The Kemetic/egyptian origin of David and Goliath

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Spirit of David

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Oct 27, 2009
 

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Answer for yourself: Did Old Testament editors and Jewish Scribes living in Babylon between the 6th and 3rd centuries B.C.E. try to conceal the fact that Tuthmose III, not Abraham, was the father of Isaac, and there also the founding fathers of the 12 Tribes of Israel? Did they, by creating this King David, try to cover up the fact that the Pharaoh's name "Tuth" (or Thoth), became "David" in Hebrew, the word used for "David" in the Bible? Did they create this "Second David" to cover up the fact that he this empire was ruled by Egyptian Pharaohs of the Armana Dynasty in the times when "Jewish tradition" has the emerging of Israel as an autonomous nation?

Answer for yourself: Are you aware that the duel between David and Goliath, inserted to enhance the tribal David's reputation as a "man of war", is an adaptation of a much-admired Egyptian literary work, The Autobiography of Sinhue, describing events that took place 1000 years earlier? Would not this tale have been familiar to the Israelites from the earlier period to their Sojourn and the 4 generations that they spent in Egypt during the 15th and 14th centuries B.C.E.?

Answer for yourself: What persuaded the biblical scribes to take two characters who lived five centuries apart and treat them as one? That is a hard question but it does have an answer.

The most significant fact of all in establishing the identity of David is that the biblical accounts of his campaigns matches in precise detail the accounts of the battles fought by Tuthmose III, whose details are to be found inscribed in the Annals, a 223 line document at the granite holy of holies the King built after the 40th years of his reign (1439 B.C.E.) at Karnak which is modern Luxor in Upper Egypt, on the east bank of the Nile opposite the Valley of the Kings.

To further answer the questions posed in this article concerning the identification of King David with Tuthmose III then we have to begin at the beginning with Abraham and Isaac. So it is there we now turn for those who have not see the origin of this Hebrew lineage of Pharaohs. If you have then let us go on and in so doing we will discover the origin of the Hebrew-Egyptian link that will later manifest itself on the throne of Egypt during the 18th Dynasty and answer once for all where get get the "historical link" for the tradition of a crucified savior.

Answer for yourself: Who was the real father of Isaac and who is the seed of promise that will end up "crucified on a tree? This study is truly fascinating.

Well let us see as we examine the history of Egypt!
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This is madness. For one thing, we see the borrowing of myths as a common thing, and often a tribe's REAL historic characters are inserted into an existing myth. The story of David and Goliath was based on fact, but of course all historical facts are modified in the telling.

Also, this crazy stuff about the Hebrews, Judaism, Jesus, etc., being "really" Egyptian ignores the fact that the HEBREWS/ISRAELITES/JEWS are KNOWN historically and archaeologically! They lived in Israel! They were known to the other peoples of the time (i.e., Hittites, Babylonians, Egyptians, Persians, Greeks).

What this idiotic speculation does is perpetuate an anti-Jewish sentiment which wishes to deny everything that is theirs and appropriate it for someone else. This is NOT an improvement on Nazism which simply declared the Jews "evil" and called for their extermination.

Those of you pushing this anti-Israeli crap, I see you as no different than Nazis.
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Oct 27, 2009
 
google ''why was the true identity of david in the bible concealed?''(for the link on post#1)according to that link,David was really Thutmoses lll.
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Oct 27, 2009
 
Here's another link to the kemetic/egyptian origin of the David and Goliath story..

http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/articles/david-go...
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Oct 27, 2009
 
THE TRUE IDENTITY OF KING DAVID OF THE BIBLE
Answer for yourself: How much do you presently know concerning the Pharaoh Tuthmose III and the other Amarna Pharaohs? Well if you are like most then you know very little if anything at all.

Answer for yourself: Have you ever compared the accounts in the Bible of David and his wars and military battles described in the Tanakh with the exploits of Amenhotep III's great grandfather, the 18th Dynasty Pharaoh Thutmose III as they were written on the stone walls on the Temple of Karnak in Thebes?

Answer for yourself: Do you know what you find when you do? You find that not only are their achievements equivalent and identical but so are their very names as well!

I will try to present evidence showing that the Pharaoh Thutmose III is the King David we find depicted in the Old Testament. Thutmose is an Egyptian compound name comprised of "Thut" (from Thoth, the Egyptian god of wisdom) and "mose" (an Egyptian title or suffix indicating son or rightful heir).

Answer for yourself: Are you aware that in the ancient Egyptian language, like the later Hebrew language, words were written without vowels? Should we not expect knowing this that the Hebrew language was a later development similar to the Egyptian language if the Jews were the offspring of the Egyptians? It sure would seem so and writers like Godfrey Higgins in his Anacalypsis proves the point as do many other scholars today.

