The African Origins of Greeks

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#2 Oct 30, 2012
Let the truth be told.
Barros Serrano

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#3 Oct 30, 2012
The Greeks came from the northeast. They were likely connected to the Maykop culture, north of the Black Sea. They were in no way African! LOL!!!

You make this thread but with no evidence... well, of course there is none.

So what is your motive? Just pure racism? Then go to hell.
Dr Dolittle

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#5 Oct 30, 2012
After all these years an ape finally figured out claiming the Egyptians doesn't matter at all one way or the other when you consider the Greeks--this clever ape almost deserves a banana.

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#6 Oct 30, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
The Greeks came from the northeast. They were likely connected to the Maykop culture, north of the Black Sea. They were in no way African! LOL!!!
You make this thread but with no evidence... well, of course there is none.
So what is your motive? Just pure racism? Then go to hell.
Can't you read fool? How does haplgopup A end up in Greece and Anatolia?
Jeff

Natick, MA

#7 Oct 30, 2012
Mystery Solver wrote:
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Can't you read fool? How does haplgopup A end up in Greece and Anatolia?
You are an idiot. Greeks don't have African origins and neither do they carry haplogroup A, delusional Afrocentric. Greeks have European origins hence why they cluster phenotypically and genetically with other Europeans and NOT Africans, foolish Afrocentric.
Barros Serrano

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#8 Oct 30, 2012
Mystery Solver wrote:
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Can't you read fool? How does haplgopup A end up in Greece and Anatolia?
What is most of the DNA in Anatolia and Greece? African DNA came in mostly with the Natufians into the Mideast, mixed with Mideasterners, and then was carried into Anatolia and Europe by the Neolithic migrations.

The Greeks clearly were Indoeuropeans who migrated in from the northeast. The indigenous people of Greece were of Cro-Magnon type, mixed with Mixeasterners and Caucasians (type G).

Your premise is absurd. Get a job.

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#10 Oct 30, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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You are an idiot. Greeks don't have African origins and neither do they carry haplogroup A, delusional Afrocentric. Greeks have European origins hence why they cluster phenotypically and genetically with other Europeans and NOT Africans, foolish Afrocentric.
I am saying the orginal peoples in prehistoric times. What we find now are traces. Please tell me what haplogroup A is doing in the Aegean?

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#11 Oct 30, 2012
More proof.

According to Knight et al.(2003) Y-haplogroup A, the most diverse or oldest-diverging Y haplogroup transmitted purely by patrilineal descent, is today present in various Khoisan groups at frequencies of 12-44%, and the other Y-haplogroups present have been formed by recent admixture of Bantu male lineages E3a (18-54%), and in some groups, noticeable Pygmy traces are visible (B2b). The Khoisan also shows the largest genetic diversity in matrilineally transmitted mt DNA of all human populations. Their original mt DNA haplogroups L1d and L1k are one of the oldest-diverging female lineages as well.



Around 75,000 years ago, in a cave near the southern Cape shoreline in South Africa, a human drilled tiny holes into the shells of snails and strung them as beads to make the oldest known jewelry.



The shells are marked with traces of red ochre, suggesting they were either decorated with iron oxide pigment or; they were worn by someone wearing primitive makeup with iron oxide pigment. They are the first evidence of artistic creativity and symbolism in Modern Man. This artistic creativity in the Khoisan; would be continued and improved upon.



One of the first evidences of this historic journey of Grimaldi, was found at the caverns of Grimaldi (Baousse-Rousse), between Mentone and Ventimiglia and on the Italian side of the international boundary, these caverns form one of the most compact groups of Palaeolithic caverns in all Europe. Counting two small rock-shelters, the group includes nine stations, the most important being the Grotte des Enfants, La Barma Grande, Grotte du Cavillon and the Grotte du Prince. General attention was first called to this region many years ago by Dr. Paul Riviere's discovery of a human skeleton in the Grotte du Cavillon, the so-called homme de Menton, now in the Natural History Museum, Paris.



Here Rivičre demonstrated the presence of deliberate burials and ornamented clothing in 1872. Later five skeletons in all were found at La Barma Grande, and two of children, in the Grotte des Enfants, whence its name. Interest in archaeology and ownership of one of the caverns (Grotte du Prince), led the Prince of Monaco, Prince Albert I Grimaldi (1848-1922), to provide for a systematic exploration of the caverns: thus the fossils became known as "Grimaldi" in his honour. Fossil remains of these ancient Africans have also been found in France, Switzerland, Central Europe, Bulgaria, Russia, and as Far East as Siberia. The African Khoisan nature of the Fossils was first documented by Boule, Marcellin & Vallois, in their book "Fossil Men" The Dryden Press (1957).



