attai=savant??

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#424 Oct 28, 2013
Walter Henrickson wrote:
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Re-reading the post you responded to, I realize I used some unfortunate language. I used the words "legitimate gripes." What I should have said was that "white privilege" is something instead of nothing. It does exist, but as Ish Tov says it's overblown.
This "white privilege" idea is most often used as a kind of moral cudgel used, consciously or otherwise, to create guilt feelings in white people. A lot of the time it's done in a self-serving manner. If you read any of Savant's or Ish Tov's last posts on this thread, you'll see it is used as a part of class warfare (the hell with identity, culture, race! It's all about materialism!). People like them don't care how far their efforts go to upset white people's racial or national identity and cohesion. Those things are barriers, as far as they are concerned, to increasing what they really want: class consciousness.
We see Savant and Ish Tov on Topix posting this and that, but here is an example of what is really going on in our publicly funded universities. I was searching for something (I can't remember) and found a report from a psychological study. It was on one of those sites where you have to have an paid account (like the kind left dominated university faculty have). After searching around I was able to find a free copy and I read it.
They studied real hiring managers in real businesses and their hiring decisions. They identified white hiring managers who hired white job applicants who they (the researchers) deemed less qualified over black applicants who they (the researchers) deemed more qualified. Let's call these white hiring managers the "racists." The researchers were able to manipulate the "racists" such that in subsequent hiring situations the "racists" would over correct and hire the black applicants. This was reported rather gloatingly. The researchers surmised that the "racists" would self-correct and eventually hire the "correct" person. Yes, they actually used the word "correct" in what person they should have hired. But of course they did not follow up on that. They published their results and that was that.
I don't think this weird "guilt" thing that exists with a segment of White people exists with any other people's in the world- or ever has. It is a really weird- and of course is used as an achilles heel.

Are you talking about the abilities that Whites have had as majority in the nation- in their voting, laws they set up, etc. as being the White privilege?

smh at that "research report". Truly sick- and just a drop in the bucket of what could be found.

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#425 Oct 28, 2013
Raptors Revenge wrote:
<quoted text>You will never get him to comprehend that sONE. His mindset will not allow his hypocrisy to be overruled by rational thinking. His braincell is trained to cry racism each time he has a mental shutdown, due to facts that are obviously too painful to bare.
And it's funny as hell to watch:)
Racism, as a word, has lost all meaning from being used in such ridiculous ways.

Yeah, I don't take any of these people seriously anymore.

Ish Tov
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#426 Oct 28, 2013
sONE wrote:
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I know this is addressed to Lady Greensleeves, but I'm butting in- as I have posted about this earlier in this thread.
WHITENESS is a slang term for Indigenous Europeans- either one ethnicity or a mixture of them. To say we need to get rid of that is to send the message that, at the very least, Whites need to get rid of their cultures, pride in the good parts of their histories, their special connection with each other in their unique ways, etc. If it was said to you- we need to get rid of "Blackness" to end "something not acceptable" in the world, how would you take it?
If people MEAN we need to work toward fairness for all and against elitists taking too much control, then say that. All Whites are not elitists or unfair (by a long shot) and all non-Whites are not automatically fair, powerless, or victims. How can anyone say we need to get rid of Whiteness and think people will not take it as an insult??
Wrong. You do not understand the analysis.

Whiteness doesn't mean white people. It means the notion of race, that white is different, and which has led to white supremacy, involving discrimination against those called “non-white”.

There is no “white race”, is the point. I know that bursts your biggest bubble, but it's true.

You should read the theoretical work on this if you wish to understand it.

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#427 Oct 28, 2013
Loulou wrote:
Plus Americans are looked upon as annoying. It's mostly coz they often speak very loud. Today we do know that Americans fought our wars - and helped Europe. But there're still cultural differences. And the hostility towards white Americans is dimininished. Small countries often have a small country complex. Not something we'd like to admit. And perhaps in a not so distant past we were more likely to socialize with minorities around the world. But not so much anymore, especially among the young generations.
MLK fine, black movements fine. But we do not identity ourselves with that. Those who left Europe are our blood . We know that now.
Europe would not have survived without white Americans. We are brought up with an enormous white guilt. But I think it does not apply to the youngest ppl in Europe. Small everyday insults by forigners, who call our food nasty and our mom a [email protected] and our dad a weak homo. And in any other ways try with everyday insult and lies. Will be ignored. And we WILL vote as we please. Geert Wilders in the Netherlands is a member of parlament. The zero tolerance limit for comming and acting out here has now reached, most of Europe.
Yes, I have heard that Europeans thing Americans are loud. I have been around Europeans a bit- and the ones from Scandinavia were very soft spoken to me. The ones I know from Germany are mostly older people, friends of my relatives, who have been in the US for decades- and they are as loud as "the average American". I find it funny how "frank" these older German people are. They just tell you if they hate the outfit you are wearing, etc. lol. They can tell bawdy jokes too, and laugh uproariously.

