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FEMINISM the GREATEST lie ever told to AAW

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#1 Apr 7, 2012
Why have AAW chased after strange gods and false doctrines? It was like music in their ears and honey in their mouth. Now look at the disarray feminism has caused within our culture.

IF AAW WON'T HEED, MAYBE THEY WILL CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING POST.
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#2 Apr 7, 2012
ERIN PIZZEY set up the world's first refuge for battered women in 1971 - and went on to establish an international movement for victims of domestic violence.

Indeed, my mother's explosive temper and abusive behaviour shaped the person I later became like no other event in my life.

Thirty years later, when feminism exploded onto the scene, I was often mistaken for a supporter of the movement. But I have never been a feminist, because, having experienced my mother's violence, I always knew that women can be as vicious and irresponsible as men.

Feminism, I realised, was a lie. Women and men are both capable of extraordinary cruelty. Indeed, the only thing a child really needs - two biological parents under one roof - was being undermined by the very ideology which claimed to speak up for women's rights.

This country is now on the brink of serious moral collapse. We must stop demonising men and start healing the rift that feminism has created between men and women.

Harriet Harman's insidious and manipulative philosophy that women are always victims and men always oppressors can only continue this unspeakable cycle of violence. And it's our children who will suffer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-121...

The sadness of the women's movement is that they don't allow the necessity of love. See, I don't personally trust any revolution where love is not allowed.

Maya Angelou

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__________

Michelle Obama

The woman who employed my educated mother to clean her house never quite saw her as a sister in the struggle for equality.

Well, it’s no secret that I’m not a fan of feminism. I don’t believe that it had anything to do with Black women’s lives. I believe we already had our own brand of feminism, because Black women have always worked. Our ancestors – mothers, aunts, grandmothers, elders in the church- have been balancing work, relationships and marriage, well, since forever. We failed to uphold the lessons that they tried to teach us, throwing it away for something that NEVER had our families in mind. I can’t be a Black feminist if I’m being separate from the Black men in my life. Just doesn’t work for me. That’s part of the reason why there was no real ‘conflict’ for me when it came to Obama vs. Clinton. Am I Black or Woman? I’m both, but I’ve been in this country long enough to know:

1. Being Black is the true designation of my life

2. Being separated from the men in the community has not done us any good

3.‘Sisterhood’ is a one way street; I’m a ‘ Sister’, when Mainstream Feminism wants something from me. When they’re done, then I’m kicked to the curb. I understood long ago that Miss Anne wasn’t studdin’ about my Black behind, and I don’t think I’m alone in that realization.

I said before that I wasn’t going to hold my breath waiting for Mainstream Feminists to defend Michelle Obama. This was a job that those of us who cared would have to take on our shoulders.

Their silence has been quite instructive….don’t you think

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#3 Apr 7, 2012
Well said, the feminist movement will remain vicariously hidden until men start to expose them.

“Life is just a Moment, njoy it”

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#4 Apr 7, 2012
Women need to help expose them also.
IDontGetIt

Charlotte, NC

#5 Apr 7, 2012
Feminism arose as a response to billions of years of mistreatment of women at the hands of men. When the rulers of the world (men), learn to take responsibility for the monsters they've created in some women, the world will be a better place.
Until, you got what you asked for. A generation of shallow, oversexed, mindless drones who are too busy trying to ironically give men what they want (sex, superficial looks and shallow qualities) to be good women. I have to chuckle sometimes at the predicament some men have gotten themselves into. Female Supply is driven by male demand. Unfortunately, this will never change b/c some men will never understand their true power and role they have in shaping women and their communities.

“Life is just a Moment, njoy it”

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#6 Apr 7, 2012
Augusta National Must have the right idea then!!
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#7 Apr 7, 2012
IDontGetIt wrote:
Feminism arose as a response to billions of years of mistreatment of women at the hands of men. When the rulers of the world (men), learn to take responsibility for the monsters they've created in some women, the world will be a better place.
Until, you got what you asked for. A generation of shallow, oversexed, mindless drones who are too busy trying to ironically give men what they want (sex, superficial looks and shallow qualities) to be good women. I have to chuckle sometimes at the predicament some men have gotten themselves into. Female Supply is driven by male demand. Unfortunately, this will never change b/c some men will never understand their true power and role they have in shaping women and their communities.
I prefer to listen to women that have made a name for themselves and whose ACTIONS have done more for women than some person hiding behind a computer claiming men are demons and women are helpless angels.

Evidently women such as ERIN PIZZEY, MAYA ANGELOU and MICHELLE OBAMA don't know anything and you suppose to be "WHO"?

Finally, every man is the product of his MOTHER and that's biological correct, psychological correct, sociological correct and without debate. When men fall out of the sky fully grown, then you "MIGHT" have a point.

