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Sinajuavi
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#3275 Jul 26, 2013
dcool wrote:
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Le monde entier est beau connard ,et les ZioNazis comme toi enlaidissent la terre d'Allah ,the hell with you all .
Aucune terre est d'Allah, soyant votre “dieu” un masque de Satan.

Vous êtes le nazi, boy. Un sioniste est un héro national, un liberateur.

Vous qui vous mettez encontre d'Israêl vont a l'enfer, boy.

The sooner the better.

Sinajuavi
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#3276 Jul 26, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Certitude mathematique? LOL! Vous etes Cartesien.
L'esprit de Descartes still reigns in the land of the Gauls.
C'est l'esprit d'Hitler.

Ses croyances incluent que les juifs ne sont pas une étnie, qu'ils ne sont pas victimes de génocide donc, qu'ils n'ont aucun droit à son propre pays, etc.

Descartes à peines.

Sinajuavi
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#3277 Jul 26, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Je ne sais pas. I'm not sure what are the progressive options for Algeria now. Again, I think that the present crisis could have been avoided by a more democratic national reconstruction led by a more protressive FLN. Of course, a progressive Slgerian leadership with a progressive democratic government, or at least reform government (it might have taken some extra time to completely democraztize Algeria after that terrible war) would then have had to face possible suversion as did Mossadegh, Lumumba or Allende.
But if a progressive process of national reconstruction coudl have been sustained, militant Islam woudl be less of a problem. Indeed, it was less of a problem during the war of national liberaiton, and ffor some time after independence. But sooner or later, a country that doesn't move forward will slide backward. Militant Islamicism may be one of the main forms of that backward sliding in predominantly Muslim counries. In other countries it may take other forms.
In other words: Thanks to the Islamicists, there is not hope for Algeria. The govt could correct its mistakes, except that now even a democratic election is impossible due to the jihadis.

This is far worse than what France did! I mean... France LEFT. The jihadis will not.

Country after country is endangered by this madness. Check out what the Muz are doing in Kosovo... a country Clinton handed to them on a platter, rightfully Serbian territory. Good luck there today if you're a Serb or Roma.

DEATH to ISLAM!!!

Level 8

Since: Oct 09

Paris France

#3278 Jul 26, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Je ne sais pas. I'm not sure what are the progressive options for Algeria now. Again, I think that the present crisis could have been avoided by a more democratic national reconstruction led by a more protressive FLN. Of course, a progressive Slgerian leadership with a progressive democratic government, or at least reform government (it might have taken some extra time to completely democraztize Algeria after that terrible war) would then have had to face possible suversion as did Mossadegh, Lumumba or Allende.
But if a progressive process of national reconstruction coudl have been sustained, militant Islam woudl be less of a problem. Indeed, it was less of a problem during the war of national liberaiton, and ffor some time after independence. But sooner or later, a country that doesn't move forward will slide backward. Militant Islamicism may be one of the main forms of that backward sliding in predominantly Muslim counries. In other countries it may take other forms.
L'Algérie est une dictature militaire derrière la façade d'un président civil,âgé et dit-on moribond.
Ce pays a été détruit depuis le régime Boumedienne et ceci a été aggravé par la guerre civile entre l'armée et les islamistes des années 1990.
C'est aujourd'hui le pays le plus pauvre et arriéré des 3 pays du Maghreb : les jeunes Algériens ne rêvent que de partir aux USA et en Europe dès que possible. C'est très triste car il y a un gros potentiel économique.

La Tunisie vit des heures difficiles et on peut espérer que les islamistes d'Ennahda seront battus ou changeront sérieusement : le meurtre d'un député de gauche récemment est inquiétant.

