chaste black women vs. video hoes, ho...

chaste black women vs. video hoes, hoes & hoodrats

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“I believe”

Since: Aug 07

Long Beach, CA

#1 Aug 13, 2007
Okay, Ont he "Degrading Rap" thread there was a lot of talk about how women who disrespect themselves sexually are not worthy of respect from you. OOOka-yy...

Well, why can't they be at least worthy of your support, mentorship and compassion? Why do you get so much sadistic satisfaction from gleefully annoucing who is a "hoe, hoodrat, bitch, slut...etc."

Yes, there are some women out there that are lewd and sexually evil, but certainly that is not the majority.

This post is to adress the question: WHERE IS THE COMPASSION AND HELP FOR OUR SISTERS WHO COULD BE HELPED IN THIS AREA?(this excludes the ones who dont think they need it)
same people

United States

#3 Aug 13, 2007
LadyNemesis2007 wrote:
Okay, Ont he "Degrading Rap" thread there was a lot of talk about how women who disrespect themselves sexually are not worthy of respect from you. OOOka-yy...
Well, why can't they be at least worthy of your support, mentorship and compassion? Why do you get so much sadistic satisfaction from gleefully annoucing who is a "hoe, hoodrat, bitch, slut...etc."
Yes, there are some women out there that are lewd and sexually evil, but certainly that is not the majority.
This post is to adress the question: WHERE IS THE COMPASSION AND HELP FOR OUR SISTERS WHO COULD BE HELPED IN THIS AREA?(this excludes the ones who dont think they need it)
In a way you're right we as women are usually the ones who judge other women sometimes harsher than men...personally I have to say that when I see a woman degrade herself I see it as an embarassment to herself and to me as a Black woman I know people all over the world are seeing Black women in videos and assuming were sexual deviants and it bothers me; But once I get past that I try to think why the person is the way she is she could have been raped, or molested or have a very low self-esteem or maybe just doesn't see anything wrong with it which to me also shows a low self-esteem, and when I think of those things I actually feel emphathy for these women...and women will never stop degrading eachother its not a good thing to say but its true as long as Black men and men in general continue to degrade us we will continue to degrade ourselves and eachother...

Level 1

Since: Jul 07

AOL

#4 Aug 13, 2007
Sometimes perhaps we should remember that the clothes do not make the woman in all cases. I admit that I am also guilty of judging the women who dress like ho's and and the video chicks etc. etc.

But...as I was reading this I thought of a girl I knew back in school. She dressed like a tomboy frump...but the girl gave it away like no ones business! Young, old, married, single, professors...it did not matter! And the guys used to talk about her terribly.

But by contrast I knew another girl, tight jeans, low cut shirts, lots of makeup...looked wild...but was a straight up and down good girl! She looked the part was not.

Sooo...you never know I suppose....

“I believe”

Since: Aug 07

Long Beach, CA

#5 Aug 13, 2007
There is no such thing as a good girl who wears low-cut shirts. I find it interesting that you define a good virtuous girl only in the terms of not having sex!

There is so much more to being a good girl than not having sex. That is but one of the many charaterisitcs that embodies one.

First of all, if the desire to not give her body away is not rooted in a desire to please God and follow certain principles and moral code, then what is the point?

What good does it do for example, to get drunk or curse or cruel or disrespectful or arrogant or unmerciful or immodest.

IF .. All you can say is "Well i don't sleep around." SO What? Sure you may be safe from pregnancy, STDs, and relationship drama.. But that is ALL it does...

I think a girl who doesnt sleep around is just that: A girl that doesn't sleep around.

That does not automatically qualify for her to be good according to God's standards, only to men. The desire to be chaste comes from a state of mind that could not posibly indulge in Pride and Arrogance, and therefore If a woman is not haivng sex, but other areas of her life don't reflect any kind of respect for others and not just herself... Its hypicritial.

Level 2

Since: Jul 07

Jamaica Queens, New York

#6 Aug 14, 2007
LadyNemesis2007 wrote:
Okay, Ont he "Degrading Rap" thread there was a lot of talk about how women who disrespect themselves sexually are not worthy of respect from you. OOOka-yy...
Well, why can't they be at least worthy of your support, mentorship and compassion? Why do you get so much sadistic satisfaction from gleefully annoucing who is a "hoe, hoodrat, bitch, slut...etc."
Yes, there are some women out there that are lewd and sexually evil, but certainly that is not the majority.
This post is to adress the question: WHERE IS THE COMPASSION AND HELP FOR OUR SISTERS WHO COULD BE HELPED IN THIS AREA?(this excludes the ones who dont think they need it)
Dudes and a lot chicks too run they mouth too much and do seem to get pleasure out of having reason to believe a woman is a hoe. I've seen more niave dumb hoes then cunniving cut throat hoes though. What I mean is that the niave dumb hoes is mostly misguided females that could be inspired to believe that they are worth more then what they were giving themselves away for but the cunniving cut throat hoes, not much helping them. Most of them use to be naive hoes but all of them have stepped it up and is no teaching them because they know what they are doing. Only way for them to stop is for them to really get hurt physically or emotionally.