“Life is just a Moment, njoy it”

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#8 Apr 7, 2012
IDontGetIt wrote:
Feminism arose as a response to billions of years of mistreatment of women at the hands of men. When the rulers of the world (men), learn to take responsibility for the monsters they've created in some women, the world will be a better place.
Until, you got what you asked for. A generation of shallow, oversexed, mindless drones who are too busy trying to ironically give men what they want (sex, superficial looks and shallow qualities) to be good women. I have to chuckle sometimes at the predicament some men have gotten themselves into. Female Supply is driven by male demand. Unfortunately, this will never change b/c some men will never understand their true power and role they have in shaping women and their communities.
So you're saying the ugly Lesbian Feminists of the world have to rescue women from the evil men of the world?

I think women are fine and never had a problem until this FEMINIST LESBIAAN movement decided to force their agenda upon society to except them as normal women, has nothing to do with men mistreating
women.

They have LAWS that protect women; there never was a need for a woman's movement for women's rights, the movement is simply for LESBIAN FEMINIST RIGHTS hiding behind women.
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#9 Apr 7, 2012
IDontGetIt wrote:
Feminism arose as a response to billions of years of mistreatment of women at the hands of men. When the rulers of the world (men), learn to take responsibility for the monsters they've created in some women, the world will be a better place.
Until, you got what you asked for. A generation of shallow, oversexed, mindless drones who are too busy trying to ironically give men what they want (sex, superficial looks and shallow qualities) to be good women. I have to chuckle sometimes at the predicament some men have gotten themselves into. Female Supply is driven by male demand. Unfortunately, this will never change b/c some men will never understand their true power and role they have in shaping women and their communities.
Let me add, you said "billions" which is absurd.

Secondly, you have no clue as to who formed feminist ideology and it shows in your misinformed opinion.

Here you are spouting off about men and don't know what you're spouting off about.
IDontGetIt

Charlotte, NC

#10 Apr 7, 2012
Read n Heed wrote:
<quoted text>

Finally, every man is the product of his MOTHER and that's biological correct, psychological correct, sociological correct and without debate. When men fall out of the sky fully grown, then you "MIGHT" have a point.
LMAO! Every man is not solely the product of his mother, but the product of his father as well. In fact b/c he must learn all of his cues for his own masculinity from other men, they play the greatest role. Men have been teaching other men to mistreat, use and objectify women since the beginning of time, only to wonder why they have such a percieved short supply of good women. Its illogical to think that if you would have a bountiful harvest of wonderful fruit, when you've only planted seeds of lust, superficiality and shallowness in your dealings with women. Women emulate other women who are cherished, chased, pursued and treated well. Virginity isn't cherished by American men. In fact women are insulted and pressured by men of all walks in our society to surrender that. Whores and sluts are married and courted at every turn in our society. Conservative women are let high and dry, while pole dancers are respected and desired. Men have elevated whores and placed them on a pedastal. Stop whining now that many women aspire to be what they see you pursue! Men have yet to solve the tension and confusion they have with desiring whores and resenting good women while claiming to want the latter. When men love good women regardless of their physical features, you will see slews of women aspiring to care about things other than triflin qualities. Men rule this world and so if you see something wrong with it, blame the ones who make the rules!
IDontGetIt

Charlotte, NC

#11 Apr 7, 2012
TANGLEFOOT wrote:
<quoted text>So you're saying the ugly Lesbian Feminists of the world have to rescue women from the evil men of the world?
I think women are fine and never had a problem until this FEMINIST LESBIAAN movement decided to force their agenda upon society to except them as normal women, has nothing to do with men mistreating
women.
They have LAWS that protect women; there never was a need for a woman's movement for women's rights, the movement is simply for LESBIAN FEMINIST RIGHTS hiding behind women.
You are mistaken. Can you sell sand to a desert? No. You can only sell an idea or a thing where there is need.
Whether feminism is an evil plot to take over the world, or whether it has genuine origins is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that it found fertile ground to flourish in because so many women have been underestimated, used, abused, undermined and disregarded by many men. Period. History written by men has left women out mostly. Inventions and discoveries by women were often taken by males. Education for women is a very recent thing. Men went and fought a war and women effectively worked hard as hell in this country only to have their men come back and ignore their efforts. All of this and much more has been happening throughout history. Man's biggest mistake was assuming that women were "fine". Its very arrogant to think that we are brainwashed instead of asking us what we truly want. Its a mistake men continue to make. You have some idea of what you think we are "supposed" to be like instead of actually listening to who we are. That's why it's such a betrayal to you when women find ideas that resonate in feminism, b/c they address needs that men were unwilling to acknowledge in the first place. Its sad that this will go on and on simply b/c you're hellbent on making a place for another human being instead of trying to figure out where they desire to be as individuals in the world. You'll never get it.
IDontGetIt