When I was in Europe on a couple of vacations- I found the younger English people to speak louder than the older ones.

You are brought up with enormous White guilt? Why? When did that start. I, personally, was not brought up with it. My family never talked about race and I was around people from all sorts of economic backgrounds.

I look at people in Europe as being of my blood also. I have several European ethnicities in my background.

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#428 Oct 28, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
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Wrong. You do not understand the analysis.
Whiteness doesn't mean white people. It means the notion of race, that white is different, and which has led to white supremacy, involving discrimination against those called “non-white”.
There is no “white race”, is the point. I know that bursts your biggest bubble, but it's true.
You should read the theoretical work on this if you wish to understand it.
Then let's get rid of the "terms" Black American, Native American, Asian, Mestizo, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.

Ish Tov
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#429 Oct 28, 2013
sONE wrote:
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Then let's get rid of the "terms" Black American, Native American, Asian, Mestizo, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.
You 100% don't get it.

There is no privilege associated with those ethnicities. There is nothing wrong with ethnicity, even if it's Euro. The problem is that WHITENESS has been used as a criterion for superiority.

Jackass boy admits that white privilege exists, then claims it is only there as a cudgel to use against whites! LOL... talk about missing the point.

If it exists, let's eliminate it... then nobody will have anything to complain about and you white reactionary racists can relax, ok?

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#430 Oct 28, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
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You 100% don't get it.
There is no privilege associated with those ethnicities. There is nothing wrong with ethnicity, even if it's Euro. The problem is that WHITENESS has been used as a criterion for superiority.
Jackass boy admits that white privilege exists, then claims it is only there as a cudgel to use against whites! LOL... talk about missing the point.
If it exists, let's eliminate it... then nobody will have anything to complain about and you white reactionary racists can relax, ok?
No, I "don't get it" because it doesn't make any sense.

You are wrong that I grew up never knowing different ethnicities and RACES of people. Yes, I believe race exists, but don't have time for a 20 page argument. I was also raised around different economic classes- but the one thing they all had in common was that they were responsible people and cool, dignified people- so I truly was raised to see different RACES and ethnicities being successful in one way or another and not oppressed losers. My family does not hang around oppressed losers.

As for "privilege"-- do you not think others who are a majority have a "Privilege" of some type in their own nations? Exceptions to this would be places like Mexico where a small group keeps the power and money and the majority are the oppressed.
Stag_R_Lee

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#431 Oct 28, 2013
sONE wrote:
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I know this is addressed to Lady Greensleeves, but I'm butting in- as I have posted about this earlier in this thread.
WHITENESS is a slang term for Indigenous Europeans- either one ethnicity or a mixture of them. To say we need to get rid of that is to send the message that, at the very least, Whites need to get rid of their cultures, pride in the good parts of their histories, their special connection with each other in their unique ways, etc. If it was said to you- we need to get rid of "Blackness" to end "something not acceptable" in the world, how would you take it?
If people MEAN we need to work toward fairness for all and against elitists taking too much control, then say that. All Whites are not elitists or unfair (by a long shot) and all non-Whites are not automatically fair, powerless, or victims. How can anyone say we need to get rid of Whiteness and think people will not take it as an insult??
. Your notion of "whiteness" is confused. The ideal, during the 30's and leading up to WWII was to forge one culture: American. It was hoped that, in defiance of different ethnic, racial and religious backgrounds, people living here would find a way to accept every citizen as an individual.
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It turned out, after WWII and through the fifties, that some of us were unable to access the "dream." This was made clear in preferential housing, hiring and education. In the South, Blacks couldn't vote. The Black response was to forge a social movement in an effort to replace that which was clearly missing: political and economic power. The Black Muslims, Black Panthers, CORE, etc. are specific examples of organizations that fought for equal rights under the law.
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The point is that it was whites, not Blacks, that redefined social perceptions. Whites, seemingly in response to the Black Power movement, began to emphasize differing ethnicities, e.g. Polish, Italian, Jews, Germans, etc.
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I am saying that if you are interested in consolidating "white people" in the U.S. into a single culture, you should look to those who are constantly attacking groups on the basis of race, religion, etc. You will find, at every turn, that whites are behind the divisive behavior. As for Blacks, It is rare to witness a Black referring to a person on an ethnic basis. Trolls, for example, know that their hate speech is tearing down the fabric of this nation. Yet they continue to spew hate against religious and racial groups.
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You may have read my account of an experience I had in college. Jews were the majority. Jewish students approached me on two occasions, asking that I estimate the number of Jews living in my area. To my knowledge, not a single Jew lived in my neighborhood. "Zero" was my answer. I did know that a synagogue stood in a distant area. The students would not accept my answer, and in the end made up a number then left.