Enfin le Maroc réussit pour le moment, avec un Premier ministre islamiste pourtant mais sous le contrôle discret du roi,à s'en tirer assez bien : la misère a beaucoup diminué, le pays est en croissance économique forte, il y a un boom de la construction de logements de qualité, les autoroutes, un projet de TGV ... ; il reste les réseaux féodaux et la corruption endémique qui peut susciter du mécontentement mais les échecs actuels de la Libye, de l'Égypte et de la Tunisie sont étudiés par les Marocains ... qui sont tout sauf idiots et savent où est leur intérêt.
Clairement le Maroc regarde vers l'Europe et il devrait avoir un statut d'associé comparable à la Turquie.

a whiteboi

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#3279 Jul 26, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
In other words: Thanks to the Islamicists, there is not hope for Algeria. The govt could correct its mistakes, except that now even a democratic election is impossible due to the jihadis.
This is far worse than what France did! I mean... France LEFT. The jihadis will not.
Country after country is endangered by this madness. Check out what the Muz are doing in Kosovo... a country Clinton handed to them on a platter, rightfully Serbian territory. Good luck there today if you're a Serb or Roma.
DEATH to ISLAM!!!
France etait un pouvoir etrangere en Algerie. The French COULD leave, though it took a bloody nationalist insurrection to convince them.
The jihadists Algerian are native to Algeria. And though thye no more represent all Algerians or all Muslims any more than the National Front represents all of France, they are NATIVE.
Algeria will have to somehow find a path forward excluding both the secular military dictatorship and jihadist zealotry.
Probably most Algerians would love to be rid of both. But whence comes the alternative?

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

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Baltimore, Md.

#3280 Jul 26, 2013
attai1 wrote:
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L'Algérie est une dictature militaire derrière la façade d'un président civil,âgé et dit-on moribond.
Ce pays a été détruit depuis le régime Boumedienne et ceci a été aggravé par la guerre civile entre l'armée et les islamistes des années 1990.
C'est aujourd'hui le pays le plus pauvre et arriéré des 3 pays du Maghreb : les jeunes Algériens ne rêvent que de partir aux USA et en Europe dès que possible. C'est très triste car il y a un gros potentiel économique.
La Tunisie vit des heures difficiles et on peut espérer que les islamistes d'Ennahda seront battus ou changeront sérieusement : le meurtre d'un député de gauche récemment est inquiétant.
Enfin le Maroc réussit pour le moment, avec un Premier ministre islamiste pourtant mais sous le contrôle discret du roi,à s'en tirer assez bien : la misère a beaucoup diminué, le pays est en croissance économique forte, il y a un boom de la construction de logements de qualité, les autoroutes, un projet de TGV ... ; il reste les réseaux féodaux et la corruption endémique qui peut susciter du mécontentement mais les échecs actuels de la Libye, de l'Égypte et de la Tunisie sont étudiés par les Marocains ... qui sont tout sauf idiots et savent où est leur intérêt.
Clairement le Maroc regarde vers l'Europe et il devrait avoir un statut d'associé comparable à la Turquie.
a whiteboi
Quel autre chemins sont possible pour le peuple Algerienne? Part of what I had in mind when I sugested that the secular nationalists (at least right wingers among them) created the conditions for the emeergence of jihadism etait precisement le dictature militaire qui commence avec Boudmedienne. Fanon warbed about people like him; and he also suggested that if new nations didn't adopt a progressive democratic paths ethnic and religious hostilities and violence might break out in parts of Africa.
Fanon ont a raison.

Sinajuavi
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#3281 Jul 26, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>France etait un pouvoir etrangere en Algerie. The French COULD leave, though it took a bloody nationalist insurrection to convince them.
The jihadists Algerian are native to Algeria. And though thye no more represent all Algerians or all Muslims any more than the National Front represents all of France, they are NATIVE.
Algeria will have to somehow find a path forward excluding both the secular military dictatorship and jihadist zealotry.
Probably most Algerians would love to be rid of both. But whence comes the alternative?
I'll bet the jihadis in Algeria are Arabs. As opposed to Berbers.

They are in fact foreign occupiers. It's just that it hasn't been possible to throw them out for over a millenium.

It is often they pushing the fundamentalism, though in the case of almoravides it was mostly Fulani, Soninke, etc., black W Africans.