Just as exciting as the fossil finds, were the artefact finds at the Balzi Rossi, or Red Rocks (also known as the Grimaldi Caves), were Louis Alexandre Jullien, carried out the excavations that led, at the end of the last century, to the discovery of fifteen figurines, called the Balzi Rossi Venuses. Many other sites across Europe and Asia have also produced Grimaldi Venuses: many of them Steatopygia Females, and many of normal proportion females. Notable of these are the Venus of Willendorf: found near Krems, Austria. The Venus of Brassempouy, found in France in 1892.

It was very clear that the Grimaldi were Blacks but of course the racists have found a why to lie and obscure the facts.
Jeff

Natick, MA

#12 Oct 30, 2012
Mystery Solver wrote:
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I am saying the orginal peoples in prehistoric times. What we find now are traces. Please tell me what haplogroup A is doing in the Aegean?
What you are saying is Afrocentric BS. Again since it flew over your empty head the first time around: haplogroup A is UNCOMMON in the Aegean so you won't find many haplogroup A carriers IF at all, stupid, and the original prehistoric people who populated Greece and the rest of Europe were NOT Africans but Eurasian types, delusional fool.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#14 Oct 30, 2012
Mystery Solver wrote:
More proof.
According to Knight et al.(2003) Y-haplogroup A, the most diverse or oldest-diverging Y haplogroup transmitted purely by patrilineal descent, is today present in various Khoisan groups at frequencies of 12-44%, and the other Y-haplogroups present have been formed by recent admixture of Bantu male lineages E3a (18-54%), and in some groups, noticeable Pygmy traces are visible (B2b). The Khoisan also shows the largest genetic diversity in matrilineally transmitted mt DNA of all human populations. Their original mt DNA haplogroups L1d and L1k are one of the oldest-diverging female lineages as well.
Around 75,000 years ago, in a cave near the southern Cape shoreline in South Africa, a human drilled tiny holes into the shells of snails and strung them as beads to make the oldest known jewelry.
The shells are marked with traces of red ochre, suggesting they were either decorated with iron oxide pigment or; they were worn und at La Barma Grande, and two of children, in the Grotte des Enfants, whence its name. Interest in archaeology and ownership of one of the caverns (Grotte du Prince), led the Prince of Monaco, Prince Albert I Grimaldi (1848-1922), to provide for a systematic exploration of the ca
It was very clear that the Grimaldi were Blacks but of course the racists have found a why to lie and obscure the facts.
That is more "proof" that is more Afrocentric BS by you identity confused idiots who are so obsessed with Europe and European civilizations and identities that you try to steal them to try and "show" that you are worth something. The only way you idiots believe you are worth anything or to give yourselves some self esteem is by claiming European identities and civilizations. You are pathetic and need metal help. All you do is harp about 'Eurocentric this' and 'Eurocentric that' then turn around and use those SAME outdated and bogus Eurocentric ideas to promote your own Afrocentric crap, such as the bogus Grimaldi man that was used by THOSE SAME EUROCENTRICS to promote Europe superiority and as the "birth place" of human origins and 'races'. The irony is just to priceless and you bozos too stupid to see it.

"The ideas of early racist writers like Arthur de Gobineau made the more politically minded archaeologists of the day consider Europeans as the original (superior) race. Hence, the African and Asian races had to come from somewhere. The Grimaldi finds satisfied the need for an ancestor for Black people, and the skull from Chancelade suggested one for the "yellow" race. M. Boule and R. Verneau can thus be seen as interpreting the find after the leading theories of the day. Others are less tolerant in their judgment: they suggest that the Grimaldi man and the Chancelade man are imaginations resulting from the theories of de Gobineau, to prove the superiority and anteriority of the white race.

The adolescent had all his teeth, but these were manipulated by the anthropologists M. Boule and R. Verneau, when trying to reconstruct the skull and the face. M. Boule drilled the maxillaries in order to release the wisdom teeth that were still inside them. By doing this, he ---> CHANGED THE FACE <---, as the natural growth of the wisdom teeth would have remodeled the dental arc in a natural way. Having then too many teeth to fit the jawline, he reconstructed a very prognathic jaw. The diagnosis of "prognathism" is hence speculative - artificial and possibly intentionally created. Based on these characteristics, Boule and Verneau concluded that the two specimen were "black". Other non-black characteristics were disregarded. The fact that no similar finds were known from Europe did not raise any concern.

Both the Strait of Gibraltar and a route from Algeria via Sicily was thought to have been fordable in the late Paleolithic. Later works have shown none of these geographical locations were passable at the time."
Barros Serrano

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#15 Oct 30, 2012
LOL... and what he's going to tie this to is GRIMALDI? LOL!!!

