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Dieudonné said "Dieudonné:"il faut être Juif pour avoir la liberté d'expression en France"
You have to be Jewish to have freedom of expression in France lol
well now it's night night time, good night everyone
Sir,

c'est peut-être un peu extrême, Dieudonné- un humoriste Noir boycotté par les entertainers - exagère parfois pour les besoins de son spectacle, mais c'est vrai qu'il y a en France, des citoyens "plus égaux" que les autres.

Il est aussi clair que le judaïsme bénéficie d'un régime de faveur y compris par rapport au catholicisme, pas que vis-à-vis de l'islam dans les media.
La dérision et la critique sont toujours destinées aux autres religions, jamais à celle-ci qui, pourtant, pourrait fournir pas mal de sujets à des humoristes au minimum.

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le thread devient comique lol. Yop, what is your precise ethnic origin?
Excellente question sir.

yop ou joe cassano ou divers autres monikers pose pour un Noir français ou francophone qui serait adhérent des thèses du ... Tea-party américain. Ou bien un sarkozyste type Hortefeux.

Tout est toujours possible mais il faut quand même dire que les Noirs francophones qui sont xénophobes et anti-fonctionnaires comme Sarkozy, qui peuvent discourir comme un bon redneck texan à un meeting du KKK, cela ne court pas les rues en France.
Pour l'instant, je dois dire que je n'en ai JAMAIS rencontré un seul.

Heureusement d'ailleurs car les propos de "yop" sont à la fois déplaisants et incohérents, sans parler même des remarques graveleuses.

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Mar 5, 2013
 
attai1 wrote:
A titre d'information, Jake Lamar est un auteur afro-américain qui s'est installé... en France depuis 1993.

Voici son site officiel :

http://www.jakelamar.com/index_fr.html

Il écrit maintenant autant en français qu'en anglais. Mais il ne s'agit pas de politique ni d'économie ; Lamar revisite sous diverses formes les rapports culturels/existentiels entre Afro-Américains et Français.

Pour S. Hessel, oui il est né allemand et a acquis la nationalité française en 1939.

Le livre est paru en allemand sous ce titre en 2012 :
« An die Empörten dieser Erde. Vom Protest zum Handeln »(Aufbau).(de la protestation à l'action)

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Do NOT click on links on this site. Identity thieves path to your identity. Even iF you are not part of it & just engaging in civil discussion you are STILL helping them leading people to their trap. Their are more identity thieves on this site than there are people on this site to just converse.
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#3024
Mar 5, 2013
 
KemiSeba wrote:
le thread devient comique lol. Yop, what is your precise ethnic origin?
Pour faire jouir attai,disons que je suis un petit blanc sarkosiste du 16eme arrondissement de paris et que je m apl hubert valery patrick stanislas...parce que vois-tu,selon lui,a partir du moment ou tu as une vision claire et intelligente de la societe dans laquelle tu vis,tu ne peux pas etre noir.that s why i call him a "subdued racist".

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Mar 5, 2013
 
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Attai t'as sucé bien, boy?
Barros. isn't this more like the kind of post one might expect from OhReally? The kind of post also directed against you by reationaries in an anti-Barros thread, and in a thread which you started regarding genocide in Central America?

Quand nous n'avon pas d'accord let's still maintain the INTEGRITY of the debate.

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Mar 5, 2013
 
CyberSoulSista wrote:
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Do NOT click on links on this site. Identity thieves path to your identity. Even iF you are not part of it & just engaging in civil discussion you are STILL helping them leading people to their trap. Their are more identity thieves on this site than there are people on this site to just converse.
Jake Lamar is listed in Amazon.com . So, there's should be no problem in finding info on him.

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Mar 5, 2013
 
yop wrote:
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avec un peu de vaseline
I'm going to say this once only. I didn't start this thread in order for morons to make pornographics posts. If you cannot maintain a certain level of intelligence in your posts than you're free to go elsewhere.

