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Bigsmoke

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#487 Apr 27, 2014
darline wrote:
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I need numbers it was too big of an event to not have the organization of counting the commerce or slaves. Things like this don't just happen on the fly you can't be sloppy with this stuff. I need numbers 20 million, then 12.5 million, then 10 million is not gonna do because you guys shoulda had it right the first time. I can't work with these numbers they're erratic. How am I supposed to find out what happened and they keep slashing the numbers by the millions?
I just showed you numbers yet you're asking for numbers.*smh*

You're acting as though it was all conducted by one establishment. How the hell would there of been the organization of counting the commerce or slaves of these were various private and public companies over 3 centuries in over 50 countries using thousands of ships and hundreds of ports? Between countries which were at times at war with each other, during the golden age of piracy and the many illegal slave ships during the 19th century.

You act as though there were computers, international cooperation like we have today and private companies had to make their transactions public. They're families and establishments who've completely destroyed records due to their shame of involvement even.

You have no argument, you're asking for something anyone with common sense would know is not possible to obtain. Accurate numbers to the very last captive, next you'll be asking for all of their names.
darline

United States

#488 Apr 27, 2014
Bigsmoke wrote:
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I just showed you numbers yet you're asking for numbers.*smh*
You're acting as though it was all conducted by one establishment. How the hell would there of been the organization of counting the commerce or slaves of these were various private and public companies over 3 centuries in over 50 countries using thousands of ships and hundreds of ports? Between countries which were at times at war with each other, during the golden age of piracy and the many illegal slave ships during the 19th century.
You act as though there were computers, international cooperation like we have today and private companies had to make their transactions public. They're families and establishments who've completely destroyed records due to their shame of involvement even.
You have no argument, you're asking for something anyone with common sense would know is not possible to obtain. Accurate numbers to the very last captive, next you'll be asking for all of their names.
The proof is just not there, no records I can look at or nothing just numbers that keep changing by the millions. I'm afraid I still can't cosign this. It doesn't sit right that I can't get any concrete answers to be able to go and check this out.
Ugh

Houston, TX

#489 Apr 27, 2014
darline wrote:
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Where are the treaties they signed you need a treaty for trade commerce no matter what. This is millions of ppl a papertrail HAS to be somewhere. I refuse to believe that all this happened with no organization we are talking about millions of ppl being carried off one continent and a 3000 mile, 3 month voyage to another. You need order and agreements to pull that off especially dealing with sovereign countries. The numbers of slaves shipped is getting lower. I want a solid number so I can investigate this atleast let me see the treaty/treaties that were involved for this to happen.
Treaties are between sovereign nations after a "war." To hold the peace and put in place, a truce. With the Slave Trade, it doesn't exactly fall under that. There wasn't a war with the Slaves though there are reports of rebellions, protests, and small-scale fighting.

For the most part, African Kings "agreed" to trade Slaves. Africa just wasn't civilized enough to fight a common enemy or utilizing war formations and such. And they had no concept of a treaty and what that meant. There was no sort of unity, and the Tribes just wasn't advance as a People to see the White Man as "enemy."

Same thing with the Native Indians. Some of the Indian tribes welcomed the White Man to help fight off other Tribes. That's the case with Indigenous, tribal people.
Ugh

Houston, TX

#490 Apr 27, 2014
And I'm aware there were Treaties in place with the Native Indians because the White Man settled in their land.
Bigsmoke

London, UK

#491 May 1, 2014
darline wrote:
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The proof is just not there, no records I can look at or nothing just numbers that keep changing by the millions. I'm afraid I still can't cosign this. It doesn't sit right that I can't get any concrete answers to be able to go and check this out.
You're simply one stubborn girl. I wish I could take you to Africa to see all those slave ports, something I haven't seen either.

What would you say then?
darline

United States

#492 May 1, 2014
Bigsmoke wrote:
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You're simply one stubborn girl. I wish I could take you to Africa to see all those slave ports, something I haven't seen either.
What would you say then?
Sure I would go to investigate and see if it adds up cause of course ports don't necessarily mean slave ports. If you don't have bad teeth like British men are notorious for that would be a plus too;-)

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