Level 2

Since: Jul 07

Jamaica Queens, New York

#7 Aug 14, 2007
Oh yeah why the black females have to be so opposite, one chaste and the other a hoe? Grown women are not supposed to be chaste if your definition is not having sex at all. If you mean responsibily and not with multiple men then yes.

“I believe”

Since: Aug 07

Long Beach, CA

#8 Aug 14, 2007
Conscience Sister wrote:
Oh yeah why the black females have to be so opposite, one chaste and the other a hoe? Grown women are not supposed to be chaste if your definition is not having sex at all. If you mean responsibily and not with multiple men then yes.
Id be happy to answer your question, my belief is that one should wait till marriage to have sex. So, if someone does not hold that belief then fine.
Also, the "videohoes, hoes and hoodrats" were referring to the women who are black who are supposeddly put in these catagories. Since this is the AA forum, I just chose to keep this a "sister to sister" thing.

“Fabulosity at its BEST”

Since: Aug 07

Washington DC

#9 Aug 14, 2007
LadyNemesis2007 wrote:
Okay, Ont he "Degrading Rap" thread there was a lot of talk about how women who disrespect themselves sexually are not worthy of respect from you. OOOka-yy...
Well, why can't they be at least worthy of your support, mentorship and compassion? Why do you get so much sadistic satisfaction from gleefully annoucing who is a "hoe, hoodrat, bitch, slut...etc."
Yes, there are some women out there that are lewd and sexually evil, but certainly that is not the majority.
This post is to adress the question: WHERE IS THE COMPASSION AND HELP FOR OUR SISTERS WHO COULD BE HELPED IN THIS AREA?(this excludes the ones who dont think they need it)
This is an excellent thread first off! Okay, I am in! I definately feeled compelled to say something for a few reasons. I absolutely LOVE hip-hop, and want to get a few things understood. I dont blame the rappers, I blame the wemen who agree to do whatever they ask for in their videos, and the wemen who feel that this kind of lifestyle for their children is exeptable. Our young black wemen feel like this type of publicity and behavior is something to set a goal or a career from. I am a very sexual person, and like going out etc. I just feel like young wemen need to get their heads out their ass3s, and realize, if you ALLOW yourself to get treated like a "pussy-purchase" then thats what you will get. Demand respect, and set yourself to a higher standard. Dont set your goal to be his video hoe. No. Set your goals to be his PRODUCER, or DIRECTOR! Thats my point. Dont sell yourself short ladies. STAY ON YOUR "A" GAME LADIES!!!!!
Willing Thinker

Fresno, CA

#10 Aug 14, 2007
Not all women in the video are video hoes, but they are there.

@ Conscience sista, why aren't "Grils Gone Wild" called "Hoes Gone Wild"?

“Fabulosity at its BEST”

Since: Aug 07

Washington DC

#11 Aug 14, 2007
Willing Thinker wrote:
Not all women in the video are video hoes, but they are there.
@ Conscience sista, why aren't "Grils Gone Wild" called "Hoes Gone Wild"?
OMG I totally agree! Its should definately be called "HOE's GONE WILD"!!! LMFAO! Those dummies do it for free, I am not condoning it, but atleast the video hoes get paid for it! LMAO!!

“I believe”

Since: Aug 07

Long Beach, CA

#12 Aug 14, 2007
CoCosilk wrote:
<quoted text>This is an excellent thread first off! Okay, I am in! I definately feeled compelled to say something for a few reasons. I absolutely LOVE hip-hop, and want to get a few things understood. I dont blame the rappers, I blame the wemen who agree to do whatever they ask for in their videos, and the wemen who feel that this kind of lifestyle for their children is exeptable. Our young black wemen feel like this type of publicity and behavior is something to set a goal or a career from. I am a very sexual person, and like going out etc. I just feel like young wemen need to get their heads out their ass3s, and realize, if you ALLOW yourself to get treated like a "pussy-purchase" then thats what you will get. Demand respect, and set yourself to a higher standard. Dont set your goal to be his video hoe. No. Set your goals to be his PRODUCER, or DIRECTOR! Thats my point. Dont sell yourself short ladies. STAY ON YOUR "A" GAME LADIES!!!!!
But this does nothing to adress you deep seated belief to BLAME the women and excuse the men. I just don't get it.. Do you thinkl that ostrasizing women and calling them names, especailly when it comes from another women is gonna do one bit of good?