The Arab elite imposes upon Magrhebian countries not only an enforced Arabism but also of course Islam in ever more restrictive forms. They not only motivated the riots which stole all Jewish property and then forced the emigration of the Jewish population to Israel (where they were integrated into the population, unlike the “Palestinian”“refugees” created by Arab military action and then kept in camps by the Arabs), but also have subsequently prevented relations between the Berbers and the Jews of Israel. There are Berber organizations proclaiming friendship with Israel, who come under constant threat from Maghrebian Arabs.

Berber nationalist saying: Nobody wants to hurt the Arabs in the Maghreb. They arrived on camels; they can leave on Boeings.

“May Allah Guide Mankind”

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Since: Mar 09

Jihad An-Nafs

#3282 Jul 26, 2013
attai1 wrote:
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Non pourquoi ?
On dit plutôt "athée".
Mais non pas du tout.
a whiteboi
Parce que le sens de "kaffir", tel qu'expliqué par les grands savants de l'islam, est un individu qui rejette Dieu ou bien quelqu'un qui connaît la vérité et s'en détourne.
Tu as dit "même les kaffir comme moi"

A moins qu'on ne t'ait dit que le terme kaffir désigne tout non musulman, ce qui est bien évidemment une traduction erronée.

D'où ma question, es-tu athéiste? Excuse-moi athée lol et oui je sais qu'on dit athéé

Je viens de tomber sur cette vidéo



http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“May Allah Guide Mankind”

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#3283 Jul 26, 2013
Savant wrote:
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J'ai fait un erreur de croyant que Attai etait atheiste au moins seculaire. Probablement parce que la majoritie des intellectuels qui j'ai rencontre etait tres seculaire. That shows the risk involved in being to quick to presume.
J'imagine il est chretian, plus ou moins.
It wasn't a presumption but Attai said he rejects God or disbelieves in god and/or a higher being or knows the truth but denies it (meme les kaffir comme moi)

What I understand from his response is that he simply meant "even non Muslims like myself". Non Muslims are not necessarily kaffirs.

Arabic religious terminology is widely misunderstood and misapplied. This notion is not supported by islamic theology.

Voila quoi lol, it had nothing to do with his intellectual qualities.

As a side not, I was actually just giving him a hard time in a very friendly sort of way
QueenBijoux

United States

#3284 Jul 26, 2013
KemiSeba wrote:
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It wasn't a presumption but Attai said he rejects God or disbelieves in god and/or a higher being or knows the truth but denies it (meme les kaffir comme moi)
What I understand from his response is that he simply meant "even non Muslims like myself". Non Muslims are not necessarily kaffirs.
Arabic religious terminology is widely misunderstood and misapplied. This notion is not supported by islamic theology.
Voila quoi lol, it had nothing to do with his intellectual qualities.
As a side not, I was actually just giving him a hard time in a very friendly sort of way
Salaam Alaikum De kemi :)

“May Allah Guide Mankind”

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Jihad An-Nafs

#3285 Jul 26, 2013
a little info on the term

The word kafir has never been used in the Quran to mean either an unbeliever or an infidel. In fact, this term was applied solely to contemporaries of the Prophet, in particular, to people from the tribe of the Quraysh. The Prophet peacefully conveyed to them the divine message over a long period of time, but they refused to accept the truth of his words. God, therefore, declared those people, the contemporaries of the Prophet as Kafirs. The use of the word kafir for anyone other than the contemporaries of the Prophet is not, therefore, permissible.

The most important thing to be grasped on this subject is that the word kafir denotes an individual rather than a certain race or community. It is in no way a group appellation. However, the generally held view is that those who are not Muslims are kafirs. This is an entirely baseless supposition. The word kafir is not synonymous with non-Muslim. According to Islam, the truth is that those who are not Muslims are simply human beings (insaan). We must look at them from that angle, rather than classify them as kafirs. The right way, according to Islam, is to call each community or group by the name it has adopted for itself. For instance, America will be called America rather than the country of the kafirs and so on.

http://www.cpsglobal.org/content/islam-does-n...

