African People In Greek Mythology

African People In Greek Mythology

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Decipherx1

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#1 Jan 22, 2010
Before we get the usual White trolls in here WHINING about AFROCENTRICISM, which this has nothing to do w/ that.
Everyone must ask themselves: Is it not strange that in early African Mythology, you will never find ONE mention of Greek people, but African people are ALL throughout Greek mythology???
So WHO really learned from who?
Mythology is the oldest form of remembering ones history, so IF Europeans were ALL up in the creation of Egypt, you will never find it in their mythology as compared to the many references in Greek Mythology referring to Africans. It seems to be true that GREEKS did copy many of their ideas from Africa, it's in the history of Mythology.

http://www.theoi.com/Phylos/Pygmaioi.html
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#2 Jan 22, 2010
BENTHESIKYME (or Benthesicyme) was a Haliad nymph of Aithiopia in North Africa. She was a daughter of Poseidon and the wife of the first Ethiopian king Enalos (of the Sea). Benthesikyme was a goddess of the waves, as is revealed by her name which means "lady of the deep-swells," from benthos, "the depths," and kyma, "waves."

She was perhaps related to Tritonis, goddess of the Libyan Lake of the same name. Indeed Benthesikyme's "Aithiopia" could encompass this area, the term often being used to describe Africa in a general sense. If this is the case, then her husband Enalos (of the Sea) would be the Libyan Sea-God Triton. Apollodorus also mentions that she had two daughters which was true of Tritonis, whose daughters were Pallas and the Libyan Athena.

This shoots the Berber White N. African Theory to threads, because why would they call North African White Beber People, Ethiopian Burnt Faces , if they were not Black, stop lyng you WHITE TROLLS LOL!
http://www.theoi.com/Nymphe/NympheBenthesikym...
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#3 Jan 22, 2010
MIGHTY MEMNON
THE AFRICAN PRESENCE IN GREEK & ROMAN MYTHOLOGY

By RUNOKO RASHIDI

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The fabled story of the ancient and stupendous African general and warrior-king Memnon and his display of courage and prowess at the Greek siege of Troy was one of the most widely circulated and celebrated epics in the annals of Greek and Roman mythology. Memnon, described as "black as ebony, and the handsomest man alive," is mentioned repeatedly in the works of such early writers as Hesiod, Ovid, Pindar, Diodorus Siculus, Strabo and Virgil. Arctinus of Miletus composed an epic poem entitled Ethiopia in which Memnon was the leading figure. Quintus of Smyrna credits Memnon with "bringing the countless tribes of his people who live in Ethiopia, land of the black man," to Troy in support of its war against the hostile coalition of Greek city-states. It was written that: "Memnon came to help them. Memnon was lord over the dark Ethiopians, and the host he brought seemed infinite. The Trojans were delighted to see him in their city."

According to Homer, "To Troy no hero came of nobler line, Or if nobler, Memnon, it was thine." In more recent times (late in the nineteenth century), Dr. Rufus Lewis Perry pronounced that:

"The distinguished Cushite whom Homer calls Memnon came and went like a meteor in the galaxy of illustrious Ethiopian monarchs. But the poet in classic song and the historian in legendary tradition, have preserved enough of his brightness to indicate his rank and power among the contemporary potentates of the earth. He was king of the Ethiopians. He fought against the Greeks in the Trojan war; and after he had slain Antilochus, son of Nestor, was killed by Achilles."

Dr. Perry concluded that, "Through slain by Achilles, Memnon is so embalmed in verse and prose by Homer, Hesiod, Virgil and others, that his name will last as long as the writings of these imperishable authors."

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/myth.html
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#4 Jan 22, 2010
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#6 Jan 22, 2010
Ethiopia
Aithiopas
Ethiopia is mentioned several times in The Iliad, The Odyssey and the Histories; The primary city of Ethiopia was Meroe which was, according to the historian, Herodotus, forty days on foot and twelve days by boat south of the city of Elephantine on the Nile River; in another part of his narrative, Herodotus says that the Ethiopians lived in Libya towards the southern sea.

The exact location of Ethiopia was, at best, nebulous to the Greeks of Herodotus’ time; there seems to have been two conceptions of Ethiopia: one was the historical land coveted by the Persian Empire and the other was a mythical Ethiopia that Poseidon (lord of the Sea) favored with personal visits.

Homer says that the Ethiopians were the most distant of men and lived in two separate lands that were identified as where the Titan, Hyperion, rose and sat; when the Greek hero, Menelaos (Menelaus), was making his meandering way back to Sparta after the sack of the city of Troy, he said that he traveled to Egypt, Ethiopia and Libya which only implies that Ethiopia was somewhere in Africa.

