Lupita Nyongo a real black beauty!
BMT

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#903 Feb 11, 2014
Sassykaat wrote:
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Right here liar.
Right here's where u say you hate bw.so far you've proven yourself to be both,a lying AND hateful minister.
Yepp, he is a liar, alright.
BMT

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#904 Feb 11, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
Show me one piece of evidence that North Africans were black 9,000 years ago. We have evidence that Berbers lived in North Africa 200,000 years ago. As for the Egyptians, they painted themselves as blacks, browns and yellow skin people, not blacks:
http://egyptpathfinder.files.wordpress.com/20...
http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/fil...
http://www.mitchellteachers.org/WorldHistory/...
http://web.utk.edu/~museum/permanent/egypt/im...
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/agritura/16089...
http://www.angelfire.com/ky/southernrock/Egyp...
Over 9,000 year old Tassili rock painting in north Africa depicting black Africans.
https://www.google.se/search...
You are defending berbers like your life depends on it. Did some berber screw your granny too? Do you have berber ancestry?

“No Substitute For The Truth”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#905 Feb 11, 2014
ashanti king wrote:
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Lupita is getting more play from whites, most blacks will not look at her twice.
Many Blacks have stated she is attractive. While she may be seen as attractive, she's NOT White or AA. Finding women within' ur own ethnic group unattractive isn't normal but women from another ethnic group is different. So you can't really complain if she isn't some AA Men type but she shouldn't be degraded her. Degrading a woman who doesn't degrade herself says you have little respect for women.
BMT

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#906 Feb 11, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
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Look the words "minister" and "preacher" up in the dictionary.
semantics. You lied.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#907 Feb 11, 2014
BMT wrote:
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Over 9,000 year old Tassili rock painting in north Africa depicting black Africans.
https://www.google.se/search...
You are defending berbers like your life depends on it. Did some berber screw your granny too? Do you have berber ancestry?
Whew! Idiot, I just showed you pictures with blacks in them. But in Egypt, the people painted themselves as blacks and browns and yellows the exact same thing you see on the ground today. There is no denying that. There is no way to prove a negative. In other words, you cannot prove that blacks were the only ones there. So get off it. You are wasting time. But you racist fools have never been smart or rational. You imagine a world that never existed and will never exists. There is no pure race and has never been no pure race. Forget it. Only a fool would fall for your stupid racism. I won't fall for it.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

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Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#908 Feb 11, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
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Islam is not any more guilty of slavery in Africa than is Judaism. That is a fact. Some Muslims did get involved. But Islam as a moral doctrine NEVER approved of slavery and especially not the enslavement of Muslims or even Jews or Christians. Under Islamic Law, no one who Believes in GOD can be enslaved. Furthermore, those who are in slavery must be freed.
Anybody who knows anything about Islam knows that GOD's First Command to Moses was "Go tell Pharaoh to let my people go so they may worship me" God's first Command to Muhammad was Do you not see that your king prevents the slaves from Praying to me? is that right, etc. If he does not stop doing that, I will seize him by his forlock. Etc. Do not obey him (the slave owner)(That is not an exact translation. But it is enough to prove that Islam is against slavery. Read it yourself at this link: http://quran.com/96/9-17
Whether Islam is more guilty of slave trading than others was not the issue, at least not with me. I insisted that such a trade did exist, and Muslim traders are not (from a ethical standpoint) any different than Christian slave traders.
You weren't simply claiming that Muslims were not any worse than others. You went so far as to deny that such a trade existed among Muslim Arabs.
I'm not debating the Qu'ran or the Bible or any other scripture. After all, Jesus taught folk to turn the other cheek too. But Spanish Christian preferred cracking Aztec skulls to turning the other cheek.
Scripture is not the issue, at least not for me. The issue is what people DO.
I consider a Muslim slavetrader no better and no worse than a Christian. Both are trampling on human dignity.
BMT

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#909 Feb 11, 2014
FlowFighter wrote:
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Your remarks about the crakkker/muslim presence in Africa -murdering black africans-are on /
There are no "crakkker " or arabs murdering black africans.

