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[Bigsmoke]

big mike M wrote:

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West Africans and Europeans really started developing in the medieval era..
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After that they should have prep themselves for war against the Europeans. The weapons they bought from the Europeans should have been used to study to manufacture more, like Bigsmoke said.
They should have been more unified. Like the Chinese were against the European. The Chinese were fighting amongst themselves, but ceased when they knew how big of a threat the Europeans were. Just my thought.

But like Africans the Chinese refused to industrialize so parts of China were colonized by Europeans.

Japan sought to industrialize right away so not only would this mean Europeans wouldn't dare try to colonize them but they became a known power after defeating the Russians.

The Chinese would eventually industrialize starting in the 1970s explaining the miracle of the Chinese economy we see today and Russia did so in the 1920s under the Soviets who who'd become a superpower.

The only country in Africa to date which has industrialized is South Africa and it is no coincidence that it also has the largest economy and strongest army in Africa.

Yet ''some'' people claim African countries should not industrialize. Crazy I know.

[Bigsmoke]

If one industrialized Nigeria, within 20 years it could easily be a stronger power than the UK and France combined. They could easily jump onto a nuclear weapons program and no country would really be able to stop them.

All I have to say is two things; 170 million+ people and huge oil reserves. That's a potential superpower.

[Bigsmoke]

Bakari Neferu wrote:

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The Chinese were still all the same ethnicity. They still all saw themselves as Chinese as they had before all been a united region.
In Africa, there existed so such countries as did East Asia. These groups were largely segmented and saw each other as different from each other as Japanese did from Chinese or even Europeans.
As far as manufacturing their own guns, efforts were actually made to manufacture guns domestically, however, Africans were slower on the technological front than Europeans and still required importation to meet domestic demands:
"Until the introduction of guns in the 15th century, traditional weapons like the spear and bow held sway. Efforts were made to reorganize a local guild of blacksmiths in the 18th century to manufacture light firearms, but dependence on imports was still heavy. Before the coming of the gun, guilds of blacksmiths were charged with war production—–particularly swords and iron spearheads.
Benin's tactics were well organized, with preliminary plans weighed by the Oba and his sub-commanders. Logistics were organized to support missions from the usual porter forces, water transport via canoe, and requisitioning from localities the army passed through. Movement of troops via canoes was critically important in the lagoons, creeks and rivers of the Niger Delta, a key area of Benin's domination. Tactics in the field seem to have evolved over time. While the head-on clash was well known, documentation from the 18th century shows greater emphasis on avoiding continuous battle lines, and more effort to encircle an enemy (ifianyako).
Fortifications were important in the region and numerous military campaigns fought by Benin's soldiers revolved around sieges. As noted above, Benin's military earthworks are the largest of such structures in the world, and Benin's rivals also built extensively. Barring a successful assault, most sieges were resolved by a strategy of attrition, slowly cutting off and starving out the enemy fortification until it capitulated. On occasion however, European mercenaries were called on to aid with these sieges. In 1603–04 for example, European cannon helped batter and destroy the gates of a town near present-day Lagos, allowing 10,000 warriors of Benin to enter and conquer it. In payment the Europeans received one woman captive each and bundles of pepper. The example of Benin shows the power of indigenous military systems, but also the role outside influences and new technologies brought to bear. This is a normal pattern among many nations and was to be reflected across Africa as the 19th century dawned."

I do not believe that BS one bit.

So you're telling me after 300+ years they still couldn't figure out how to re-engineer a musket? BS.

Those dumb ass leaders should of sent blacksmiths to Europe to get the know how at least instead of sending fools to Europe so they could read the Bible or get better at speaking a European language.

[-AAA-]

Bigsmoke wrote:

If one industrialized Nigeria, within 20 years it could easily be a stronger power than the UK and France combined. They could easily jump onto a nuclear weapons program and no country would really be able to stop them.
All I have to say is two things; 170 million+ people and huge oil reserves. That's a potential superpower.