Dionysus, the god of wine, was born on Mount Nysa which, according to Herodotus, was in Ethiopia.
http://messagenetcommresearch.com/myths/ppt/E...
Decipherx1

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#7 Jan 22, 2010
Boogulator wrote:
There aren't any Negroes in the Greek classics.
Just like the Bible...
The bible was writing in Africa/ and Asia,
And translated and tampered w/ by Europeans.
White people did'nt appear in it until circa 30 yrs A.D.
yrs afrter Jesus death between 56 to 60 A.D. Thats foe another threda though.
Your Right there aren't any NEGROES
in Greek Classics, just Africans lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_ (mythology)
Barros Serrano

United States

#8 Jan 22, 2010
Decipherx1 wrote:
BENTHESIKYME (or Benthesicyme) was a Haliad nymph of Aithiopia in North Africa. She was a daughter of Poseidon and the wife of the first Ethiopian king Enalos (of the Sea). Benthesikyme was a goddess of the waves, as is revealed by her name which means "lady of the deep-swells," from benthos, "the depths," and kyma, "waves."
She was perhaps related to Tritonis, goddess of the Libyan Lake of the same name. Indeed Benthesikyme's "Aithiopia" could encompass this area, the term often being used to describe Africa in a general sense. If this is the case, then her husband Enalos (of the Sea) would be the Libyan Sea-God Triton. Apollodorus also mentions that she had two daughters which was true of Tritonis, whose daughters were Pallas and the Libyan Athena.
This shoots the Berber White N. African Theory to threads, because why would they call North African White Beber People, Ethiopian Burnt Faces , if they were not Black, stop lyng you WHITE TROLLS LOL!
http://www.theoi.com/Nymphe/NympheBenthesikym...
Means no such thing. Southern Libya was black, for one thing. In fact the "black mummy" found by Italian archaeologists was in Libya. The Berbers were Eurasian peoples, from the beginning. As were the Tuareg. DNA proves this.

As for Greek mythology and stories. Yep, they had contact with Egyptians and Ethiopians and so would speak of them. But look for the origin of Greek mythology in that of the proto-Aryans, meaning it is from the same root as the mythology of the Celts or Hindus.
Arukun

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#9 Jan 22, 2010
Hey there, my brother
fascinating stuff more so as you are answering questions my mob and I have been discussing recently, great minds think alike despite thousands of miles in between.
Keep at it.
peace to you
Decipherx1

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#10 Jan 22, 2010
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Means no such thing. Southern Libya was black, for one thing. In fact the "black mummy" found by Italian archaeologists was in Libya. The Berbers were Eurasian peoples, from the beginning. As were the Tuareg. DNA proves this.
As for Greek mythology and stories. Yep, they had contact with Egyptians and Ethiopians and so would speak of them. But look for the origin of Greek mythology in that of the proto-Aryans, meaning it is from the same root as the mythology of the Celts or Hindus.
SMH... Why would they call them Ethiopians (N.Africans) if they were not Black, mainly when people-(Even in Myth) refer to an Area by a certian name by what they looked like in skin tone, and BEING that they called Ethiopians -Burnt Faces-
they did not distiguish between North or Southern Liybians,
they mainly called North Africa Libyaians and the people from the Ethiopians race, they mentioned NOTHING at all about WHITE berbers in Libya because the Myth is the earliest recordings of who the Greeks were as a people long before Greeks first writings.
Decipherx1

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#11 Jan 22, 2010
Arukun wrote:
Hey there, my brother
fascinating stuff more so as you are answering questions my mob and I have been discussing recently, great minds think alike despite thousands of miles in between.
Keep at it.
peace to you
HEY brother what's been up? I am glad to hear from you hows it been.
I missed your post, I wish there was a way to talk off the board w/o us having to put our addy up here try to keep in touch ok bro,
and yes great minds do think alike:)
Arakun

Hobart, Australia

#12 Jan 22, 2010
Decipherx1 wrote:
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HEY brother what's been up? I am glad to hear from you hows it been.
I missed your post, I wish there was a way to talk off the board w/o us having to put our addy up here try to keep in touch ok bro,
and yes great minds do think alike:)
All is good down under. Just bought a calender with pics from Ethiopia...tribal dress and body painting..looking at the similarities in body decorartion etc...interesting to see the varying facial features. Hamo-Nilotic, Omo Valley, showing both signs of Bantu facial features, and what might describe as "european" e.g. long pointy noses and thin lips. My first thought - evidence of the antiquity of the Ethiopians as the first humans carrying all original genetic material subsequently passed on. Will try to find a Link.
peace
Arakun