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Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#910 Feb 11, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
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You have to take the African Muslims into account. Nowhere on earth do Muslims stoop to the same level as non-Muslims. In the case of external beauty, Muslimahs ordinarily do not put it on public display. Even when they do so, they retain High Islamic Standards.
Miss Arab World 2009 was a personal friend. We all had our doubts about western style beauty pageants, especially in Nigeria. But Miss Arab World set up such decent standards, I have never heard not even one mumble of criticism since she was elected. Here is her picture: http://www.lovehabibi.com/blog/2010/04/04/wom... . Notice that that is not a meat sale. Everything required to be covered is covered. This indicates that she is beautiful on the outside as well as on the inside. She has standards and values. And I can attest that she is not a prostitute as far as I can tell.
The was the first pageant. And an African Muslimah was chosen. She set the standards. Since that first contest, the sisters have always covered themselves more or less properly. There are no swimsuits in public. Here are some other examples:
http://sabbah.biz/mt/wp-content/uploads/2007/...
http://sabbah.biz/mt/wp-content/uploads/2007/...
http://sabbah.biz/mt/wp-content/uploads/2007/...
http://sabbah.biz/mt/wp-content/uploads/2007/...
http://248am.com/mark/kuwait/miss-kuwait/
So, you can see that it is not necessary to judge yourself by the white man's standards.
A Woman can be sophisticated without being wrapped up like a Mummy.
BMT

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#911 Feb 11, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
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Whew! Idiot, I just showed you pictures with blacks in them. But in Egypt, the people painted themselves as blacks and browns and yellows the exact same thing you see on the ground today. There is no denying that. There is no way to prove a negative. In other words, you cannot prove that blacks were the only ones there. So get off it. You are wasting time. But you racist fools have never been smart or rational. You imagine a world that never existed and will never exists. There is no pure race and has never been no pure race. Forget it. Only a fool would fall for your stupid racism. I won't fall for it.
Idiot, you said the region between Mali, senegal and Mauritania where Ghana Empire was located was berber territory. Am saying that was black country right up to the middle of Algeria, Libya and morocco. Egypt very recent. it is people from the sahara that populated Egypt and found the egyptian civ.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#912 Feb 11, 2014
Wow! Whoopi! Now I get to talk a nutcase straight up.
Savant wrote:
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Whether Islam is more guilty of slave trading than others was not the issue, at least not with me. I insisted that such a trade did exist, and Muslim traders are not (from a ethical standpoint) any different than Christian slave traders.
You are confusing "Muslim" traders with Islamic slave trade. There was NEVER an Islamic Slave Trade because Islam is against slavery. To say so would be illogical.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>You weren't simply claiming that Muslims were not any worse than others.
My claim is that Islam does not condone slavery. And the best way to show this is as follows. The Swahilis were major slave traders. This the Swahili coast is know in history for slave trading. However, Somalia is 100% Muslim. The Somalis are not known as slave traders. From the Somali coast all the way to Egypt there is no significant slave trading activity. A few slaves lived there no doubt. But that would be like having a slave live in New York. Slavery was against the law in New York. But a few slaves did live there or travel there.

The Zanzibaris and Swahilis had some Muslims. But they were never 100% Muslim as in Somalia. Thus, they did a lot of slave trading. The Somalis did very little almost no slave trading. I doubt that you can prove any slave trading activity in Somalia. Until you can prove it, get lost.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>You went so far as to deny that such a trade existed among Muslim Arabs.
That is basically true. When it did exist it did not include Muslims enslaving other Muslims. But there were instances in which some Muslims did indeed do that. Nevertheless, the general rule is that that did not happen. Muslims waged Jihad against slave trading.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not debating the Qu'ran or the Bible or any other scripture.
What are you debating, fool? define it and ask the questions.

Savant wrote:
<quoted text>After all, Jesus taught folk to turn the other cheek too. But Spanish Christian preferred cracking Aztec skulls to turning the other cheek.
So what? That has nothing to do with Islam.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Scripture is not the issue, at least not for me. The issue is what people DO.
I consider a Muslim slavetrader no better and no worse than a Christian. Both are trampling on human dignity.
So what? That is not the issue. Islam does not allow slave trading. Even when the slave is a non-Believer, slavery is fundamentally in conflict with Islam. In Christianity, however, preachers preached to support slavery. That never happened in Islam and for good reasons.

First there was never a plantation economy demanding a huge supply of slave labor. A lot iof research could be done on this issue. But the facts are clear enough. With the except of the Zanzibar plantations, there were no plantation system anywhere in the Muslim world or in Asia for that matter.

There is an idiot floating around somewhere in this forum talking about how the Chinese enslaved Africans. But in China, slavery was never more than 1% of the population. And the vast majority of the slaves were Chinese convicts. There were two kinds of blacks in China: one from Africa and the other from Polynesia. The only significant work African slaves did was to open and close the gates to family compounds. They were gatekeepers and a prestige symbol due to their black complexion. They never impacted the Chines economy at all.