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#432 Oct 28, 2013
Lady Greensleeves wrote:
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I am not sONE; nor am I blonde... but I see that you have a RACIST attitude towards blondes!!! How DARE you, you lowlife racist scum??!
-LMAO-
LOL- For him, seeing blonde hair is like a red cape in front of a bull!
Ol Kilroy

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#433 Oct 28, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
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You 100% don't get it.
There is no privilege associated with those ethnicities. There is nothing wrong with ethnicity, even if it's Euro. The problem is that WHITENESS has been used as a criterion for superiority.
Jackass boy admits that white privilege exists, then claims it is only there as a cudgel to use against whites! LOL... talk about missing the point.
If it exists, let's eliminate it... then nobody will have anything to complain about and you white reactionary racists can relax, ok?
There is no more white priviledge. I'm a Timorese and I float in this pool just fine.

Stop trying to start trouble the racial discrimination of the 50's and 60's is over. If people don't make it today we must blame the individuals. You must learn to accept reposnisbility and stop whining. It makes you look like a big loser!
Masud_S_Hoghughi __

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#434 Oct 28, 2013
Lady Greensleeves wrote:
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Oh, no. I can never get enough of *good* horror films / stories. It is harder to write a *good* horror film / story than it is to write any other type of film / story.:)
here's a real horror story for u LG - the Dyatlov Pass Incident.......ever heard of it?



........skeerier than fiction..........

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#435 Oct 28, 2013
Stag_R_Lee wrote:
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. Your notion of "whiteness" is confused. The ideal, during the 30's and leading up to WWII was to forge one culture: American. It was hoped that, in defiance of different ethnic, racial and religious backgrounds, people living here would find a way to accept every citizen as an individual.
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It turned out, after WWII and through the fifties, that some of us were unable to access the "dream." This was made clear in preferential housing, hiring and education. In the South, Blacks couldn't vote. The Black response was to forge a social movement in an effort to replace that which was clearly missing: political and economic power. The Black Muslims, Black Panthers, CORE, etc. are specific examples of organizations that fought for equal rights under the law.
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The point is that it was whites, not Blacks, that redefined social perceptions. Whites, seemingly in response to the Black Power movement, began to emphasize differing ethnicities, e.g. Polish, Italian, Jews, Germans, etc.
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I am saying that if you are interested in consolidating "white people" in the U.S. into a single culture, you should look to those who are constantly attacking groups on the basis of race, religion, etc. You will find, at every turn, that whites are behind the divisive behavior. As for Blacks, It is rare to witness a Black referring to a person on an ethnic basis. Trolls, for example, know that their hate speech is tearing down the fabric of this nation. Yet they continue to spew hate against religious and racial groups.
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You may have read my account of an experience I had in college. Jews were the majority. Jewish students approached me on two occasions, asking that I estimate the number of Jews living in my area. To my knowledge, not a single Jew lived in my neighborhood. "Zero" was my answer. I did know that a synagogue stood in a distant area. The students would not accept my answer, and in the end made up a number then left.
I don't know how old you are- but being born after 1990 I have not seen all this first hand. I do understand the history. My mom has 3 Black female friends from her high school days. Two of them are married and they and their husbands have successful careers. The other one never married and has a long time job with the post office. Many laws have been put on the books- and truly I am not around people who talk about race- it rarely comes up. I'm sure incidents come up in personal lives regarding prejudice. I have experienced a few myself actually- racist teachers, small incidents involving racist actions from fellow students, etc. I really don't think there are major institutional barriers against Blacks now or see that there are special privileges that exist because people are White- other than being a majority of voters still- but even then they are split on voting issues and don't vote in huge blocks like Blacks and Latinos do.