I agree! Definitely agree!

[Bakari Neferu]

Bigsmoke wrote:

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I do not believe that BS one bit.
So you're telling me after 300+ years they still couldn't figure out how to re-engineer a musket? BS.
Those dumb ass leaders should of sent blacksmiths to Europe to get the know how at least instead of sending fools to Europe so they could read the Bible or get better at speaking a European language.

Would have, could have, should have. I find it amusing how you claim these people were dumb, as if you actually know what you would or not have done lacking all the knowledge and insight that you currently possess.

None of us do, since we were not around at that time, and had no modern-day references with which to draw upon.

Also, it didn't take 300 years to fail to learn to manufacture guns domestically. Their attempts to manufacture locally were simply not up to par with European advances. Benin wasn't the only case either.

The Basotho also tried to manufacture weapons and powder and they actually had help from Europeans, yet they still were no match against the Boers.

[Bakari Neferu]

**no match against the Boers' weapons.

[UGbeauty]

-AAA- wrote:

<quoted text>We're still on good terms right? If you want me to apologize, I will.

Yes. Don't apologize, no feelings were hurt.

[-AAA-]

UGbeauty wrote:

<quoted text>Yes. Don't apologize, no feelings were hurt.

Ok, thats good.

[Dark man]

Bakari Neferu wrote:

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Would have, could have, should have. I find it amusing how you claim these people were dumb, as if you actually know what you would or not have done lacking all the knowledge and insight that you currently possess.
None of us do, since we were not around at that time, and had no modern-day references with which to draw upon.
Also, it didn't take 300 years to fail to learn to manufacture guns domestically. Their attempts to manufacture locally were simply not up to par with European advances. Benin wasn't the only case either.
The Basotho also tried to manufacture weapons and powder and they actually had help from Europeans, yet they still were no match against the Boers.

I think it was because of location. Japan and britain are isolated from the war torn mainland and could advance without fear of overrun with ground troops. Also africa has alot of land locked coutries.

[Bigsmoke]

Bakari Neferu wrote:

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Would have, could have, should have. I find it amusing how you claim these people were dumb, as if you actually know what you would or not have done lacking all the knowledge and insight that you currently possess.
None of us do, since we were not around at that time, and had no modern-day references with which to draw upon.
Also, it didn't take 300 years to fail to learn to manufacture guns domestically. Their attempts to manufacture locally were simply not up to par with European advances. Benin wasn't the only case either.
The Basotho also tried to manufacture weapons and powder and they actually had help from Europeans, yet they still were no match against the Boers.

300+ years and they couldn't produce a single musket. Do you know why? Because they didn't bother, those ''leaders'' were clearly dumb. Dumb like the various leaders of Africa in the last few decades who've refused to industrialize their countries.

300+ years! Remember that, they had all the time in the world! Not trying to be arrogant but give me 300 years and I'd split an atom.

[Bakari Neferu]

Bigsmoke wrote:

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300+ years and they couldn't produce a single musket. Do you know why? Because they didn't bother, those ''leaders'' were clearly dumb. Dumb like the various leaders of Africa in the last few decades who've refused to industrialize their countries.
300+ years! Remember that, they had all the time in the world! Not trying to be arrogant but give me 300 years and I'd split an atom.

First of all, you are making a straw-man argument. I just gave you two instances of Africans manufacturing their own weapons (guns).

THEY COULD NOT COMPETE WITH EUROPEANS.

I also told you that Africans did try and industrialize AND FAILED.

Now go read a book and stop being dumb like those African leaders who never refused to industrialize anything.

[Bakari Neferu]

Also, where are you getting this "300" years stuff from?

[Bigsmoke]

Bakari Neferu wrote:

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First of all, you are making a straw-man argument. I just gave you two instances of Africans manufacturing their own weapons (guns).
THEY COULD NOT COMPETE WITH EUROPEANS.
I also told you that Africans did try and industrialize AND FAILED.
Now go read a book and stop being dumb like those African leaders who never refused to industrialize anything.