Likewise, slavery never impacted the economy in the Muslim world. NOWHERE. Call it trans-Sahara or whatever. It was never significant simply because the economy was never based on slavery as it is in the USA. There were no jungles that had to be cut down to clear for farming. None of that. Dang. This is not rocket science. Any fool can figure this out when he is not high on dope.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#913 Feb 11, 2014
Redefined wrote:
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A Woman can be sophisticated without being wrapped up like a Mummy.
This is about modesty and self-respect, not "sophisticated". I did not write the rules. The Rules are in The Quran and Sunnah.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#915 Feb 11, 2014
BMT wrote:
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Idiot, you said the region between Mali, senegal and Mauritania where Ghana Empire was located was berber territory. Am saying that was black country right up to the middle of Algeria, Libya and morocco. Egypt very recent. it is people from the sahara that populated Egypt and found the egyptian civ.
I said the Berbers started the Ghana Empire. I said the boundaries and frontiers were not as clearly defined as they are in the modern world. I said the Berbers were Nomads who moved from place to place. I said the Berbers intermarried with the blacks and after a couple of generations nobody could tell that they had not been non-blacks at one time.

I did not say that present day is coterminous with ancient Ghana. However, it is clear enough that that the two are closely related culturally. Nkrumah did not just pull the name out of thin air. he chose it for good reasons. Keep in mind also that the Union of African States consisted of Ghana, Guinea and Mali. Also, the Casablanca Group of Africa states included Morocco. Thus, the Moors, the Berbers and the Africans all share in the aspiration to Unify Africa. We are all brothers and sisters as far as I am concerned as an Nkrumahist Pan-Africanist.

Your stupid racism may have a place on a Mississippi plantation. But it has no place in Africa. Deal with it.

“No Substitute For The Truth”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#916 Feb 11, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
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This is about modesty and self-respect, not "sophisticated". I did not write the rules. The Rules are in The Quran and Sunnah.
All I'm saying is woman doesn't need to dress like a Muslim too give off the impression of modesty and self-respect.
http://img1.etsystatic.com/015/0/7702801/il_5...

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Since: Jan 14

IS A WHITE WOMAN!!!

#917 Feb 11, 2014
BMT wrote:
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Yepp, he is a liar, alright.
heck yea hes a liar! Then hes trying to totally deny EVERYTHING he posted.

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Since: Jan 14

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#918 Feb 11, 2014
BMT wrote:
<quoted text>
semantics. You lied.
he lied.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#919 Feb 11, 2014
Savant wrote:
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Whether Islam is more guilty of slave trading than others was not the issue, at least not with me. I insisted that such a trade did exist, and Muslim traders are not (from a ethical standpoint) any different than Christian slave traders.
You weren't simply claiming that Muslims were not any worse than others. You went so far as to deny that such a trade existed among Muslim Arabs.
I'm not debating the Qu'ran or the Bible or any other scripture. After all, Jesus taught folk to turn the other cheek too. But Spanish Christian preferred cracking Aztec skulls to turning the other cheek.
Scripture is not the issue, at least not for me. The issue is what people DO.
I consider a Muslim slavetrader no better and no worse than a Christian. Both are trampling on human dignity.
The following will help to put the issue into proper context:
Slavery in Islam
The Quran
O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come to know one another. Truly, the most honored of you in God's sight is the greatest of you in piety. God is All-Knowing, All-Aware.-- 49:13
Prophet Muhammad, 570--632 AD
... yield obedience to my successor, although he may be an Abyssinian slave.
He will not enter paradise who behaveth ill to his slaves. The companions said, "O Apostle of God! Have you not told us, that there will be a great many slaves and orphans amongst your disciples?" He said, "Yes; then be kind to them as your own children, and give them to eat of what you eat yourselves. The slaves that say their prayers are your brothers."
[The first call to prayer at the Quba mosque built by Prophet Muhammad was given in 622 by Bilal -- a black slave freed by the Prophet. The Supreme Court of the United States declared in 1857 that the slave Dred Scott could not sue for his freedom because he was not a person, but property.]
Annemarie Schimmel, Islam: An Introduction
Slavery was not abolished by the Koran, but believers are constantly admonished to treat their slaves well. In case of illness a slave has to be looked after and well cared for. To manumit [free] a slave is higly meritorious; the slave can ransom himself by paying some of the money he has earned while conducting his own business. Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war can become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim; therefore slavery is theoretically doomed to disappear with the expansion of Islam. The entire history of Islam proves that slaves could occupy any office, and many former military slaves, usually recruited from among the Central Asian Turks, became military leaders and often even rulers as in eastern Iran, India (the Slave Dynasty of Delhi), and medieval Egypt (the Mamluks). Eunuchs too served in important capacities, not only as the guardians of the women's quarters, but also in high administrative and military positions.-- p. 67
Roger Du Pasquier, Unveiling Islam
To answer this question, it should first be remarked that Islam has tolerated slavery but has never approved of it, and that all its teachings and prescriptions in this regard lead to its alleviation as far as possible in the short term, and, in the longer term, conduce to its progressive suppression. To abolish it would have been impossible in a world in which it was generally practiced by all the states which bordered on the new Muslim empire, and in which the idea of challenging the principle itself had not occurred to anyone. It was the custom to enslave prisoners of war -- when these were not simply massacred -- and the Islamic state would have put itself at a grave disadvantage vis-a-vis its enemies had it not reciprocated to some extent. By guaranteeing them humane treatment, and various possibilities of subsequently releasing themselves, it ensured that a good number of combatants in the opposing armies preferred captivity at the hands of Muslims to death on the field of battle.