The first element of the famous Pharaoh Tuthmose III was always written as "twt", i.e. with 3 consonants. For some mischievous reasons the middle consonant letter was changed to the vowel "u" by some Egyptologists. When "Twt" was written, in the equivalent Hebrew alphabetical characters, it becomes "Dwd". When "Dwd" is pronounced phonetically it becomes "Dawood" which the Hebrew name for "DAVID" (Moustafa Gadalla, Historical Deception: The Untold Story Of Ancient Egypt, p. 147.

Answer for yourself: Is this but a coincidence? Is there the remotest chance that the Egyptian warrior Pharaoh King was the Biblical warrior King David who was better know as the historical Tuthmose III? Is the Biblical account historically without merit?

"Thut", in Egyptian, was, therefore, written as "Twt". The ancient Hebrew language, although very different from Egyptian, originally derived its written structure from the Egyptian language (Cross, "Origins of the Alphabet" in Ebla to Damascus: Art and Archaeology of Ancient Syria, 271-278.) As with Egyptian, the consonants were written and the vowels were vocalized only.

Answer for yourself: Can you guess what you get when you transliterate the Egyptian word "twt" into Hebrew? Let me give you a hint. The name begins with a "D".

Because of their similar alphabets, you end up with "dvd". If you add the vowels necessary for pronunciation in Hebrew you get David!(Cross, "Origins of the Alphabet" in Ebla to Damascus: Art and Archaeology of Ancient Syria, p. 88).

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Oct 27, 2009
 
Now let us look at one event recorded and attributed to King David.

2 Sam 8:5-6 5 And when the Syrians of Damascus came to succour Hadadezer king of Zobah, David slew of the Syrians two and twenty thousand men. 6 Then David put garrisons in Syria of Damascus: and the Syrians became servants to David, and brought gifts. And the LORD preserved David whithersoever he went.(KJV)

Answer for yourself: Are you aware that the same things are said of Thutmose III in prior Egyptian history where it is recorded on stone monuments that Thutmose III defeated an earlier coalition of Syrian and Canaanite kings as described in the Bible and attributed to King David? Are you aware that it is told in Egyptian stone and history that Thutmose III also established garrisons in these same regions in order to permanently secure Egyptian control there? Is this proof that these two men are the same?(Cross, "Origins of the Alphabet" in Ebla to Damascus: Art and Archaeology of Ancient Syria, p. 106, 119).

Answer for yourself: Is this name similarity and identical events described above connected to both Thutmose III and King David just a coincidence? Well this is not enough evidence for me yet to make such a certain identity between King David and Thuthmose III so we keep studying so we can be certain. More evidence to connect the two as identical personages is easily located when one knows to look.

It is a historical fact that at the beginning of the Egyptian 17th Dynasty that much of Egypt was still being dominated by foreign rulers known as the Hyksos. The Hyksos were an important influence on Egyptian history, particularly at the beginning of the Second Intermediate Period. Most of what we know of the nature of the Hyksos depends upon written sources (of the Egyptians), such as the Rhind Papyrus. Also of considerable importance is the systematic excavation of the capital of the Hyksos, Avaris (Tell el-Dab'a). Today the term Hyksos has come to refer to the whole of these people who ruled Egypt during the Second Intermediate Period of Egypt's ancient history, and had to be driven out of the land by the last ruler of the 17th Dynasty and the earliest ruler of Egypt's New Kingdom. Through the initiative of the early Pharaohs of the 17th Dynasty, the Hyksos were attacked and eventually driven out of Egypt during the reign of Ahmose I. Ahmose and his son Amenhotep I extended their campaigns into Asia, "principally to deter any fresh incursions by roving bands into the Eastern Delta [of Egypt]" (Aldred, Akhenaten, p. 121). The Hyksos were basically a Semitic people who were able to wrestle control of Egypt from the early Second Intermediate rulers of the 13th Dynasty, inaugurating the 15th Dynasty. The basic population of Egyptians allowed, from time to time, a new influx of settlers, first from the region of Lebanon and Syria, and subsequently from Palestine and Cyprus. The leaders of these people eventually married into the local Egyptian families (like Joseph?), a theory that is somewhat supported by preliminary studies of human remains at Tell el-Dab'a.

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Oct 27, 2009
 
I'm the reincarnation of Cleopatra. Wanna screw?
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Oct 27, 2009
 
back to our study of King David.