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Mar 5, 2013
 
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yes i am french and i can claim that france was more a collaborator country (petain government not to mention it) than a resistant country. And i do not care about hessel just one bit..
.i have other stuff to do in my life than reading jerks coming from a white politician who used to live thanks to people like me who pay lots of taxes(taxes rate in france is excessively high) to feed those state employees like him or like attai. Those jerks in this book wont help me to solve my daily problems,nor will it help to solve black people issues in africa.
And where do you think money to finance those state employees who write lovely books or who spend days posting on topix come from?eh?it comes from people like me,from the french "basis workers" who have to pay excessive taxes for an increasing number of state employees who are the main reason of the social dept in france. So attai should just be quiet in front of me.
First of all, Attai doesn't need to be quiet in your presence nor you in his. This is supposed to be a FORUM, a public place for the REASONED discussion and debate of ideas and issues. If you can't handle that then you may depart, and leave this thread to more mature posters.
In case you hadn't heard France was OCCUPIED by Nazi Germany. The Petainist regime was really a puppet of the Nazis, which means that even "unoccupied France" was really occupied.
Now there's probably no such thing as a "collaborationist" country. In France, Poland, the Netherlands and all other occupied countries there were collaborators, fence sitters and RESISTERS.
Stephance Hessel was a member of the RESISTANCE. If that and everything else I've told you about him, you claim that he is a jerk, then that indicates to me that your are a Neanderthal reactionary. At any tate, you've got no business trying to judge a book that you haven't read.
Also, I find very suspicious your rant against public employees, who are after all WORKING PEOPLE (like employees in general).
It is rhetoric characteristic of the hard right to lambsst public employees, but not the 1%, the corporate pirates who are really FLEECING the society and the world---including Africa which you pretend to be so concerned about.
Monsieur Hessel has at least the good sense to focus his critique not on employees, not on immigrants, not on people of a different race or color or religion, but on the PLUTOCRACY.
You need to read Hessel, and also more politically engaged Black authors, to illuminate your benighted consciousness
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Mar 5, 2013
 
It s a french thread and i am french. So this thread fits me to a tee.
Sometimes i wonder why you chose "savant" as name:savant means scholar in french...and you re not scholar.

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Mar 5, 2013
 
KemiSeba wrote:
France sucks balls in terms of freedom of speech. I understand that freedom of speech doesn't give you the "freedom" to say whatever you want as evidenced by the existence of other laws which restrict it in the name of certain rights...
However, in France they have a very clear policy: say whatever you want about North Africans, Africans, Caribbeans, Islam etc, but say one negative thing about Israel and your life is over.
Because if you criticize Israel, they'll accuse you of hiding your antisemitism behind your harsh critiques of Israel lol Then Jewish lawyers will come after your @ss with lawsuits.
J'ai l'impression qu'i'ay plus de sympathie ou solidarite avec les Arab a l"Europe.
My impression is that America is overwhelming pro-Israel while Europe (La France compris) est pro-Palestine....a remarkable dualism of perspective
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Mar 5, 2013
 
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> First of all, Attai doesn't need to be quiet in your presence nor you in his. This is supposed to be a FORUM, a public place for the REASONED discussion and debate of ideas and issues. If you can't handle that then you may depart, and leave this thread to more mature posters.
In case you hadn't heard France was OCCUPIED by Nazi Germany. The Petainist regime was really a puppet of the Nazis, which means that even "unoccupied France" was really occupied.
Now there's probably no such thing as a "collaborationist" country. In France, Poland, the Netherlands and all other occupied countries there were collaborators, fence sitters and RESISTERS.
Stephance Hessel was a member of the RESISTANCE. If that and everything else I've told you about him, you claim that he is a jerk, then that indicates to me that your are a Neanderthal reactionary. At any tate, you've got no business trying to judge a book that you haven't read.
Also, I find very suspicious your rant against public employees, who are after all WORKING PEOPLE (like employees in general).
It is rhetoric characteristic of the hard right to lambsst public employees, but not the 1%, the corporate pirates who are really FLEECING the society and the world---including Africa which you pretend to be so concerned about.
Monsieur Hessel has at least the good sense to focus his critique not on employees, not on immigrants, not on people of a different race or color or religion, but on the PLUTOCRACY.
You need to read Hessel, and also more politically engaged Black authors, to illuminate your benighted consciousness
nice post.i shall make an effort to read hessels book.but i tell you that:you wont become intelligent by reading tons of books,you ll be only more cultivated about white issues...