Continued below...

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Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#920 Feb 11, 2014
Continued from above...

It should be very clearly underlined that the slavery once practiced in the Muslim world cannot be compared to the form it had assumed -- for instance -- in the Roman Empire. Islamic legislation subjected slaveowners to a set of precise obligations, first among which was the slave's right to life, for, according to a hadith,'Whoever kills his slave shall be killed by us'. In consequence, the murder of a slave was punished like that of a free man.

There are many other hadiths which define Islam's true attitude in this regard. The Prophet said:'Your slaves are your brethren; therefore whoever has a brother who depends upon him must feed and clothe him in the way he feeds and clothes himself; and should not impose upon him tasks which exceed his capacity; should you ask them to do such things, then you are obliged to help them.' The Sharia takes this injunction, among many others, into account when defining the responsibilities and duties of slaveholders.

There is another teaching which enjoins respect for the human dignity of slaves:'Let none of you say, "This man, or this woman, is my slave". He must rather say: "This is my man, and this my woman."' Putting into relief the provisional character of social ties and the authority exercised by slaveowners over their slaves, the Prophet said:'It is true that God has made you their masters, but, had He so wished, He could equally well have made you their slaves.'

To manumit a slave has always been regarded as one of the most meritorious of all acts, and many passages of the Qur'an recommend or even require it, particularly as a means of expiation for serious faults. Traditional legislation lays down the methods of voluntary liberation of slaves by their masters (itq), and there were very many Muslims who observed these, especially at the end of their lives, so as not to die and appear before God without having given full freedom to the human beings placed in their power during their earthly lives.

Additionally, slaves had the ability to enfranchise themselves at their own initiative, without waiting passively for the goodwill of their masters: the procedure known as mukataba allowed them to buy their own freedom with sums which they saved from their work, and which the state frequently augmented with advances -- a measure which the slaveowner had no right to oppose. In contrast to the situation under Roman law, slaves were not deprived of the legal ability to exercise their rights and to appeal to a judge against their masters in all cases of illegal treatment.

Besides domestic slavery, which was generally imbued with a patriarchal character, there also existed a form of military slavery, which was frequently employed by princes in need of recruits, especially for their personal guards. This situation had the effect of conferring an often considerable influence and power on men of servile condition or origin, and some of these became the founders of great and illustrious dynasties such as the Tulunids and Mamlukes of Egypt.

The object of a prosperous commercial sector, which under the Abbasid Empire was often the speciality of non-Muslims, particularly Byzantine and Venetian Christians, and Jews, slavery gradually declined in importance until, at the beginning of the present century, it was confined to a few survivals which have now disappeared entirely. Thanks to the strict traditional controls which have always regulated the practice, it would be difficult to deny that social conditions were remarkably humane during the great periods of Muslim civilization, and that these, moreover, were in conformity with the 'egalitarian' spirit of Islam, which, in a hadith, teaches that 'the blackest of Abyssinians' is superior to most noble of Quraishites, if he has more faith.-- p. 104 - 107 ( http://www.twf.org/Library/Slavery.html )

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Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#921 Feb 11, 2014
Redefined wrote:
<quoted text>
All I'm saying is woman doesn't need to dress like a Muslim too give off the impression of modesty and self-respect.
http://img1.etsystatic.com/015/0/7702801/il_5...
I have nothing to do with that one way or the other. The Muslim women make those decisions. And they do not impose the decisions on non-Muslims. So it is none of your business whatsoever at all.

Level 8

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#922 Feb 11, 2014
Sassykaat wrote:
<quoted text> he lied.
You have nothing better to do with your time than this? How sad....!

I do not like the way some African scumbags like you try to isolate us from the African Nation. When you call yourself "AA" or "BA" or negro or colored Americans, I do not like you. That is stupidity and I do not like stupidity. I am a Pan-Africanist and I believe that we in the USA must link ourselves to our brothers and sisters in Africa, Asia and Latin America in order to solve any of our problems as a community. When you try to divide and conquer us, I do not like you.

Duh. You lying POS.

“No Substitute For The Truth”

Level 8

Since: Jan 10

United States

#923 Feb 11, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
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I have nothing to do with that one way or the other. The Muslim women make those decisions. And they do not impose the decisions on non-Muslims. So it is none of your business whatsoever at all.
But you made it my business when you brought Muslim women up because I NEVER mentioned them in this thread. You in here bragging about how wonderful Islam is and their dress-code.

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