Pay attention, fool. THERE WAS NO GRIMALDI. The type specimen has been proven to have been distorted by the matrix, and it was NOT African-like, it was a typical Cro-Magnon. There is NO evidence of Africans having entered Europe in the Pleistocene.

There was no original African substrate in Europe. The original indigenous Europeans were the Cro-Magnon of Y-type I. And they are who was in Greece before the “Greeks” got there.

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#17 Oct 30, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
LOL... and what he's going to tie this to is GRIMALDI? LOL!!!
Pay attention, fool. THERE WAS NO GRIMALDI. The type specimen has been proven to have been distorted by the matrix, and it was NOT African-like, it was a typical Cro-Magnon. There is NO evidence of Africans having entered Europe in the Pleistocene.
There was no original African substrate in Europe. The original indigenous Europeans were the Cro-Magnon of Y-type I. And they are who was in Greece before the “Greeks” got there.
YOU LIE! There were Africans in prehistoric Europe. And there is plenty of proof. I will be back with more.
Jeff

Natick, MA

#18 Oct 30, 2012
kenyanboy006 wrote:
The "original" Greeks were not black as we consider it today. They were defiantly not white either. Due to the locations and climate of the Greek isles they were more likely than not a brownish color somewhere between black and white. If you have ever been to Greece today you will not what I mean. If you really want to Piss some racial bigots off then tell them that Jesus was black. It is a fact that people living in the middle east 2000 years ago were defiantly not white. Jesus was probably closer to black than white.
Nonesense and Wrong. The original Greeks would have been identified as white cause their phenotypes as well as their genetics are similar to modern Greeks and other Europeans today, they were not 'brownish' nor 'black'.

DNA and facial measurements from Grave Circle B in Mycenae of 35 individuals are "compatible in the region sequenced with most modern Europeans". The skeletons and DNA samples so far show a striking likeness to most modern Greeks and other Europeans today, while clustering away from Sub Saharan Africans and Asians. Abigail S. Bouwman, Keri A. Brown, N. W. Prag A. John and Terence A. Brown (in press) Kinship between burials from Grave Circle B at Mycenae revealed by ancient DNA typing . Journal of Archaeological Science (30 April 2008)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...

A forensic reconstruction of ancient Greeks:
http://www.myrtis.gr/

And I've been to Greece many times, the people there look no different from any other Europeans, in other words white. Do these Greeks look like they are 'brown' to you or not white?

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Greeks historically have not looked any different from other Europeans nor have they been any darker then any other Europeans. Their phenotypes are typically what one would identify as European or "white", they especially resemble people from the Balkans and Eastern Europe.
Jeff

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#19 Oct 30, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
LOL... and what he's going to tie this to is GRIMALDI? LOL!!!
Pay attention, fool. THERE WAS NO GRIMALDI. The type specimen has been proven to have been distorted by the matrix, and it was NOT African-like, it was a typical Cro-Magnon. There is NO evidence of Africans having entered Europe in the Pleistocene.
There was no original African substrate in Europe. The original indigenous Europeans were the Cro-Magnon of Y-type I. And they are who was in Greece before the “Greeks” got there.
They are stupid beyond comprehension. All they do is harp about 'Eurocentric this' and 'Eurocentric that' then turn around and use those SAME outdated and bogus Eurocentric ideas to promote their own Afrocentric crap, such as the bogus Grimaldi man that was used by THOSE SAME EUROCENTRICS to promote Europe superiority and as the "birth place" of human origins and 'races'. The irony is just to priceless and these bozos too stupid to see it. lol!

"The ideas of early racist writers like Arthur de Gobineau made the more politically minded archaeologists of the day consider Europeans as the original (superior) race. Hence, the African and Asian races had to come from somewhere. The Grimaldi finds satisfied the need for an ancestor for Black people, and the skull from Chancelade suggested one for the "yellow" race. M. Boule and R. Verneau can thus be seen as interpreting the find after the leading theories of the day. Others are less tolerant in their judgment: they suggest that the Grimaldi man and the Chancelade man are imaginations resulting from the theories of de Gobineau, to prove the superiority and anteriority of the white race.

The adolescent had all his teeth, but these were manipulated by the anthropologists M. Boule and R. Verneau, when trying to reconstruct the skull and the face. M. Boule drilled the maxillaries in order to release the wisdom teeth that were still inside them. By doing this, he ---> CHANGED THE FACE <---, as the natural growth of the wisdom teeth would have remodeled the dental arc in a natural way. Having then too many teeth to fit the jawline, he reconstructed a very prognathic jaw. The diagnosis of "prognathism" is hence speculative - artificial and possibly intentionally created. Based on these characteristics, Boule and Verneau concluded that the two specimen were "black". Other non-black characteristics were disregarded. The fact that no similar finds were known from Europe did not raise any concern.

