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Nero of Pagan Rome

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The word looks like it means "against deities". Very Buddhist.
While I rejected the Christian Church (I was raised Methodist) and it dogma as such, I never saw a problem with the "imaginary friend in the sky". But I found it all better explained by pagan philosophy, from Celtic to Hindu to Mayan.
Anyone familiar with the history of Christianity in the Roman Empire knows that the madness we see currently exhibited by Waha'abi/Salafi/jihadist Islam was in full bloom in the first centuries of the Christian Empire. They brutally tortured and murdered "heretics" and pagans. They enforced an extreme misogynist and fundamentalist regime which destroyed the Empire's military strength, hygiene and health, art and intellectualism.
For many centuries "Christians" and "Muslims" have ravaged the world culturally and economically. Their regimes have sunk humanity into a seemingly interminable misery. The high cultures and far more just social systems of civilizations in India, multiple African regions, Europe, the Mideast and beyond have been replaced with a mindless theoimperialism which continues to afflict the world.
Even when secularized, as is now the case in the Christian West, the same paradigm is in effect, the same assumptions, the same modes, social relations, social structure, culture...
Pagan patriarchal imperialists (e.g., the Roman Empire) were bad enough, but this...
We need a resurgence of paganism on all continents and a resurrection of the culture they've destroyed, to the extent that is possible.
Agreed, wholeheartedly.
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I'm not a pagan. However, I don't have an issue with paganism. In fact, I find paganism to be quite interesting, so I agree that there should be a revival of paganism on all continents and I also agree that the culture that they've destroyed should be restored... not only that, though, the religions Islam and Christianity both need to be eradicated, completely.

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Nero of Pagan Rome wrote:
I'm not a pagan. However, I don't have an issue with paganism. In fact, I find paganism to be quite interesting, so I agree that there should be a revival of paganism on all continents and I also agree that the culture that they've destroyed should be restored... not only that, though, the religions Islam and Christianity both need to be eradicated, completely.
Those two religions are here to stay for the forseeable future...But...seculaization, paganism, agnosticism and various other forms of freethiking dissent may create a more pluralistic atmosphere and a healthier cultural balance.
Since most people are going to believe in some kind of religion, I think that a second look at pre-Abrahamic religions of Africa, Europe and Asia may be worth looking into.

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Sinajuavi wrote:
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The word looks like it means "against deities". Very Buddhist.
While I rejected the Christian Church (I was raised Methodist) and it dogma as such, I never saw a problem with the "imaginary friend in the sky". But I found it all better explained by pagan philosophy, from Celtic to Hindu to Mayan.
Anyone familiar with the history of Christianity in the Roman Empire knows that the madness we see currently exhibited by Waha'abi/Salafi/jihadist Islam was in full bloom in the first centuries of the Christian Empire. They brutally tortured and murdered "heretics" and pagans. They enforced an extreme misogynist and fundamentalist regime which destroyed the Empire's military strength, hygiene and health, art and intellectualism.
For many centuries "Christians" and "Muslims" have ravaged the world culturally and economically. Their regimes have sunk humanity into a seemingly interminable misery. The high cultures and far more just social systems of civilizations in India, multiple African regions, Europe, the Mideast and beyond have been replaced with a mindless theoimperialism which continues to afflict the world.
Even when secularized, as is now the case in the Christian West, the same paradigm is in effect, the same assumptions, the same modes, social relations, social structure, culture...
Pagan patriarchal imperialists (e.g., the Roman Empire) were bad enough, but this...
We need a resurgence of paganism on all continents and a resurrection of the culture they've destroyed, to the extent that is possible.
Many of the Pagan religion were even more repugnant than Christianity and Islam. I heard of one religion where warriors were required to kill someone on their wedding day. Zeus was a god who was said to rape boys and women.
The reality is that religion needs to be abolished all together. Why worship something you have no proof of.

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Many of the Pagan religion were even more repugnant than Christianity and Islam. I heard of one religion where warriors were required to kill someone on their wedding day. Zeus was a god who was said to rape boys and women.
The reality is that religion needs to be abolished all together. Why worship something you have no proof of.
In the GENEALOGY OF MORALS, Nietzsche writes "all religions are at the deepest levels systems of cruelty." (p. 61,Vintage books edition, 1989). I think he has a point.

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<quoted text>In the GENEALOGY OF MORALS, Nietzsche writes "all religions are at the deepest levels systems of cruelty." (p. 61,Vintage books edition, 1989). I think he has a point.
For him, religion was created as a way for the weak to overpower the strong. He saw morality as subjective. Christian morality was slave morality, meaning it was based from the perspective of the slave (the weak). For him, morality based from the perspective of the strong (the rulers) is superior. This is why he was so anti-Christian.

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Walter Henrickson wrote:
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For him, religion was created as a way for the weak to overpower the strong. He saw morality as subjective. Christian morality was slave morality, meaning it was based from the perspective of the slave (the weak). For him, morality based from the perspective of the strong (the rulers) is superior. This is why he was so anti-Christian.
Not all religion. But Nietzsche thought (as you observe) that Christianity was a slave morality designed to undermine the ethic of the strong. But he seems to have some admiration for the "noble" morality of ancient greek religion. Also, for Buddhism.
But evcn those religions were systems of cruelty, though not tainted with the servile ressentiment.
I guess one could call it "subjective." More importantly, for Nietzsche, morality was "social". Yet for Nietzsche there's still the question: "What is the worth of those values?" Are they "life-affirming" or "life-denying." The nobler pagan morality--perhaps even the antique Jewish morality of the OT that he so favorably contrast with the New Testament--are life affirming even if also cruel.

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<quoted text>Not all religion. But Nietzsche thought (as you observe) that Christianity was a slave morality designed to undermine the ethic of the strong. But he seems to have some admiration for the "noble" morality of ancient greek religion. Also, for Buddhism.
But evcn those religions were systems of cruelty, though not tainted with the servile ressentiment.
I guess one could call it "subjective." More importantly, for Nietzsche, morality was "social". Yet for Nietzsche there's still the question: "What is the worth of those values?" Are they "life-affirming" or "life-denying." The nobler pagan morality--perhaps even the antique Jewish morality of the OT that he so favorably contrast with the New Testament--are life affirming even if also cruel.
One of the values embraced by the Greek religion was honor. You won't find that in Christianity. Still, that value had remarkable staying power throughout history. How much is it valued today? I don't know.`
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One of the most profound things about his philosophy is that those morals have been secularized. They have taken hold of the irreligious and atheists.

There was a study done by a psychologist whose work intersects with philosophy. He wanted to compare different philosophers' explanation of morality with how people really conceive of it psychologically, and how they act on it. I do not have a link or reference; I just recall this. The study came to the conclusion that Nietzsche's account of it is the most accurate. Kant comes in second.

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