Charlotte, NC

#12 Apr 7, 2012
Read n Heed wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me add, you said "billions" which is absurd.
Secondly, you have no clue as to who formed feminist ideology and it shows in your misinformed opinion.
Here you are spouting off about men and don't know what you're spouting off about.
It doesn't matter if Orville Reddenbocker created it. Obviously somebody saw an opportunity. Instead of asking who, why not ask why or what made so many women receptive to many of the ideas in feminism. It would pain you to be able to understand where someone views themselves in relation to others, to accept the need for revolution. Revolution is never a characteristic of a group of happy people. Women couldn't have been "fine" as you so ignorantly claim if they all but jumped at the chance to change their status quo! Please take the emotion and disdain you feel for women out of this discussion. Please try to understand what I'm saying. Women aren't brainwashed. I know you've been taught over and over and over and over again that we can't think for ourselves, that we're stupid and overly emotional and weak and dumb and ignorant. So I know its just about impossible for you to believe that anything I have to say is of any worth. But entertain for just one moment that 1/2 of the population may have been just a little bit tired of being told that and decided to prove to themselves that they could do more. Nevermind. Who am I kidding? I just count myself lucky that I'm married and don't have to deal with these gender battles anymore.

“Life is just a Moment, njoy it”

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#13 Apr 7, 2012
IDontGetIt wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO! Every man is not solely the product of his mother, but the product of his father as well. In fact b/c he must learn all of his cues for his own masculinity from other men, they play the greatest role. Men have been teaching other men to mistreat, use and objectify women since the beginning of time, only to wonder why they have such a percieved short supply of good women. Its illogical to think that if you would have a bountiful harvest of wonderful fruit, when you've only planted seeds of lust, superficiality and shallowness in your dealings with women. Women emulate other women who are cherished, chased, pursued and treated well. Virginity isn't cherished by American men. In fact women are insulted and pressured by men of all walks in our society to surrender that. Whores and sluts are married and courted at every turn in our society. Conservative women are let high and dry, while pole dancers are respected and desired. Men have elevated whores and placed them on a pedastal. Stop whining now that many women aspire to be what they see you pursue! Men have yet to solve the tension and confusion they have with desiring whores and resenting good women while claiming to want the latter. When men love good women regardless of their physical features, you will see slews of women aspiring to care about things other than triflin qualities. Men rule this world and so if you see something wrong with it, blame the ones who make the rules!
Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Katherine Harris,
Christie Todd Whitman, www.melissaharrisperry.com

www.Niamalikahenderson.com

www.jenniferricheson.com
Just because a successful woman is good looking doesn't mean she's a whore.

If you think men are gonna choose a ugly woman with stinky breath over a pretty sexy woman with coconut milk breath you're NUTTS.

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#14 Apr 7, 2012
IDontGetIt wrote:
<quoted text>It doesn't matter if Orville Reddenbocker created it. Obviously somebody saw an opportunity. Instead of asking who, why not ask why or what made so many women receptive to many of the ideas in feminism. It would pain you to be able to understand where someone views themselves in relation to others, to accept the need for revolution. Revolution is never a characteristic of a group of happy people. Women couldn't have been "fine" as you so ignorantly claim if they all but jumped at the chance to change their status quo! Please take the emotion and disdain you feel for women out of this discussion. Please try to understand what I'm saying. Women aren't brainwashed. I know you've been taught over and over and over and over again that we can't think for ourselves, that we're stupid and overly emotional and weak and dumb and ignorant. So I know its just about impossible for you to believe that anything I have to say is of any worth. But entertain for just one moment that 1/2 of the population may have been just a little bit tired of being told that and decided to prove to themselves that they could do more. Nevermind. Who am I kidding? I just count myself lucky that I'm married and don't have to deal with these gender battles anymore.
Yeah Right, married to what?
Another woman?

What man would marry a woman with your FEMINIST views?
He must have been truly 'down and out'.
kati

Columbus, OH

#15 Apr 7, 2012
I do agree that feminism was mostly started by lesbian women however the ideals were used for women looking for different things...some women wanted their voice to be heard while others were looking for add'l power...However, for most women- they wanted to use feminist ideals to strengthen their families- not to separate from the men. Women do not want to be separate from men..however, it's gotten to the point where women simply are done with abusive treatment of any form.