Hobart, Australia

#13 Jan 22, 2010
Try this

Karo tribe Omo Valley on Flickr

www.flickr.com/photos/marcveraart/3202800351/

enjoy the absolute georgeousness and beauty class intelligence of these original peoples
Barros Serrano

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#14 Jan 22, 2010
Decipherx1 wrote:
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SMH... Why would they call them Ethiopians (N.Africans) if they were not Black, mainly when people-(Even in Myth) refer to an Area by a certian name by what they looked like in skin tone, and BEING that they called Ethiopians -Burnt Faces-
they did not distiguish between North or Southern Liybians,
they mainly called North Africa Libyaians and the people from the Ethiopians race, they mentioned NOTHING at all about WHITE berbers in Libya because the Myth is the earliest recordings of who the Greeks were as a people long before Greeks first writings.
You referred to myths with vague connections which "may" be from Libya... those deities "may" correspond... where was the proof anyone said that the Berbers in Libya were black? The Greeks were wildly calling nearly everyone "Ethiopians" who was darker than them.

And of course, all Greeks aside, the DNA and archaeology establishes that the Berbers were of Eurasian origin, have been in North Africa for about 30,000 years, originated in the Mideast, and were originally related to the Cro-Magnon who populated Europe slightly earlier.

Depictions of Berbers in classical times show peoples of Eurasian appearance.

And then there are the Guanches... how do you explain people on the Canaries for 6000 years, showing by their DNA they clearly were Berbers, and who were very lightskinned and in other words EURASIANS!

The Berbers were Eurasians, and so were the inhabitants of the northern Egyptian coastal region right through dynastic times.
XI Ancient Egyptian lX

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#15 Jan 22, 2010
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
You referred to myths with vague connections which "may" be from Libya... those deities "may" correspond... where was the proof anyone said that the Berbers in Libya were black? The Greeks were wildly calling nearly everyone "Ethiopians" who was darker than them.
And of course, all Greeks aside, the DNA and archaeology establishes that the Berbers were of Eurasian origin, have been in North Africa for about 30,000 years, originated in the Mideast, and were originally related to the Cro-Magnon who populated Europe slightly earlier.
Depictions of Berbers in classical times show peoples of Eurasian appearance.
And then there are the Guanches... how do you explain people on the Canaries for 6000 years, showing by their DNA they clearly were Berbers, and who were very lightskinned and in other words EURASIANS!
The Berbers were Eurasians, and so were the inhabitants of the northern Egyptian coastal region right through dynastic times.
Beautiful post!!

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Jeff

Framingham, MA

#16 Jan 22, 2010
Decipherx1 wrote:
Before we get the usual White trolls in here WHINING about AFROCENTRICISM, which this has nothing to do w/ that.
Everyone must ask themselves: Is it not strange that in early African Mythology, you will never find ONE mention of Greek people, but African people are ALL throughout Greek mythology???
So WHO really learned from who?
Mythology is the oldest form of remembering ones history, so IF Europeans were ALL up in the creation of Egypt, you will never find it in their mythology as compared to the many references in Greek Mythology referring to Africans. It seems to be true that GREEKS did copy many of their ideas from Africa, it's in the history of Mythology.
http://www.theoi.com/Phylos/Pygmaioi.html
You don't know what's your talking about. Greek Mythology isn't referring to black Africans, stop miscontruing the truth. Greeks made all their Greek mythical characters, including those "Aithiopians", as light skinned Caucasians, in other words in their own likeness given they were theirs(Greeks) Gods, not 'black Africans' like Afrocentrics like to falsely claim. To the Greeks the mythical Ethiopia and Ethiopians were two different entities from the real Ethiopians. In fact, and this is actually true, they believed that the "Ethiopians" living in Africa and South Asia were originally white people but one day the sun God Helios drove his chariot too close to the earth and he burned them. The mythical kingdom Ethiopia they didn't even place in sub-saharan Africa, one story has it in the Near East, the other in the Caucasus mountains, the 'Ethiopians' of myth were 'Eurasians' to the Greeks. Hence the Ethiopians of myth were made to look more like light skin caucasians by Greeks & Romans alike for the most part as these ancient depictions clearly show.