When Amenhotep I died without a male heir, he was succeeded by the commander of the army who became Pharaoh Thutmose I. Inspired by previous successes, Thutmose I, now as Pharaoh, led his army into Canaan and Syria and crossed the Euphrates River at the Carchemish. After routing Mitanni forces, he set up a monument (stele) to his achievement on the north side of the Euphrates. The heiress daughter of Thutmose I, Hatshepsut was married to her step-brother Thutmose II who became Pharaoh. Thutmose II and Hatshepsut had no surviving sons. After the death of Thutmose II, his young son Thutmose III (by a minor concubine-wife Isis who was possibly of foreign birth) was denied the throne by Hatshepsut who had been married to Thutmose II of full Egyptian blood. Thutmose III, being the offspring of a mixed marriage, was not entitled to the throne. Hatshepsut continued to rule even after Thutmose III had clearly come of age (Diop, The African Origin of Civilization, p. 12). So we find in the final analysis that Tuthmose III, the son of a concubine, came to the throne of Egypt as the fifth ruler of the 18 Dynasty in odd circumstances. The dynasty has been founded nearly a hundred years earlier when, after just over a century rule by the invading Hyksos shepherds, the princes of Thebes united in the 16th century B.C. in a successful attempt to drive them out of Egypt, and Ahmosis was crowned as the dynasty's first ruler (1575-1550 B.C.E.). As we saw shortly before the death of Tuthmose II, Hatshepsut have birth to a daughter, Neferure. The normal method of ensuring the right of Tuthmose III (born of the concubine Isis) to inherit the throne would have been marriage to Neferure, his half-sister, who was the heiress. This marriage never took place between Tuthmose III (David) and Neferure. We only know that Hatshepsut continued to insist that Neferure was the only legal heir and her daughter was called "the Lady of the Two Lands, mistress of Upper and Lower Egypt". In these circumstances, Tuthmose II had to have his son adopted by the State god Amun in order to ensure his right to the throne which reminds us of the passage in Psalm 2 which is said of King David:

Ps 2:7 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.(KJV)

This makes all the sense since Tuthmose III was only of half royal blood and since Egypt was a matriarchal society the throne and rulership came through the wife thus the marriage of their sisters. This brings many questions to our mind at once. Thuthmose III was not recognized as King-Pharaoh during the time of the rule of Hatshepsut, the wife of Thuthmose II.

If we follow the life of King David we find the same scenario of rejection of David as we find with Tuthmose III.

Upon Saul's death, David went to Hebron where he was anointed as king of Judah, according to The Lord's instructions, at about age 30 (2 Samuel 2:1-4). A seven and a half year civil war followed between the forces that supported David, and those that did not recognize David's right to the kingship and throne who supported Ish-bosheth, Saul's only surviving son, for the kingship of all Israel. The military and political situation grew steadily in favor of David however, and when Ish-bosheth was assassinated, David was anointed king over all Israel (2 Samuel 4:1-12, 5:1-5).

Answer for yourself: Does this account above concerning Tuthmose III remind you of the account in the Old Testament when all of Israel would not accept David as their King and only David's military might finally persuaded the total nation to acknowledge him as King as did the military successes of Tuthmose III which persuaded Egypt to acknowledge him as Pharaoh?
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When the male blood line of the founding dynasty ended at the death of Amenhotep I, an even greater emphasis was thereafter placed on preservation of the female blood line which by this time had already distinguished itself and wielded considerable power. Ahhotep I had become an interim ruler upon the death of her husband Ahmose I and was immortalized for rallying Egypt's forces against the Hyksos. Her daughter Ahmose-Nefertari was given the title, High Priestess of Amun, and was the first to be designated as the "God's Wife"(Aldred, Akhenaten, p. 139-140). It is important for us to know that the royal offspring of 18th Dynasty Pharaohs were considered to have been conceived through Divine visitation of the state god Amun with the "God's Wife" (Aldred, Akhenaten, p. 139). This concept is clearly demonstrated by large murals in the mortuary temples of both Hatshepsut and Amenhotep III. Ahmose-Nefertari was, according to the famous turn of the century archeologist Flinders Petrie, "the most venerated figure of Egyptian History" (Petrie, A History of Egypt During the XVIIth and XVIIIth Dynasties, p. 41).

Upon Hatshepsut's death, the succession of Thutmose III was complicated not only by his own insufficiency of royal blood, but by the fact that Hatshepsut's daughter Neferure (and holder of the titles "Gods Wife" and virgin High Priestess of Amun) was also no longer living. He could not "marry" into the throne of Egypt as did all other male heirs. The nubile princess who could claim the strongest relation to Ahhotep I and Nefertari was found to be Merit-re, the daughter of Huy, the Superior of the Royal Harem. Thutmose III was married to Merit-ra, and in an official ceremony confirmed as Pharaoh and "adopted" as the son of Amun (Aldred, Akhenaten, p. 70, 141; and Ahmed Osman, House of the Messiah, 110-111).

