Poverty is American, not racial, problem

Poverty is American, not racial, problem

There are 143 comments on the Poughkeepsie Journal story from Apr 13, 2014, titled Poverty is American, not racial, problem. In it, Poughkeepsie Journal reports that:

Why does so much of our talk about race and poverty leave us Americans spinning our wheels? One big reason is etiquette.

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“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

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Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1 Apr 14, 2014
Capitalism cerates poverty,and racism reinforces it.
Jawga Boy

Atlanta, GA

#2 Apr 14, 2014
Savant wrote:
Capitalism cerates poverty,and racism reinforces it.
There must be plenty of poverty and racism/tribalism in Africa.

Seems like this ol' racist US always has to keep them from starving.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YHYbT4M_myo/UZddSrh...

And lets not forget Haiti!

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“Sleep is My Sanctuary”

Since: Mar 14

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#3 Apr 14, 2014
Savant wrote:
Capitalism cerates poverty,and racism reinforces it.
Basically. You just summed up USA History in 7 words.
Justin

United States

#4 Apr 14, 2014
Savant wrote:
Capitalism cerates poverty,and racism reinforces it.
Some of the poorest nations on the planet are mono-ethnic and capitalistic.
You can't blame unemployment on racism, zip code, or lack of education.
If that were the case then explain why illegal immigrants in America are the fastest growing and most upwardly mobile demographic.
Unemployment and poverty are for the most part cultural.
No, I'm not talking about "American Culture". America is not a culture; it's a nation composed of many cultures. We as Americans are "multi-cultural", so to speak.
Mexicans come to America with no job prospects, no education, no friends, and in many cases no english. They live in the same neighborhoods as the lowest income blacks, and yet Mexicans living in America illegally are moving ahead.
How?
They think different.
Justin

United States

#5 Apr 14, 2014
Correction:
Some of the poorest nations on the planet are mono-ethnic and "non-capitalistic."
Jawga Boy

Atlanta, GA

#6 Apr 14, 2014
Justin wrote:
<quoted text>
Some of the poorest nations on the planet are mono-ethnic and capitalistic.
You can't blame unemployment on racism, zip code, or lack of education.
If that were the case then explain why illegal immigrants in America are the fastest growing and most upwardly mobile demographic.
Unemployment and poverty are for the most part cultural.
No, I'm not talking about "American Culture". America is not a culture; it's a nation composed of many cultures. We as Americans are "multi-cultural", so to speak.
Mexicans come to America with no job prospects, no education, no friends, and in many cases no english. They live in the same neighborhoods as the lowest income blacks, and yet Mexicans living in America illegally are moving ahead.
How?
They think different.
That's because where they come from, there is NOT a bunch of entitlement programs!

In their country, you either WORK, or starve!
foster

Ashburn, VA

#7 Apr 14, 2014
Justin wrote:
<quoted text>
Some of the poorest nations on the planet are mono-ethnic and capitalistic.
You can't blame unemployment on racism, zip code, or lack of education.
If that were the case then explain why illegal immigrants in America are the fastest growing and most upwardly mobile demographic.
Unemployment and poverty are for the most part cultural.
No, I'm not talking about "American Culture". America is not a culture; it's a nation composed of many cultures. We as Americans are "multi-cultural", so to speak.
Mexicans come to America with no job prospects, no education, no friends, and in many cases no english. They live in the same neighborhoods as the lowest income blacks, and yet Mexicans living in America illegally are moving ahead.
How?
They think different.
You neglected the poorest white trash demographic. Those who reside in the poor regions of America where there is zero economic opportunity since after the Revolutionary War, Those people in places that inspired the war on poverty when minorities could not receive aid.
foster

Ashburn, VA

#9 Apr 14, 2014
Savant wrote:
Capitalism cerates poverty,and racism reinforces it.
Very true in America. The cycle of poverty was prepetuated by illegal legislation leading to exclusion of participation in a Capitalict System. Ecomomic Genocide. Poor Whites also became victims. no way they could compete against forced convict labor after the 13th Amendment.
Jawga Boy

Atlanta, GA

#10 Apr 14, 2014
foster wrote:
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You neglected the poorest white trash demographic. Those who reside in the poor regions of America where there is zero economic opportunity since after the Revolutionary War, Those people in places that inspired the war on poverty when minorities could not receive aid.
Correction!