Each of us, both men and women, want to accepted and appreciated for our own humanity. Just as we are, or, we have all figured out, we are better off alone.
Read n Heed

United States

#16 Apr 7, 2012
IDontGetIt wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO! Every man is not solely the product of his mother, but the product of his father as well. In fact b/c he must learn all of his cues for his own masculinity from other men, they play the greatest role. Men have been teaching other men to mistreat, use and objectify women since the beginning of time, only to wonder why they have such a percieved short supply of good women. Its illogical to think that if you would have a bountiful harvest of wonderful fruit, when you've only planted seeds of lust, superficiality and shallowness in your dealings with women. Women emulate other women who are cherished, chased, pursued and treated well. Virginity isn't cherished by American men. In fact women are insulted and pressured by men of all walks in our society to surrender that. Whores and sluts are married and courted at every turn in our society. Conservative women are let high and dry, while pole dancers are respected and desired. Men have elevated whores and placed them on a pedastal. Stop whining now that many women aspire to be what they see you pursue! Men have yet to solve the tension and confusion they have with desiring whores and resenting good women while claiming to want the latter. When men love good women regardless of their physical features, you will see slews of women aspiring to care about things other than triflin qualities. Men rule this world and so if you see something wrong with it, blame the ones who make the rules!
The hand that rocks the cradle shapes the world and until you can refute that and the biological, psychological and the sociological impact women have on the development of men, you're whistling in the dark.

I repeat, you're spouting off about men and don't know nothing about the formulation of feminist ideology. You're spouting off about men and don't have one iota about who set the stage or foundation of feminist thought.

Lastly, if men are so messed up why do you refer to yourself as a "woMAN", "HEr", "sHE" or "feMALE". If men are so messed up, why don't you take the man out of "woman", take the he out of "her", take the he out of "she", take the male out of "female". Most of all why don't you come up with your own pronoun and leave the masculine out all together?

WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION? WHO IS THE PERSON THAT FORUMALTED FEMINIST IDEOLOGY?
IDontGetIt

Charlotte, NC

#17 Apr 7, 2012
TANGLEFOOT wrote:
<quoted text>Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Katherine Harris,
Christie Todd Whitman, www.melissaharrisperry.com
www.Niamalikahenderson.com
www.jenniferricheson.com
Just because a successful woman is good looking doesn't mean she's a whore.
If you think men are gonna choose a ugly woman with stinky breath over a pretty sexy woman with coconut milk breath you're NUTTS.
I was mistaken to think you could handle a discussion without making assumptions about my views. I never suggested that successful good-looking women are whores.

You're very juvenile to believe that feminism is only about good-looking women vs. ugly women. You're also very juvenile to believe that good looks are what makes a woman good. But your mentality is what drives the type of women you have available to you now in this current generation so its typical. Please believe me, men say everyday that they have no problem find ultrasexy women. There are more flawlessly attractive women at your disposal now a days than ever before. They are waxed clean, breasts high, in the latest fashions. Just for you! And they'll do any trick you want them to. Take it from the office desk to the stripper pole in 0 to 60 flat! But men still aren't satisfied. Women of this generation have become the ultimate male porn fantasy. Men can get sex anytime. And yet, men are still complaining. Its b/c the qualities you pursue in women that women in turn choose to focus on, aren't what it takes to maintain a successful relationship. When men like yourself hear this, you petulantly claim that I want you to wife up an ugly chick when that's the last thing I'm saying!
Instead men need to learn how to focus on the inner just as much as the outer in their women. Once you do that, your women will follow!

BTW, its so funny that you mentioned those women even though their sex appeal would pale in comparision to other female celebrities in the opinions of most men in this generation thus further proving my point. Go to Askmen.com and see who tops the desirability list. Once again, men get what they ask for in women. If you have a problem with this world, don't blame feminism! Blame yourselves!
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#18 Apr 7, 2012
kati wrote:
I do agree that feminism was mostly started by lesbian women however the ideals were used for women looking for different things...some women wanted their voice to be heard while others were looking for add'l power...However, for most women- they wanted to use feminist ideals to strengthen their families- not to separate from the men. Women do not want to be separate from men..however, it's gotten to the point where women simply are done with abusive treatment of any form.
Each of us, both men and women, want to accepted and appreciated for our own humanity. Just as we are, or, we have all figured out, we are better off alone.
I appreciate your response but, within your post there is a bias that cannot go without being addressed.

Take another look at my initial post, especially the part where Pizzy, the founder of women shelters admitted women are just as abusive as men. Abuse is a two way street and research has shown abuse is 50/50.

Take another look at my initial post, especially Maya Angelou saying feminism does not make room for love. I believe Maya made that very clear.

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#19 Apr 7, 2012
Why do you black men fear free inderpenent BW, are you that insecure?
kati

Columbus, OH

#20 Apr 7, 2012
It is the womans job to nurture the children but women can't perform miracles. The nurturing job is only going to be as good and fruitful as the ENVIRONMENT..if the ENVIRONMENT is not stable and condusive to growth and nurture..well, the womans job can't be done.

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