Answer for yourself: Could this be reference found in Psalm 2:7 as mentioned above?

Ps 2:7 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.(KJV)

The word "begotten", "yalad" in Hebrew, carries with it the meaning of "to declare one's birth or pedigree". Having not married the daughter of a Pharaoh and not possessing a full-blood lineage it was necessary for Thutmose III to be "adopted" and in so doing inheriting the necessary pedigree from Amun as his "adopted son".

Like King David Thutmose III is remembered for his great military conquests which helped persuade others to accept his as their Pharaoh (leader). It is recorded that the God/Amun and Father of Thutmose III's spoke of him, "I grant thee by decree the earth in its length and breadth. The tribes of the East and those of the West ... that thy conquests may embrace all lands ... I ordain that all aggressors arising against thee shall fail..."(Maspero, The Struggle of the Nations, 267-268; Osman, House of the Messiah, p. 141).
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Now most are familiar with the story that shortly after David's arrival in Jerusalem, that he and the Israelites brought in the Ark of the Covenant into Jerusalem:

2 Sam 6:17 17 And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD.(KJV)

The consequence of bringing the Ark to Jerusalem is said to have made the city the holy centre for the Israelite tribes. However, there is a further element of confusion here because we are dealing not only with two Davids but with two Arks - the Ark of the Covenant, in which Moses placed the Ten Commandments, and the Ark in which Tuthmose III carried his god, Amun-Ra, into battle before him at Megiddo, as described in his annals at Karnak:

Year 23, first month of the third season, day 19- awakening in [life] in the tent of life, prosperity and health, at the town of Aruna. Proceeding northward by my majesty, carrying my father Amun-Ra, Lord of the Thrones of the Two Lands [that he might open the ways] before me." (Pritchard, Ancient Near Eastern Texts, p. 236).
We saw above the Egypt carried representations of their Gods in their "Arks" or "barques" and often carried them into battle as we find recorded about King David as well.

The idea of a holy Ark was introduced to the Israelites by Moses (Akhenaten) from Egyptian practices of worship. In his festivals and on other occasions, the Egyptian deity used to be carried by the priests in an Ark, usually in the form of a boat when the king went to live in the fortress. When the Pharaoh, Tuthmose III, went to live in the fortress of Jerusalem at the start of the protracted siege of Megiddo, the only possible location for the god Amun-Ra in his Ark was where the king was in residence which we saw was Jerusalem. In fact, we know that there were some rituals in Egyptian religion that only the king and high priests could perform before the deity (Osman, Moses: Pharaoh of Egypt).

Answer for yourself: Are these many evidences just coincidence?

-from the article ''why was the true identity of David concealed?''.

These are not my words,just found this interesting.Peace
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Oct 27, 2009
 
From the article above:

I assume that the reader of this article has previously read articles #1 and #2 in this series. If you have read article #2 dealing with the Biblical King David we saw a preponderance of evidence that teaches us that King David of the Old Testament is the historical Pharaoh Thutmose III.

Answer for yourself: If King David is to be properly identified as an adaptation of the Pharaoh Thutmose III, then should we not expect that from through his loins, one way or the other, would come one whom we know today as King Solomon? Should we expect that he should also be a Pharaoh and also be found in Egypt?

Our study will focus on the most important Pharaohs of the 18th dynasty:

Ahmose
Amenhotep I
Thutmose I
Thutmose II
Hatshepsut
Thutmose III (King David)
Amenhotep II
Thutmose IV
Amenhotep III (King Solomon)
Amenhotep IV (Akhenaten-Moses)
Neferneferuaten
Tutankhamen
Ay
Horemheb
Answer for yourself: Did you notice that out beside three names of these 18th Dynasty Pharaohs are the more familiar Biblical names of familiar Jewish heroes and Kings? What could we possibly mean by that? Have we lost our mind at Bet Emet Ministries? Are we insinuating that the real identities of these Biblical characters are possibly Egyptian Pharaohs? Yes that is exactly what we are saying and we have the evidence to prove such an identification as you will see if you continue to study.

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You should have noticed one other thing that is quite startling considering what we have been taught by the Old Testament. It must be said at the beginning that the chronology of the Bible represents Solomon as the son of King David. However when we get to Egypt we see that the Biblical chronology is questionable due to highly detailed and accurate Egyptian records and as you study you will see this for yourself. As our study progresses and the evidence mounts that the King Solomon of the Bible is in reality Amenhotep III; the great-grandson of King David (Tuthmose III). We will also begin to notice that unlike what we have led to believe; for example, that King Solomon is the son of King David, such is not the truth. We will find that King Solomon is not the son but rather the great-grandson of Tuthmose III (King David of the Bible).