Please someone resp[ond to your tendacy to see the world like this...

Woman against other woman, the greatest divide and conquer tactic successfully implemented and cemented!

Who benefots from your lack of compassion for these women?

“Fabulosity at its BEST”

Since: Aug 07

Washington DC

#13 Aug 15, 2007
LadyNemesis2007 wrote:
<quoted text>
But this does nothing to adress you deep seated belief to BLAME the women and excuse the men. I just don't get it.. Do you thinkl that ostrasizing women and calling them names, especailly when it comes from another women is gonna do one bit of good?
Please someone resp[ond to your tendacy to see the world like this...
Woman against other woman, the greatest divide and conquer tactic successfully implemented and cemented!
Who benefots from your lack of compassion for these women?
I guess you misunderstood. As I stated, what they need to do is AIM HIGHER. These wemen are grown ass wemen who have been taught right from wrong. I cant re-raise someone elses child. Thats not my job. Whatever I can do to help I will, but I dont have sympathy, sorry. They were offered the same choices as I was in life. The decisions that they made are on them. They look for money in the wrong place. And, no I dont excuse the men, but men get away with what they are ALLOWED TO! If you allow a man to treat you like a Hoe, or something that he can purchase for his video to make him look good, then thats your fault. Not mines. I had no aspirations to be a video hoe, and no my parents didnt have money. I WORKED for everything I got! I had to push in school for good grades to obtain scholarships, Why?! Because I wanted better for my life then to become a stereotypical "video hoe"!. I use the term "Video Hoe" losely because I dont know what else to call a female who shakes her a$$ for cash, on live TV. Excuse me for my observations, but the way I see it, If the shoe fits...
Samuel

Newark, NJ

#14 Apr 16, 2009
women in the media degrades themselves, men who don't respect women also degrade women. perfect examples of bad examples for women:

melyssa ford, buffie the body, vida guerra, angel....they always stereotype black and hispanic women as being nothing but ass but and thighs.....these women are marketing their [email protected] instead of their brains

they are nothing compared to beyonce, shakira, selma hayak, j lo, who are conscious of how girls may view them as role models....all these women made it from talent. Vides "models" built a career off of their a$$ses and plastic surgery. they teach men and boys that it's okay to value women for one thing, they are the standard of beauty and no one else is....what's worse is some lil girl somewhere wants to be them. look at corin stefan....ppl need to have morals.
jdd

Indianapolis, IN

#15 Nov 17, 2009
well said Samuel from newark...lol

I've always believe women who don't respect themselves and men who don't respect women have one thing in common THEY BOTH DON'T HAVE RESPECT FOR WOMEN. Beyonce has made it off talent....whereas these women make it off there soon to expire bodies. they are bad examples and standards for women and men.

unfortunately brainwashed, porn addicts, and the immoral don't see it this way.

Level 1

Since: Jul 07

Mansfield, OH

#16 Nov 18, 2009
LadyNemesis2007 wrote:
There is no such thing as a good girl who wears low-cut shirts. I find it interesting that you define a good virtuous girl only in the terms of not having sex!
There is so much more to being a good girl than not having sex. That is but one of the many charaterisitcs that embodies one.
First of all, if the desire to not give her body away is not rooted in a desire to please God and follow certain principles and moral code, then what is the point?
What good does it do for example, to get drunk or curse or cruel or disrespectful or arrogant or unmerciful or immodest.
IF .. All you can say is "Well i don't sleep around." SO What? Sure you may be safe from pregnancy, STDs, and relationship drama.. But that is ALL it does...
I think a girl who doesnt sleep around is just that: A girl that doesn't sleep around.
That does not automatically qualify for her to be good according to God's standards, only to men. The desire to be chaste comes from a state of mind that could not posibly indulge in Pride and Arrogance, and therefore If a woman is not haivng sex, but other areas of her life don't reflect any kind of respect for others and not just herself... Its hypicritial.
I find it interesting that you think that there is no such thing as a 'good girl' who wears low cut shirts. Fashion choice does NOT always define the morality of the woman.

I never stated that there was not more to being a 'good girl' than being chaste. However for colloquial purposes, one generally is speaking of sexual conduct when speaking of 'good' versus 'bad' girls.
PimpThe478

Barataria, Trinidad and Tobago

#17 Oct 31, 2013
I find them to be one in the same.What is the difference between a black woman and a hoodrat? I think it comes down basically to the same thing.

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