You can make up lies all you want but you can't distort history.

Central-West Africans didn't even attempt to re-engineer the firearms Europeans traded them for captives-slaves.

Africans tried to industrialize? Where the hell are you getting this BS from? South Africa is the only industrialized African country thanks to ethnic British & Dutch descendants who sought to industrialize the country. Egypt has come close but to date no other African country has even attempted.

I don't know about other European powers but Britain attempted to industrialize its colonies in Africa but never got a chance to finish it (except South Africa) as these Africans were eager to become independent. Resulting in idiots taking in charge who'd indulge in wars and using the economy as a personal bank account. Thus the mess of Africa we see today.

Africans tried to industrialize? Please don't make me laugh.

[Dark man]

Blacks were on both sides of "scramble of africa".

[Leroy]

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There are blacks already contributing positively to society. Your problem is that you want to classify all blacks as ghetto failures. That simply isn't the case.

It is for most blacks.

[Bigsmoke]

Bakari Neferu wrote:

Also, where are you getting this "300" years stuff from?

The Atlantic Slave Trade began in the late 1400s ending in 1888 and the European colonization Africa occurred between 1884 - 1920.

So lets say the Atlantic Slave Trade began in 1492 then from that time to the beginning of European colonization of Africa in 1884, that makes up 398 years! Hence why I stated ''300+ years''.

Over 12 million Africans were sold so I just have to wonder how many guns were bought. In 300+ years they still couldn't figure out how to make one, don't make me laugh. They never even tried.

[Bigsmoke]

My mistake.

Atlantic Slave Trade 1490 - 1888
European colonization of Africa 1884 - 1920

Central-West Africans had 394 fcuking years of importing guns from Europe in return for slaves to figure out how to make one themselves. But that wouldn't of saved them, they would of also needed to industrialize something most to date have still failed to do.

Clearly Africa has a been plagued by generations of idiots leading the masses. Idiots more concerned about their belly than the greater people.

[Bakari Neferu]

Bigsmoke wrote:

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You can make up lies all you want but you can't distort history.
Central-West Africans didn't even attempt to re-engineer the firearms Europeans traded them for captives-slaves.

I just showed you an example. Now refute it, or admit to being autistic.

Bigsmoke wrote:

Africans tried to industrialize? Where the hell are you getting this BS from? South Africa is the only industrialized African country thanks to ethnic British & Dutch descendants who sought to industrialize the country. Egypt has come close but to date no other African country has even attempted.

Ghana. Now refute it, or admit to being autistic.

Bigsmoke wrote:

I don't know about other European powers but Britain attempted to industrialize its colonies in Africa but never got a chance to finish it (except South Africa) as these Africans were eager to become independent. Resulting in idiots taking in charge who'd indulge in wars and using the economy as a personal bank account. Thus the mess of Africa we see today.

Yes, I agree with the military and dictatorship rulers being dumb and incompetent.

What source have you read that says that British tried to industrialize countries like Ghana?

Bigsmoke wrote:

Africans tried to industrialize? Please don't make me laugh.

You're autistic. It is not unusual for autistic people to laugh for no apparent reason.

[Dark man]

Bigsmoke wrote:

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The Atlantic Slave Trade began in the late 1400s ending in 1888 and the European colonization Africa occurred between 1884 - 1920.
So lets say the Atlantic Slave Trade began in 1492 then from that time to the beginning of European colonization of Africa in 1884, that makes up 398 years! Hence why I stated ''300+ years''.
Over 12 million Africans were sold so I just have to wonder how many guns were bought. In 300+ years they still couldn't figure out how to make one, don't make me laugh. They never even tried.

They were also weakened by arabs with the tran Saharan slave.

[Dark man]

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