Andromeda&Perseus
http://www.picfury.com/2l/img/H15Perseus-1.jp...
http://www2.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/andromeda.j...
http://www.uvm.edu/~classics/slides/b090.jpeg
https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/prec/www/course/m...

Andromeda led by her two WHITE Ethiopians lol!
http://www.picfury.com/2l/img/AndromedaBME169...

Blond Andromeda and Pegasus from a Greco-Roman fresco
http://www.picfury.com/2l/img/AndromedaPegasu...

Poseidon and Amphitrite parents to Triton, Rhode and --> Benthesicyme <--, NOT black Africans but light skinned Caucasians.
http://www.toxolyros.gr/photos/albums/deutere...
http://www.toxolyros.gr/photos/albums/deutere...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
http://www.toxolyros.gr/photos/albums/deutere...
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Mythology/Image...
http://www.toxolyros.gr/photos/albums/deutere...
http://www.toxolyros.gr/photos/albums/deutere...

Achilles killing Memnon 330 B.C; again even Memnon depicted as a light skinned Caucasian
http://z.about.com/d/ancienthistory/1/0/h/v/2...
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Mythology/Image...
http://www.duke.edu/~jds15/clst-153/images/eo...
http://rubens.anu.edu.au/raid1cdroms/france/p...
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#18 Jan 22, 2010
Decipherx1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The bible was writing in Africa/ and Asia,
And translated and tampered w/ by Europeans.
White people did'nt appear in it until circa 30 yrs A.D.
yrs afrter Jesus death between 56 to 60 A.D. Thats foe another threda though.
Your Right there aren't any NEGROES
in Greek Classics, just Africans lol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_ (mythology)
What 'Africans'? The term didn't exist to the ancient Greeks and in antiquity it only meant the very Northern tip of N. Africa. Don't confuse the 'Aithiopas' of myth with the Ethiopian people, to the ancient Greeks they were not the same, they were two different entities. Hence the Ethiopians of myth were made to look more like light skin caucasians by Greeks & Romans alike for the most part as these ancient depictions clearly show, not 'black Africans'.

Andromeda&Perseus
http://www.picfury.com/2l/img/H15Perseus-1.jp...
http://www2.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/andromeda.j...
http://www.uvm.edu/~classics/slides/b090.jpeg
https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/prec/www/course/m...

Andromeda led by her two WHITE Ethiopians lol!
http://www.picfury.com/2l/img/AndromedaBME169...

Blond Andromeda and Pegasus from a Greco-Roman fresco
http://www.picfury.com/2l/img/AndromedaPegasu...
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#19 Jan 22, 2010
Decipherx1 wrote:
Ethiopia
Aithiopas
Ethiopia is mentioned several times in The Iliad, The Odyssey and the Histories; The primary city of Ethiopia was Meroe which was, according to the historian, Herodotus, forty days on foot and twelve days by boat south of the city of Elephantine on the Nile River; in another part of his narrative, Herodotus says that the Ethiopians lived in Libya towards the southern sea.
The exact location of Ethiopia was, at best, nebulous to the Greeks of Herodotus’ time; there seems to have been two conceptions of Ethiopia: one was the historical land coveted by the Persian Empire and the other was a mythical Ethiopia that Poseidon (lord of the Sea) favored with personal visits.
Homer says that the Ethiopians were the most distant of men and lived in two separate lands that were identified as where the Titan, Hyperion, rose and sat; when the Greek hero, Menelaos (Menelaus), was making his meandering way back to Sparta after the sack of the city of Troy, he said that he traveled to Egypt, Ethiopia and Libya which only implies that Ethiopia was somewhere in Africa.
Dionysus, the god of wine, was born on Mount Nysa which, according to Herodotus, was in Ethiopia.
http://messagenetcommresearch.com/myths/ppt/E...
Dionysus wasn't born in Ethiopia, delusional one, he was born in the Balkan region and he was carried away to mythical Mt. Nysa that ancient sources place either in Arabia, Ethiopia, Egypt, Babylon, Thrace, Thessaly, Cilicia, India, Libya, Lydia, Macedonia, Naxos, around Pangaios (mythical island south of Arabia), Syria. Most Greek ancient sources placed the 'Ethiopia' he was carried to in the Near East. So pick and choose where Dionysus was raised but he was BORN in the European region.