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yop wrote:
It s a french thread and i am french. So this thread fits me to a tee.
Sometimes i wonder why you chose "savant" as name:savant means scholar in french...and you re not scholar.
In fact, the idea was suggested to me (unintentionally) by a Frenc couple whom I met on a train from Luxemburg to Paris.
When they asked about my metier I simply told them that I had just finished my studies at Vanderbilt Uninversity, as was about to begin teaching Philosophy in the USA. To which they replied: "Ah, un savant! Vous avez beaucoup de courage." When I discovred AA Forum quite by accident, I chose the name Savant because IN FACT (your ignorant opinion hardly matters), I am a scholar. A published and respected scholar.
You, on the other hand, are sufficiently knowledgeable to be able to determine whether someone else is a scholar or not.
I just recently finished a philosophical study of the thught of Dr. Martin Luthr King, Jr., which was feature in two panels of the American Philosophical Association.
Again, restrict your comment to matters concerning which you are informed.

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Mar 5, 2013
 
Correction: Yop is NOT knowledgeable enough to determine who is or is not a scholar.

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Mar 5, 2013
 
yop wrote:
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Pour faire jouir attai,disons que je suis un petit blanc sarkosiste du 16eme arrondissement de paris et que je m apl hubert valery patrick stanislas...parce que vois-tu,selon lui,a partir du moment ou tu as une vision claire et intelligente de la societe dans laquelle tu vis,tu ne peux pas etre noir.that s why i call him a "subdued racist".
Erreur et mensonges.

Mensonge n°1 : j'ai citéà plusieurs reprises le cas des Toms, selon l'expression américaine. je veux bien croire qu'il y a des Black Sarkozystes et xénophobes : cela doit exister comme il y a des Black Republicans aux USA. Herman Cain on connaît et il y en a un paquet.
Toutefois ils représentent au maximum 10% des électeurs afro américains.

Je pense que si c'est votre cas - j'en doute - votre représentativité est encore plus faible et je relève que je n'en ai jamais rencontré un nulle part : vous seriez le 1er.
Cela ne retire rien à la nocivité de vos positions.

Doute : l'orthographe ci-dessus est TRÈS relâchée - m apl au lieu de m'appelle - et il n'y a aucun accent comme pour un clavier ... américain.

En règle générale, les Noirs francophones ont une vision bien plus claire et bien plus intelligente de la société que ... vous.
Je dirais plutôt que vous prouvez - if you are what you pretend which i doubt seriously - qu'il peut y avoir des Herman Cain, des Uncle Toms francophones. Nasty people come in every color, i agree : plutôt moins souvent parmi les peuples Noirs, vous êtes (seriez ?) l'exception qui confirme la règle.

Quant à votre référence à Jake Lamar, bon écrivain, je ne vois pas en quoi il défend vos dires.

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Mar 5, 2013
 
je ne suis ni sarkosiste,et encore moins xenophobes etant moi-meme un produit de l'immigration.
Cependant,j'ai mes petites idees sur la societe francaise et sur la dette sociale.
je trouve en outre regrettable qu'un fervant defenseur du peuple noir(a premiere vue car il faut toujours se mefier des apparences et des racistes soumis)pense que les noirs ne peuvent pas avoir une opinion reflechie et intelligente du monde qui les entourent,en affirmant implicetement ,a travers mon cas,que seuls les blancs "raffines" (sarkosiste ou autres collet-montes) le peuvent.

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yop wrote:
je ne suis ni sarkosiste,et encore moins xenophobes etant moi-meme un produit de l'immigration.
Cependant,j'ai mes petites idees sur la societe francaise et sur la dette sociale.
je trouve en outre regrettable qu'un fervant defenseur du peuple noir(a premiere vue car il faut toujours se mefier des apparences et des racistes soumis)pense que les noirs ne peuvent pas avoir une opinion reflechie et intelligente du monde qui les entourent,en affirmant implicetement ,a travers mon cas,que seuls les blancs "raffines" (sarkosiste ou autres collet-montes) le peuvent.
Mais c'est idiot et un mensonge encore une fois.
Il y a toujours eu des collabos parmi les Noirs globalement exploités : cela tout le monde l'a toujours su.
Uncle Toms and Herman Cain have always existed selling Black people to white oppressors.