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#436 Oct 28, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>I wouldn't credit YOU with much subtlety if you actually believe that there's a "thin line" between "ending whiteness" and exterminating 1 billion white skinned people.
What a PRIMITIVE perception; more or less on the elvel of OhReally even if expressed with greater articulateness.
"...if you actually believe that there's a "thin line" between "ending whiteness" and exterminating 1 billion white skinned people."

You are speaking as if you are directly quoting me ( even using quotation marks). Would you please cite the post from whence you got this quote?

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#437 Oct 28, 2013
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>Careful... you might get the thread back on topic.

It's been amusing watching these white-right jerks fighting.

Greenie claims she's not racist but coddles Whining in Darkness though he's clearly expressed Nazi attitudes and white supremacy.

She's another s'One, flipping her hair as the white racist boys crowd around her trying to cop a feel, lol.

They're all seriously pathetic bastards.
I *twice* now have asked you a very straightforward and manageable question. Are you going to answer?

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#438 Oct 28, 2013
sONE wrote:
<quoted text>Racism, as a word, has lost all meaning from being used in such ridiculous ways.

Yeah, I don't take any of these people seriously anymore.
This is so very true. The words "racism" and "racist" are now used in so many convoluted ways. When that happens with a word, the word then loses its meaning, which means that it loses its power / effectiveness.

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#439 Oct 28, 2013
sONE wrote:
<quoted text>LOL- For him, seeing blonde hair is like a red cape in front of a bull!
-LoL-! I had thought that that was an extremely strange insult: "You must be blonde. What a twit."

????
Stag_R_Lee

Scottsdale, AZ

#440 Oct 28, 2013
sONE wrote:
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I don't know how old you are- but being born after 1990 I have not seen all this first hand. I do understand the history. My mom has 3 Black female friends from her high school days. Two of them are married and they and their husbands have successful careers. The other one never married and has a long time job with the post office. Many laws have been put on the books- and truly I am not around people who talk about race- it rarely comes up. I'm sure incidents come up in personal lives regarding prejudice. I have experienced a few myself actually- racist teachers, small incidents involving racist actions from fellow students, etc. I really don't think there are major institutional barriers against Blacks now or see that there are special privileges that exist because people are White- other than being a majority of voters still- but even then they are split on voting issues and don't vote in huge blocks like Blacks and Latinos do.
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OK--conditionally. I'm not so sure that the institutions e.g., Law Enforcement are consistent with what you believe. Example, the majority of "terrorist" framed in the U.S. have been down-and-out African Americans.
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But, accepting what you said in your last post, my post--by comparison-- dealt with the cause of ethnic divisiveness in the U.S. As indicated, you need only exam this forum and you can clearly see that those who continually speak to ethnic, racial and religious hatred tend to be whites.

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#441 Oct 28, 2013
Masud_S_Hoghughi__ wrote:
<quoted text>here's a real horror story for u LG - the Dyatlov Pass Incident.......ever heard of it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =J1AUgb0kjccXX

........skeerier than fiction..........
I just watched the video.

No, I had never of this story, even though I watch The History Channel, The National Geographic Channel, etc! Wow. That is both fascinating and terrifying. In the right hands, this story would make an *exemplary* horror movie, especially as it would be based upon a true story.

Thank you for the link-- I will be passing it on to a certain person.:)

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#443 Oct 28, 2013
Lady Greensleeves wrote:
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-LoL-! I had thought that that was an extremely strange insult: "You must be blonde. What a twit."
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Well, of course there's the "dumb blonde" jokes- mostly from "the old days". "You must be blonde underneath those roots", etc. However, it seems to "enrage" Barros and be indicative of MANY character flaws, lol.



^^^LOL

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#444 Oct 28, 2013
Lady Greensleeves wrote:
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I just watched the video.
No, I had never of this story, even though I watch The History Channel, The National Geographic Channel, etc! Wow. That is both fascinating and terrifying. In the right hands, this story would make an *exemplary* horror movie, especially as it would be based upon a true story.
Thank you for the link-- I will be passing it on to a certain person.:)
I'd seen it before and read a book about it some time ago- but can't remember the name of the book just now.. It is fascinating!

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