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#20 Jan 22, 2010
Decipherx1 wrote:
Ethiopia
Aithiopas
Ethiopia is mentioned several times in The Iliad, The Odyssey and the Histories; The primary city of Ethiopia was Meroe which was, according to the historian, Herodotus, forty days on foot and twelve days by boat south of the city of Elephantine on the Nile River; in another part of his narrative, Herodotus says that the Ethiopians lived in Libya towards the southern sea.
The exact location of Ethiopia was, at best, nebulous to the Greeks of Herodotus’ time; there seems to have been two conceptions of Ethiopia: one was the historical land coveted by the Persian Empire and the other was a mythical Ethiopia that Poseidon (lord of the Sea) favored with personal visits.
Homer says that the Ethiopians were the most distant of men and lived in two separate lands that were identified as where the Titan, Hyperion, rose and sat; when the Greek hero, Menelaos (Menelaus), was making his meandering way back to Sparta after the sack of the city of Troy, he said that he traveled to Egypt, Ethiopia and Libya which only implies that Ethiopia was somewhere in Africa.
Dionysus, the god of wine, was born on Mount Nysa which, according to Herodotus, was in Ethiopia.
http://messagenetcommresearch.com/myths/ppt/E...
hey when you said that Meroe was the primary city of Ethiopia,i hope that you refer about the kingdom of Kush which was also called Nubia or "Ethiopia" in ancient Greek and Greco-Roman records and that it was in Sudan ?

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#21 Jan 22, 2010
Jeff wrote:
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You don't know what's your talking about. Greek Mythology isn't referring to black Africans, stop miscontruing the truth. Greeks made all their Greek mythical characters, including those "Aithiopians", as light skinned Caucasians, in other words in their own likeness given they were theirs(Greeks) Gods, not 'black Africans' like Afrocentrics like to falsely claim. To the Greeks the mythical Ethiopia and Ethiopians were two different entities from the real Ethiopians. In fact, and this is actually true, they believed that the "Ethiopians" living in Africa and South Asia were originally white people but one day the sun God Helios drove his chariot too close to the earth and he burned them. The mythical kingdom Ethiopia they didn't even place in sub-saharan Africa .
sorry i erase some of your comments but i assume that you are Eurocentric guys cause they are only them who can said something like :In fact, and this is actually true, they believed that the "Ethiopians" living in Africa and South Asia were originally white people. are you the kind of person that if they told him that this person was Black or something like that he gonna refuse to believe but if they told that they were white ,he gonna believe it ? and one last thing .the guys who was talking about African in Greek mythology never said something about their skin color ,he is just that they are some Africans in Greek mythology and when you are saying that The mythical kingdom Ethiopia they didn't even place in sub-saharan Africa ,are you trying to said that the Ethiopian kingdom wasn't in Africa ?
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#22 Jan 22, 2010
Decipherx1 wrote:
Ethiopia
Aithiopas
Ethiopia is mentioned several times in The Iliad, The Odyssey and the Histories; The primary city of Ethiopia was Meroe which was, according to the historian, Herodotus, forty days on foot and twelve days by boat south of the city of Elephantine on the Nile River; in another part of his narrative, Herodotus says that the Ethiopians lived in Libya towards the southern sea.
The exact location of Ethiopia was, at best, nebulous to the Greeks of Herodotus’ time; there seems to have been two conceptions of Ethiopia: one was the historical land coveted by the Persian Empire and the other was a mythical Ethiopia that Poseidon (lord of the Sea) favored with personal visits.
Homer says that the Ethiopians were the most distant of men and lived in two separate lands that were identified as where the Titan, Hyperion, rose and sat; when the Greek hero, Menelaos (Menelaus), was making his meandering way back to Sparta after the sack of the city of Troy, he said that he traveled to Egypt, Ethiopia and Libya which only implies that Ethiopia was somewhere in Africa.
Dionysus, the god of wine, was born on Mount Nysa which, according to Herodotus, was in Ethiopia.
http://messagenetcommresearch.com/myths/ppt/E...
And your own 'sources' confirms what I said about the mythical Ethiopia being indistinct and vague to the ancient Greeks:

"The exact location of Ethiopia was, at best, nebulous to the Greeks of Herodotus’ time; there seems to have been two conceptions of Ethiopia: one was the historical land coveted by the Persian Empire and the other was a mythical Ethiopia that Poseidon (lord of the Sea) favored with personal visits."

I will repeat: to the ancient Greeks the mythical Ethiopia and Ethiopians were two different entities from what has come to be identified as "Ethiopians" nowadays. The mythical kingdom Ethiopia the Greeks placed for the most part either in the Near East or somewhere in the Caucasus mountains. Hence the Ethiopians of myth were depicted as light skin caucasians by Greeks & Romans alike for the most part.

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