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Jihad An-Nafs

#3286 Jul 26, 2013
QueenBijoux wrote:
<quoted text> Salaam Alaikum De kemi :)
Wa alaykum assalam ma soeur guineenne tell me why haven't you answered any of my private messages?

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#3287 Jul 26, 2013
QueenBijoux wrote:
<quoted text> Salaam Alaikum De kemi :)
Je t'ai envoyé plus de 6 messages privés euh lol, tu es plus occupée que la 1ère dame lol

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#3288 Jul 26, 2013
QueenBijoux wrote:
<quoted text> Salaam Alaikum De kemi :)
Quit playing games with my heart lol (backstreet boys) lol, you're playing with my emotions, gurrrrrrrrrrrrl don't you know this is ramadan you should be ashamed lol
QueenBijoux

Cleveland, OH

#3290 Jul 26, 2013
KemiSeba wrote:
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Quit playing games with my heart lol (backstreet boys) lol, you're playing with my emotions, gurrrrrrrrrrrrl don't you know this is ramadan you should be ashamed lol
O My Muslim French speaking Afro-American king lol I see your still charming Mdr
QueenBijoux

Cleveland, OH

#3291 Jul 26, 2013
KemiSeba wrote:
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Je t'ai envoyé plus de 6 messages privés euh lol, tu es plus occupée que la 1ère dame lol
I had no idea,you were still on here so I didnt bother to check. I also dont know my topix password lol my account is registered on my laptop which is down for now. I cant wait to read those messages(classic De kemi lol)

Sinajuavi
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Since: Nov 11

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#3292 Jul 26, 2013
KemiSeba wrote:
a little info on the term
The word kafir has never been used in the Quran to mean either an unbeliever or an infidel. In fact, this term was applied solely to contemporaries of the Prophet, in particular, to people from the tribe of the Quraysh. The Prophet peacefully conveyed to them the divine message over a long period of time, but they refused to accept the truth of his words. God, therefore, declared those people, the contemporaries of the Prophet as Kafirs. The use of the word kafir for anyone other than the contemporaries of the Prophet is not, therefore, permissible.
The most important thing to be grasped on this subject is that the word kafir denotes an individual rather than a certain race or community. It is in no way a group appellation. However, the generally held view is that those who are not Muslims are kafirs. This is an entirely baseless supposition. The word kafir is not synonymous with non-Muslim. According to Islam, the truth is that those who are not Muslims are simply human beings (insaan). We must look at them from that angle, rather than classify them as kafirs. The right way, according to Islam, is to call each community or group by the name it has adopted for itself. For instance, America will be called America rather than the country of the kafirs and so on.
http://www.cpsglobal.org/content/islam-does-n...
This is typical Muz taqiyya. Everything they do is so innocent, with no compulsion, no atrocity, no slavery, LOL!!!... yeah right.

In fact Muz regularly call KAFFIR to infidels. If it means those who've heard the “truth”(the lies of Islam) and rejected it.

And what they want to make of us kaffirs is dhimmis! Anyone attempting to put me in that status is under a death sentence.

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#3293 Jul 26, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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This is typical Muz taqiyya. Everything they do is so innocent, with no compulsion, no atrocity, no slavery, LOL!!!... yeah right.
In fact Muz regularly call KAFFIR to infidels. If it means those who've heard the “truth”(the lies of Islam) and rejected it.
And what they want to make of us kaffirs is dhimmis! Anyone attempting to put me in that status is under a death sentence.
That's one of the meanings as I already explained. But the notion that all non Muslims are kaffirs is not supported by any Qur'anic verse

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#3294 Jul 26, 2013
QueenBijoux wrote:
<quoted text> I had no idea,you were still on here so I didnt bother to check. I also dont know my topix password lol my account is registered on my laptop which is down for now. I cant wait to read those messages(classic De kemi lol)
Hi I met a guineen at the mosque, he lives here and is married to an American sis. Listen, I want to talk to you, how can I reach you? Can you call me?

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#3295 Jul 26, 2013
ma reine guineenne, je vais a la mosquee, je serai de retour vers 11 heures

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