Answer for yourself: So what is the truth? Well let us do our study and examine the historical evidence and and assorted historical facts we find outside the Old Testament and then you will see quite clearly which is true and let me give you a hint...it is not the Biblical account. Now on with the study. What we will find is that by marrying Tiye, the daughter of Yuya (the Biblical Joseph) and his wife who was the daughter of the priest of Heliopolis, we see that Tiye was half Hebrew. Amenhotep III, the Biblical King Solomon, by marrying Tiye thus "re-establishes the connection of the Jews with the Egyptian line when Sarah and Abraham has left Egypt and when Sarah gave birth to Isaac, the son of Tuthmose III (the Biblical King David). Tiye's father, Yuya, the Biblical Joseph, had been commander of the chariotry under Tuthmose IV (Cyril Aldred, Cyril, Akhenaten: King of Egypt, 1987). Tiye's features and dark skin as represented in artwork from the time indicate African origins and attest to the the racial color of the Egyptians whom the Biblical Joseph marries. This begins the "black skinned" Jewish race which many historians are amiss to attest. To inherit the throne, however, Amenhotep III (the Biblical Solomon) had to have a royal Egyptian wife. Thus he also marries his sister Sitamun,(thus explaining the Bible's reference to his marrying an Egyptian princess, whereas as King of Israel, it would have been impossible). By Amenhotep III, Tiye had at least six children. She had two sons (Tuthmose V and Amenhotep IV, the second of whom went on to become pharaoh and is better known today as the Biblical Moses. Let us not forget that Tiye, as seen in the above picture with her husband Amenhotep III (the Biblical Solomon) was a girl of common birth from her Hebrew father Joseph (Yuya) but yet history records here as a person of very strong character. Evident from records, she was a beautiful young Black queen. A woman of great intellect, ability, and a powerful influence. She shared the crown with her husband Amenhotep III (the Biblical Solomon) as though she had been its lineal heiress. Queen Tiye had such an important part in the affairs of Egypt, that foreign diplomats often appealed directly to her in matters affecting certain international relations. Make no mistake about it; Queen Tiye was a full-blooded African. Her son, Akhenaton (the Biblical Moses) and his wife, Nefertiti are the parents of King Tutankhamen, who is also known as "King Tut." From Akhenaton on down to the end of the 18 Dynasty we find the Hebrew Pharaohs that came from the marriage of Amenhotep III and the daughter of Joseph:

Akhenaton (the Biblical Moses)
Smenkhkare (the brother of Moses)
Tutankhamen (the son of Moses)
Ay (the Biblical Ephraim)
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continued from the above article..

Gen. 15: 18 18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:(KJV)

Answer for yourself: Could Abraham have been a Pharaoh and we not know it? Would this explain why Josephus writes that Abraham had 318 "officers" indicating an vast army of legions when the inherited Hebrew Texts given us by Ezra says "318 servants"? Did Ezra cover this up? I again refer you to article #2 to begin to see the truth about Ezra. Now let us look at more of the "same" promises in the Hebrew Texts and to "whom" they were made.

Deut 1:6-7 6 The LORD our God spake unto us in Horeb, saying, Ye have dwelt long enough in this mount: 7 Turn you, and take your journey, and go to the mount of the Amorites, and unto all the places nigh thereunto, in the plain, in the hills, and in the vale, and in the south, and by the sea side, to the land of the Canaanites, and unto Lebanon, unto the great river, the river Euphrates.(KJV)

Answer for yourself: Where did Moses get the authority to promise this land which was owned by Egypt to these "fleeing" Hebrews? Could it have been that Moses was a Pharaoh and we not know it?

Josh 1:1-4 1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying, 2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel. 3 Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you, as I said unto Moses. 4 From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast.(KJV)

Answer for yourself: Where did Joshua get the authority to promise this land which was owned by Egypt to these "fleeing" Hebrews? Could it have been that Joshua also was a Pharaoh and we not know it?

2 Sam 8:1-3 1 And after this it came to pass, that David smote the Philistines, and subdued them: and David took Metheg'ammah out of the hand of the Philistines. 2 And he smote Moab, and measured them with a line, casting them down to the ground; even with two lines measured he to put to death, and with one full line to keep alive. And so the Moabites became David's servants, and brought gifts. 3 David smote also Hadadezer, the son of Rehob, king of Zobah, as he went to recover his border at the river Euphrates.(KJV)

Answer for yourself: Where did King David get the ownership of this Egyptian land? Could King David have been a Pharaoh? Well we saw that he was in article #2. That determination is not hard for you now once reading article #2. We will deal with these other Patriarchs in future articles. Now let us get back to Solomon.
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Oct 27, 2009
 
Oh boy... here we go again.

