least bit, I have common sense and I don't let what these rappers say influence my perception of women as a whole.
For example there is a song by D4L called bobblehead--(about a women who gives head) it's very degrading but the words are so funny that I just laugh and sing right along.
Call me crazy but I think rap can be funny sometimes.
And on top of being funny, it can also be stimulating. For example when I work out, alternative, pop, and R&B are very boring. I don't like heavy metal, so I listen to rap. It gives me energy and I get really into my workout.
My parents listen to rap too. And my dad works for a six figure company, and my mom has her own personal training business. My mom watches music videos lol. And my dad always buys rap CD's... It really doesn't affect us.
To be honest I don't known why people make such a big deal out of it... what about that crazy goth music that causes some people to be sucidal? I mean I think that music can only truly effect you if you let it... And a lot of the time the people being influenced by rap and other music are people without guidance, common sense, and a sense of a reality...
BlackAmericanPri ncess

Sidney, OH

#12 Aug 12, 2007
Edit: To be honest I don't know why people make such a big deal out of rap. What about that crazy goth/emo music that causes some teenagers to be sucidal?
ValerieNM

Austin, TX

#13 Aug 12, 2007
LadyNemesis2007 wrote:
I'm curious, How can a blakc women or any women like and listen to rap music without wanitng to cry?
The vulgerness, hatred, sex-obsession, praise of money, profanity.
I can see why men like it, but I don't understand how women can sing along with songs like "Ain't no fun if the homies can't have none" Really? Shamefull indeed.
I like the rap music that talks about taking no shit, how we won't bow down for pigs or the white man an kicking whities ass.....Yeah thats the rap music I like ...for real OLD GANGSTAs like myself ...different strokes for different folks...No Kellis (my milkshake BS) or white cunt bitch Fergie for me...No Eminem. I..To me they are offensive ..I like the music that tells whitey not to step through the door..Fortunately there are loads of different artist out there an different types of music for whatever FLOATS YOUR BOAT..

Level 2

Since: Apr 07

Phillyburbs

#14 Aug 12, 2007
Kip wrote:
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Why is rap so exceptional?
White women are degraded in pornography having sex with everyone from family members to family pets to family heirlooms, yet all I keep hearing about is how degrading rap music is supposed to be. Let's get real for a moment: porn doesn't seem to demonize white women as a whole. Why do you think rap music should demonize black women as a whole?
Good point...

“I believe”

Since: Aug 07

Long Beach, CA

#15 Aug 12, 2007
BlackAmericanPrincess wrote:
mean I think that music can only truly effect you if you let it... And a lot of the time the people being influenced by rap and other music are people without guidance, common sense, and a sense of a reality...
I think we should be careful with this generalization. I am affected by rap music so intensly because it is so terribly powerful and the message is very violent. As my heart changes, I can't even stand to hear the words Bitch and Hoe, come out of a mans mouth, at all. But this is not an ATTACK ON RAP.

I WANT TOP HEAR FROM WOMEN WHO LIKE VERY DEGRADING, SEXUALIZED, VIOLENT RAP MUSIC!!! BLACK WOMEN WHO LIKE IT! WHO DANCE TO IT, SING IT, BUY IT SUPPORT IT?

I am curious to see what your rationale is. HOW can a woman can cheerfully sing some of the hurtful things I hear, about p-ssy, rough sex (usually not in the context a loving relationship),drugs, whores, ugly bi-ches, fat hoes etc.. I am curious about what separates me from other black women. Help me understand without judgement.

I think rap can go on forever, I am not talking about any other kind of music or race, I have singled out a specific target population for this question.

ALSO, TO ADD TO THIS ARGUMENT THERE IS ALSO A LACK OF LOVING, CARING MUSIC TO BALANCE THE VIOLANCE ALSO.

WHERE ARE SONGS LIKE "MY GIRL"???? Where are the Odes to the grace, femininity, beauty of a woman that is not strictly sex, booty, you look good oriented?(That is mainstream)
BlackAmericanPri ncess