Both the Strait of Gibraltar and a route from Algeria via Sicily was thought to have been fordable in the late Paleolithic. Later works have shown none of these geographical locations were passable at the time."

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#20 Oct 30, 2012
Mystery Solver wrote:
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I am saying the orginal peoples in prehistoric times. What we find now are traces. Please tell me what haplogroup A is doing in the Aegean?
The only "African" haplogroup in the Greeks and the Balkans is is the European variant of E, E-V68.
Jeff

Natick, MA

#21 Oct 30, 2012
Mystery Solver wrote:
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YOU LIE! There were Africans in prehistoric Europe. And there is plenty of proof. I will be back with more.
Africans in prehistoric Europe were not many, stupid. The majority of migrations into Europe in prehistoric times took place via West Asia cause that was the route most homosapiens could cross. Both the Strait of Gibraltar and a route from Algeria via Sicily have shown none of these geographical locations were passable at the time. The majority of genetic analysis of prehistoric European remains show to be European with some minor influences from Africa and Asia so these prehistoric Europeans were NOT 'African', idiot.

Prehistoric: Ancient European DNA assessment with 'globe4'~ Patterson et al.(2012)

Oetzi - Origin Chalcolithic Alps = European 94.5% ; African 2.7% ; Asian 2.7%
Gok4 - Origin TRB Sweden = European 99.5% ; Asian 0.5%; African 0%
Ajv53 - Origin PWC Gotland = European 90.5%; Asian 9.4%; African 0%
Ajv70 - Origin PWC Gotland = European 87.1%; Asian 12.9%; African 0%
Bra1 - Mesolithic Iberia = European 98.8%; African 1.2%; Asian 0%
Barros Serrano

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#22 Oct 30, 2012
kenyanboy006 wrote:
The "original" Greeks were not black as we consider it today. They were defiantly not white either. Due to the locations and climate of the Greek isles they were more likely than not a brownish color somewhere between black and white. If you have ever been to Greece today you will not what I mean. If you really want to Piss some racial bigots off then tell them that Jesus was black. It is a fact that people living in the middle east 2000 years ago were defiantly not white. Jesus was probably closer to black than white.
Wrong. Jesus was a Jew, and looked like a modern Sephardic Jew or an unmixed Ashkenazi.

Galilean remains 2000 years old (Jesus' neighbors and relatives) were studied, and they did indeed prove to be identical to modern Sephardic Jews.

Is that white? Who cares? He was a Jew. He was not black. He was not blond. He looked like Jeff Goldblum with a beard. His mother Mary looked like Sarah Silverman.
Barros Serrano

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#23 Oct 30, 2012
Mystery Solver wrote:
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YOU LIE! There were Africans in prehistoric Europe. And there is plenty of proof. I will be back with more.
There is no proof. The African ancestry in Europe is all from the Neolithic migrations. It is originally of Natufian origin.

The original Homo sapiens in Europe were Cro-Magnon, who entered from the east and southeast, and who were most closely related to Mideasterners. That is why people with mostly Cro-Magnon ancestry today, like Basques or Welsh, often have dark curly hair and somewhat Mediterranean-Mideastern features. They are of type I, like the Cro-Magnon.

Grimaldi was a Cro-Magnon. There was no “Grimaldi Man”. This is well-known to anthropologists. You, of course, have no knowledge of any real academic discipline, and certainly not of anthropology, and so of course you will believe any Afronazi falderol that comes along and believe that you have acquired “knowledge”... LOL!!! Knowledge!!! HA HA HA HA HA Ha LOL!!!

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#24 Oct 30, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Wrong. Jesus was a Jew, and looked like a modern Sephardic Jew or an unmixed Ashkenazi.
Galilean remains 2000 years old (Jesus' neighbors and relatives) were studied, and they did indeed prove to be identical to modern Sephardic Jews.
Is that white? Who cares? He was a Jew. He was not black. He was not blond. He looked like Jeff Goldblum with a beard. His mother Mary looked like Sarah Silverman.
Who is Jesus's daddy? That's the real question here
Barros Serrano

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#25 Oct 30, 2012
KushTheKid wrote:
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Who is Jesus's daddy? That's the real question here
Don't ask me. I'm a Hindu.

My opinion is that the virgin birth was an old pagan story from various cultures, including Egypt and Persia, and it was added as the religion was developed.

The Hindu opinion varies (like everything in Hinduism), but I tend toward the belief that Jesus was an enlightened being (acarya) or in fact as the word "Christ" indicates, a divine presence (Krishna, in fact, same word as Christ).

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