But consider this... David was the King of Israel, was he not? If he was actually a Pharaoh, then where the hell was Israel?

Let me guess... you'll say it DIDN'T EXIST, right? LOL... just like the Jews aren't really Jews and blah blah blah...

BULL!!!
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Oct 27, 2009
 
In Kemet, the Hebrews were called the "Habiru" and it was first noticed in the Amarna Letters. It is easily seen how "habiru" evolved into "hebrew", where in the Kemetic language it would have been spelled something like Hbrw, given "w" denoted plurality in Mtw Ntr and was pronouned with the long "u" sound. The Amarna Letters were from West Asian kings (of city-states and territories) sent to Pharoahs Amenhotep III and Amenhotep IV (Akhenaten,believed to be biblical moses). These West Asian territories were under Kemetic(egyptian) rule, which included the city of Jerusalem (which was not Hebrew or Israelite at the time).

http://www.touregypt.net/amarna18.htm

The king of Jerusalem at the time was King Abdu-Kheba clearly showing his subservience to the Kemetic Pharaoh in his letter. You can find Abdu-Kheba's letter here...

http://www.touregypt.net/amarna18.htm

Pharaoh Akhenaten's 2 highest officials were Meryre II (High Priest of the Aten) and Panehesy (Chief Servitor of the Aten) at the city of Amarna in Kemet. Is it a coincidence that two of Moses' highest priests were Merari (Egyptian translation of Meryre) in Numbers 3:36 and Phinehas (which is the Egyptian equivalent of Panehesy) in Numbers 25:10-13. Both Meryre II/Merari and Panehesy/Phinehas were Levites (Exodus 6:16-25).
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Oct 27, 2009
 
Google ''why was the true identity of david in the bible concealed?''..it's not lettin me post the link.:

Answer for yourself: Are you aware that the Jewish Talmud preserves a tradition in its texts that nobody who knew Abraham believed that Isaac was his son? Are you aware that the Jewish Talmud, which is considered second in authority to the Old Testament, suggests that when Isaac was born that he did NOT look like Abraham? This is absolutely startling when you see this! The Jews have the truth of their origins but bury it out of sight so no one but the most dedicated students will ever find it.

The Talmud preserves a tradition that nobody who knew Abraham believed that Isaac was his son:

It says: "On the day that Abraham weaned his son Isaac, he made a great banquet, and all the peoples of the world derided him, saying:'Have you seen that old man and woman who brought a foundling from the street, and now claim him as their son? And what is more they make a great banquet to establish their claim.'" (The Babylonian Talmud, Isidore Epstein, London 1952; M. Gadalla, Historical Deception: The Untold Story Of Egypt, p. 144).

A verse in the Koran (The Prophets, Chapter [Sura] 21:72) says of Abraham:

We bestowed on him Isaac and, as an additional gift,(A grandson), Jacob...

Answer for yourself: Is this verse alluding to the fact that possibly Isaac is not the biological offspring of Abraham and since Jacob is the son of Isaac then neither is Jacob the biological offspring of Abraham but carries within him the blood of Pharaohs? If Jacob is the seed of Isaac and Isaac is the seed of an Egyptian Pharaoh then then lineage of Egypt runs through Isaac, Jacob, and the sons of Jacob culminating with David and Solomon, etc. Where King David and King Solomon Hebrew Pharaohs of the 18th Dynasty of Egypt?

''What I am telling you is that we have discovered a hidden bloodline connected to the throne of Egypt that will find expression through later Pharaohs of the 18th Dynasty. No wonder Moses had a Pharoanic staff in the wilderness.

We have literally two different bloodlines. We know that Ishmael carried the blood of Abraham through Hagar but we also know that through Isaac we have the bloodline that flowed originally through Tuthmose III(biblical David) and later flowed through the veins of Moses and Aaron. It was through this bloodline that we have the later "Messianic Prophecies"! They find historical fulfillment with Tuthmose III(David) and Tutankhamun. Thus if you follow the storyline then you see that the Koran is telling us that Moses and Aaron came from a different blood line than Abraham; a royal blood tied to the throne of Egypt that came through the marriage of Sarai with Pharaoh Tuthmose III(king David).

Answer for yourself: And what has this to do with the royal ancestor King David from whose House, both the Old and New Testaments assure us, the promised Messiah (Christ the Redeemer) would come? Was the historical "Messiah" a Pharaoh originally? Don't discount it outright until you study it out and compare it with the "Jesus Story" in the New Testament. Wow it just keeps getting better the more we learn!