Sidney, OH

#18 Aug 12, 2007
As I stated in my comment, I don't let rap affect me. Nor does rap change my perception of women as a whole. I listen to rap, because I like it. But let me make it clear--rap is NOT the only style of music I listen to. Every genre has it's own meaning to me. For example when I'm in a mellow mood and I really want to think about deep things I'll most likely listen to some deep soulful music: Sonya Kitchell, KT Tunstall, Corrine Baily Rae, Vanessa Carlton Lauryn Hill... When I'm in a mood where I just feel so in love with my boyfriend I'll listen to R&B/Soul: Chrisette Michelle, John Legend, Musiq, and so on. And when I'm in a fun girly mood-- I listen to Avril,Jag Star, Hillary Duf and other pop artists..
And when I'm having fun I listen to SOME rap such as three six mafia and other "degrading" rap because it's fun to laugh at the lyrics and sing along with it. When I'm working out I like listenting to rap because it gives me a boost and intensififes my work out. When I'm just in F-k it mood rap is also the music I listen to. When I'm having power hour with my girls this is what we listen to.
So I listen to rap, because of my mood, and because I like the beats and SOMETIMES even the words--that is if the words are thought provoking. One of my favorite rap artists have been 2-pac. Some of his music is angry--and I can understand why. I have his poetry book and he writes about feelings I've had. I listen to SOME of his music and I can relate. I listen to other rap artists and SOME of their music I can relate to as well.
Yes SOME rap can be very degrading but surely not all. And yes even when I listen to degrading rap I do sing along. Not because I'm making a mockery of women but because I'm either making fun of how stupid the song is or I'm just being goofy...
I hate to say this but please listen to these degrading songs more closely and realize the TYPES of women they sing about. A lot of the time when they're calling women bitches and hoes, it's because the women they talk about are very sexual, and don't respect themselves. For example as I stated their is a song by D4L called bobblehead and the reason the girl gets called so many names is because she gives head to any guy who wants it. They call SOME women these names because of the activites they do. Since I'm not going around having sex with different men, since I am respectful--a lady and in a faithful four year relationship I know that the songs do not apply to me. I know that I'm not a bitch or ho. But if you listen to the lyrics surrounding the words they use, you'll SEE that the women they talk about are women with no respect for their temples or themselves--why would men respect these women enough to call them ladies? A lady surely doesn't parade her body around for every man to see, nor does she have sex with every man she meets, nor does she chase after men who CLEARLY aren't nice men.
Just look at the videos and look at the TYPE of women in these videos and ask yourself if they are being respectful? If you don't have respect for yourself why in the world would a man or a woman respect you? Why would these men call these women doing the things they do--ladies?
With that being said--yes I hate having to go there. Because I know that a lot of girls suffer from low self esteem and that could be a potential cause of their behavior--but the fact remains a man will NEVER respect a woman who does not respect herself. And unforunately a lot of women these days don't respect themselves and yet they expect others to respect them?

Since: Jul 07

Tallahassee, FL

#19 Aug 12, 2007
What's up with the title of this thread though. Should anybody like it?

“I believe”

Since: Aug 07

Long Beach, CA

#20 Aug 12, 2007
BlackAmericanPrincess wrote:
Yes SOME rap can be very degrading but surely not all. And yes even when I listen to degrading rap I do sing along. Not because I'm making a mockery of women but because I'm either making fun of how stupid the song is or I'm just being goofy...
Okay, I have heard form you , I want to know what other women think...I am hoping for some sort of consensus on it.
AquaCityBoy

Henderson, NV

#21 Aug 12, 2007
A very small amount of rap is the "degrading" stuff you hear on the radio and see on BET. Plenty of rappers do no such thing, like Common, K-OS, The Roots, De La Soul, etc. But they won't play that because it doesn't "sell," though I would argue that the reason it doesn't sell is because THEY WON'T PLAY IT.

Also, I'd like to respond to some of the posts about rap videos. They do NOT degrade women, women degrade themselves by doing those videos. They know full well they're going to be seen as little more than sex objects, but they do it anyway. Nobody put guns to their heads and made them shake their asses on camera.

“I believe”

Since: Aug 07

Long Beach, CA

#22 Aug 12, 2007
i think this all just be an issue of simple prefernce and that is all. i'm just curious because people assume that because i'm blck that i might enjoy that kind of music and i have to set them straight. i don't.

i wonder what kind of men would find a woman singing along with foul stuff like that coming out of thier mouths? YEs, it is the ultimate feminine lady. "We'll he's not talking about me!" So what, whomever he is talking about is a daughter of God! If women spent more time mentoring these young sistahs instead of juding them from afar, many of the problems we see in the black community would get solved. There is nothing worse than an unwelsome race who has a "me" complex. It's the Wille Lynch Syndrome BIG SCALE!
BlackAmericanPri ncess

Sidney, OH

#23 Aug 12, 2007
AquaCityBoy wrote:
A very small amount of rap is the "degrading" stuff you hear on the radio and see on BET. Plenty of rappers do no such thing, like Common, K-OS, The Roots, De La Soul, etc. But they won't play that because it doesn't "sell," though I would argue that the reason it doesn't sell is because THEY WON'T PLAY IT.
Also, I'd like to respond to some of the posts about rap videos. They do NOT degrade women, women degrade themselves by doing those videos. They know full well they're going to be seen as little more than sex objects, but they do it anyway. Nobody put guns to their heads and made them shake their asses on camera.
Exactly. People wonder why so many rappers are calling women bitches and hoes--well look at the way SOME women behave? If your going to walk around half naked and shake your ass what do you expect men to say? I don't have sympathy for the video vixens, nor do I feel offended by the degrading rap because as I said the rap is mainly targeting a certain TYPE of women which in many cases is sexually loose, doesn't respect her temple, and lets men treat her any sort of way--a bitch, a ho.
I think people who truly are getting offended by rap, should really listen to the words and why they are calling certain types of women ho's and bitches. Also watch BET for a day and look at the women in the videos--they certainly aren't respectable ladies so why should we call them such?

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