Il y a sûrement des sarkozystes Noirs, je veux bien le croire même si je n'en ai jamais rencontré personnellement. Je n'ai aucune sympathie pour Rama Yade et je ne suis pas le seul à considérer cette Aunt Jemina pour ce qu'elle a été et demeure.
Condi Rice a activement participéà nuire aux Afro Américains avec les "opinions réfléchies et intelligentes" de G. W. BUSH : sans doute un des hommes politiques les plus détestés et méprisés de tous les Noirs dans le monde.

Si vous voulez être au masculin l'équivalent de Condi Rice, libre à vous.
C'est cependant très regrettable et on doit vous combattre comme Sarkozy, Le Pen et les Bushites.

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Erreur et mensonges.
Mensonge n°1 : j'ai citéà plusieurs reprises le cas des Toms, selon l'expression américaine. je veux bien croire qu'il y a des Black Sarkozystes et xénophobes : cela doit exister comme il y a des Black Republicans aux USA. Herman Cain on connaît et il y en a un paquet.
Toutefois ils représentent au maximum 10% des électeurs afro américains.
Je pense que si c'est votre cas - j'en doute - votre représentativité est encore plus faible et je relève que je n'en ai jamais rencontré un nulle part : vous seriez le 1er.
Cela ne retire rien à la nocivité de vos positions.
Doute : l'orthographe ci-dessus est TRÈS relâchée - m apl au lieu de m'appelle - et il n'y a aucun accent comme pour un clavier ... américain.
En règle générale, les Noirs francophones ont une vision bien plus claire et bien plus intelligente de la société que ... vous.
Je dirais plutôt que vous prouvez - if you are what you pretend which i doubt seriously - qu'il peut y avoir des Herman Cain, des Uncle Toms francophones. Nasty people come in every color, i agree : plutôt moins souvent parmi les peuples Noirs, vous êtes (seriez ?) l'exception qui confirme la règle.
Quant à votre référence à Jake Lamar, bon écrivain, je ne vois pas en quoi il défend vos dires.
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J'ai vais acheter BOURGEOIS BLUES par Jake Lamar. Je n'aime pas beaucoup des "crime mysteries." I'd heard of that memoir, but have not read it. You will note that I, unlike "yop" do not presume to assess a book I've not read. Consequently, I made no evaluative judgments of Jake Lamar. I may make some observations apres j'ai lu BOURGEOIS BLUES.
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J'ai l'impression qu'i'ay plus de sympathie ou solidarite avec les Arab a l"Europe.
My impression is that America is overwhelming pro-Israel while Europe (La France compris) est pro-Palestine....a remarkable dualism of perspective
Europe a une longue histoire d'antisémitisme. C'est une maladie mentale. Ils aiment les musulmans qui essaient de les détruire à travers des siècles, mais ils déteste les juifs qui n'eux ont fait rien...

Les éuropèens paraîssent très progressifs mais au cor ils sont encore des médievaux et des nazis.

Le plus vite qu'ils s'agissent contre le danger musulman, meilleur pour eux.

Europe démocratique et libre... même qu'Israël. POURQUOI, alors, sont-ils amis des arabes fascistes et oppressifs?

Comment j'ai dit... c'est une maladie mentale.

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nice post.i shall make an effort to read hessels book.but i tell you that:you wont become intelligent by reading tons of books,you ll be only more cultivated about white issues...
In fact, reading (depending on what one reads) can lead to the development of one's intellect. I know---there are empirical studies to show this--that people who study philosophy tend to sharpen their analytical skills. Moreover, I'd think it's easily demonstrated that well read Black folk like Frantz Fanon, W.E.B.Du Bois, Angelay Y. Davis, bell hooks and numerous others are cultivated on a lot more than "white" issues.
You'd know that if you studied and put aside your childish anti-intellectualism--a flaw that makes you seem more Yankee than French.

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Mar 5, 2013
 
Well Yop is francophone for sure but is he black? lol

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