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In piecing this puzzle together from another site:

http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.religious.j...

Indian seer tradition tells of the person called Jesus is remembered in some of these traditions as an astute businessman who offended his powerful Davidic family(Thutmoses lll)by neglecting his duties and was turned over to Roman authorities. Seer tradition is even so explicit as to say the Vatican possesses records of the historical Jesus in its archives, but they are all rather insignificant commercial accounts and they are now almost destroyed by having been attacked by a fungus.
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back to the article on how Issac was really the son of Thutmoses lll(biblical David)and not Abrahahm(according to the article)

Scholars today recognize Tuthmose III as the Biblical King David. Now I don't expect you to believe that statement but if you will read the accompany article about the identity of Tuthmose III then you will be convinced beyond any doubt that he and King David are the same person. Again we see the Biblical chronology does not match the Egyptian King list and Egyptian chronology and records that archeology has given us today but this will be a common ploy used for several reasons as we shall see as our study advances.

Answer for yourself: Where most likely would Abram and Sarai have gone to meet this Pharaoh? Well at this period in Egyptian history there was three major cities and theological centers where the Pharaoh would have possibly held court: Memphis, Heliopolis or Thebes. There were two very important Northern cities that need to be mentioned. Memphis, 12 miles south of modern Cairo, was an important trade centre, graced by the Great Temple of Ptah, patron of craftsmen and artisans. Heliopolis, known in the Bible as On, from the Greek, was the original Egyptian holy city, situated a short distance to the north of modern Cairo and was the chief centre of worship of the sun-god Ra. Both of these northern cities were used by the court to escape the worst of the blistering heat of an Egyptian summer. During the 18th Dynasty (1575-1335 BC), however, Heliopolis declined in importance as Thebes - modern Luxor, some 300 miles to the south, on the east bank of the Nile opposite the Valley of the Kings, and the main centre of worship of the state god Amun-Ra - developed as the main capital of The Two Lands of Egypt (Egypt was called "The Two Lands" as a result of the union between the red desert and the black valley of the Nile).

Wherever Abram and Sarai went, and for whatever purpose, we are simply told that Sarai was "a fair woman to look upon" and, as they approached Egypt, Abram, fearing that he might be killed if it were known that Sarai was his wife and Pharaoh took a fancy to her, said: "Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister... and my soul shall live because of thee" (12:13). This, according to the Book of Genesis, proved a wise precaution. Courtiers advised Pharaoh of the "fair woman" who had appeared in their midst and he "took her into Pharaoh's house" and the Pharaoh married Sarai.

Gen 12:15-16 15 The princes also of Pharaoh saw her, and commended her before Pharaoh: and the woman was taken into Pharaoh's house. 16 And he entreated Abram well for her sake: and he had sheep, and oxen, and he asses, and menservants, and maidservants, and she asses, and camels.(KJV)

Subsequently the Pharaoh married Sarai and Abram was rewarded generously for the hand of his "sister".

Answer for yourself: Was Abram paid a "bride price" for his sister (wife)? Yes. In the above two verses you see the "marriage" between the Pharaoh and Sarai and the "bride price" paid to whom the Pharaoh thought was her brother but in reality was her husband.
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Gen 12:18-20 18 And Pharaoh called Abram, and said, What is this that thou hast done unto me? why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife? 19 Why saidst thou, She is my sister? so I might have taken her to me to wife: now therefore behold thy wife, take her, and go thy way. 20 And Pharaoh commanded his men concerning him: and they sent him away, and his wife, and all that he had.(KJV)

Once the Pharaoh found out that the truth about Abram and Sarai, he told Abram to take his wife and leaves. Abram and Sarai were sent back to Canaan with generous gifts.

Answer for yourself: Can the behavior of Abram and Sarai in Egypt, be considered moral or ethical? Again a very important picture is being painted for us here; namely, the righteousness of the Egyptians and the Egyptian faith and religion.

Major changes began to occur to this small tribe when they returned to Canaan. The Bible tells us that the Lord made a covenant with Abram saying: "To your descendants I give this land, from the River of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates". Later, the Lord told Abram "...No longer will you be called Abram, you name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of a host of nations...Kings will come from you". The Lord continues, "As for Sarai your wife...her name will be Sarah, I shall bless her and give you a son by her...Kings of People will come from her".

Wow..What a loaded paragraph when you just think about it for a while. After the Pharaoh had "married" Sarai and became one flesh with her and after she had become is wife and "Queen" they were exiled from Egypt because of the lie of Abram but yet blessed in their going out. It is hard to think that the Pharaoh would bless a lie or a liar but he sure would bless his wife. All the more so if she were soon to be found pregnant. Look at the above statements. Promised to "Sarah" is a son who would be a "King" and not only that a "lineage of Kings" would come from her and not Abraham. Notice also that the land between the Nile and the Euphrates was promised to Sarah's "Son" and "King" and "Kings" and not to Abraham. At no time did this land belong to Jews as we will see in later studies but always was Egyptian land during the times of this Biblical King David (Tuthmose III) and Amenhotep III (the Biblical Solomon). These promises are all about Sarah and her unique relationship to the King-Pharaoh of Egypt. These promises have nothing to do with good old Abram, the liar.
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The promised son was to be Isaac

The promise that "Kings of peoples" will descend from Sarah is the first mention of any Hebrew Kings (the Hebrews lived as nomadic tribes, with a chief as the head of the tribe and not a king).
The Bible told us earlier that Sarah had been unable to conceive throughout her married life with Abram.(M. Gadalla, Historical Deception: The Untold Story Of Egypt, p. 144). But that is not all.
Answer for yourself: What else was Sarai given at this time? Pharaoh also provided Sarai with an Egyptian maid, Hagar, and, once they had returned safely to Canaan, Sarai gave birth to a son, Isaac.

Answer for yourself: Is there a connection between the birth of Isaac and the giving of the handmaid? You bet there is if you read between the lines.

The essence of the biblical account of the journey to Egypt is that Sarai, the wife of Abram, also became the wife of the ruling Pharaoh. This, in the custom of the time, would not only have involved the paying of the bride-price to Abram for the hand of his "sister", but sexual intercourse on the same night as the actual marriage ceremony.

Answer for yourself: Did Sarai get pregnant by the Pharaoh and is this the reason for the handmaid being given her to help her when she returned to Canaan?

Answer for yourself: That brings up another "big" question: Could the Pharaoh be the biological father of Isaac and not Abraham? Could this be the reason why we find Hebrew Pharaohs on the Throne of Egypt in the soon coming 18 Dynasty?

So far we have noticed a lot:

We saw Abraham passing off Sarai as his sister
We saw that Sarai was seen by the princes of the Pharaoh who commended her beauty to their King
We saw Sarai being taken into the royal palace
We saw the marriage of Sarai to the Pharaoh
We saw the Pharaoh's generous treatment of Abram (presents of sheep, oxen, etc.)
We saw the gift to Sarai of the slave and handmaid Hagar
Answer for yourself: Is this proof positive that Isaac was the child of the union of Sarai and the Pharaoh? Honestly no. It is up to now circumstantial but we are not through yet. If our point is to be proven then we should expect to find efforts on the part of the Biblical writer to put as many years as possible between the couple's return to Canaan and Isaac's birth.
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Answer for yourself: Can and do we find these "textual" efforts to conceal the possibility that Isaac could have been child of the marriage between the Pharaoh and Sarai and not the child of Abram? Yes we do.

TEXTUAL MANIPULATIONS TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT ISAAC IS THE SON OF THE PHARAOH
If our theory is true then there needs to be evidence to back it up. Let us see if we can do that. I believe that when you look at the evidence then you will agree that the Biblical narrator went to elaborate efforts to put as many years as possible between Abram's and Sarai's return to Canaan and Isaac's birth to separate any idea that he possibly could have been the son of the Pharaoh and not Abram.

There are 3 areas where we find this damning evidence that proves our point:

The Talmud
The Koran
The history of Isaac's immediate descendants
The Talmud, next to the Old Testament, is the greatest authority fro the early history of the Israelites and it is in the Talmud that we find evidence that points to the Pharaoh of Egypt being the father of Isaac and not Abram.

So far the Bible has only informed us of a "sinful" marriage between the Pharaoh and Sarai. But there is much that lays beneath this "cover story". The Biblical narrator, most likely Ezra, records for us that in the course of the years that followed, the Israelites were to return to Egypt, where they remained for four generations until the Exodus when, burdened by harsh treatment and persecution by their Egyptian taskmasters, they were led out of the country by Moses on the first stage of their journey to the Promised Land. We must stop and realize that many more centuries passed before an account of these events was put down in writing. Egypt did not chronicle this in any way and did much to erase this event from its history and this will be addressed later and the reasons why the facts of Akhenaten and the Exodus were almost totally obliterated from Egyptian history. By the times these events were recorded by the Biblical narrator Egypt and its Pharaoh had become a symbol of hatred for the Israelites. That being so the biblical narrator was therefore motivated to conceal any family connections that possibly were existence between Israel and Egypt.

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