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/count...
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#11 Apr 14, 2014
Jubilant Sleep wrote:
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Basically. You just summed up USA History in 7 words.
50 million illigitimate children with single parents up to 80% of the minority population doesn't hurt. Playing the system for every last dollar is a disgrace. This affects all people, but has destroyed the black neighborhoods. History is one thing, excuses another.

“Sleep is My Sanctuary”

Since: Mar 14

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#13 Apr 14, 2014
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> 50 million illigitimate children with single parents up to 80% of the minority population doesn't hurt. Playing the system for every last dollar is a disgrace. This affects all people, but has destroyed the black neighborhoods. History is one thing, excuses another.
What excuses did I make?
lightzz

Falls Church, VA

#14 Apr 14, 2014
Racism is the cause of poverty if you want a caste system country in which Americlan is. Basically they make sure every one is poor but in stages the way they like; so that the people stay dumb enough to believe that it iz just some form of bankruptcy. lol ... of it is fake and just a easy way to get people to believe that it just happened and it just keep happening thiz iz dumb even for the stupid ...

Low grade child lies and simple fake gamez are old and boring... basically stealing to keep people worshiping races for money ... how sad when every one finds out ...
NTR1

Lawrenceburg, KY

#15 Apr 14, 2014
Justin wrote:
<quoted text>
Some of the poorest nations on the planet are mono-ethnic and capitalistic.
You can't blame unemployment on racism, zip code, or lack of education.
If that were the case then explain why illegal immigrants in America are the fastest growing and most upwardly mobile demographic.
Unemployment and poverty are for the most part cultural.
No, I'm not talking about "American Culture". America is not a culture; it's a nation composed of many cultures. We as Americans are "multi-cultural", so to speak.
Mexicans come to America with no job prospects, no education, no friends, and in many cases no english. They live in the same neighborhoods as the lowest income blacks, and yet Mexicans living in America illegally are moving ahead.
How?
They think different.
Respectfully disagree. Unreported income is one way. The cash pay day (or two cash pay day family) coupled with welfare entitlements for American born children and even entitlements for children here illegally. American born children entitle an illegal parent to Section 8 housing for that child/children and any other siblings and illegal parent. Taxpayers fund that housing. Legal status is not ascertained when it comes to free lunch and public school programs, nor is a sick child taken to an ER. They'll be treated. They are fed, and their illegal parent guardian will not be tracked down and have his/her wages garnished. In the greater Los Angeles area, if you are merely a "resident" (citizenship or legal status not considered), depending on income, you are entitled to county health services help where you can have your bunions removed, eyelid surgery (blepharoplasty), dialysis treatment (very expensive), diabetic care, etc, etc., regardless.

They don't think differently. In fact, most move to areas where other illegals reside and are quickly indoctrinated with how to double dip and work the system. They are doing better than American workers in the same categories for the reasons I have listed above - not because they think "different". Nice try, but no cigar. They're just people - not more special than anybody else.
Jawga Boy

Atlanta, GA

#16 Apr 14, 2014
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> 50 million illigitimate children with single parents up to 80% of the minority population doesn't hurt. Playing the system for every last dollar is a disgrace. This affects all people, but has destroyed the black neighborhoods. History is one thing, excuses another.
http://www.uss.salvationarmy.org/USS/www_uss_...

Some time ago in Reader's Digest there was a short article about a group of sea gulls that was starving to death in St. Augustine. They were not starving because of a food shortage but because they had forgotten how to fish. For years they had depended on the shrimp fleet operating out of the harbor to toss them scraps from the nets. When the shrimp fleet moved to Key West, they began to starve. They had lost their natural ability to fish because they had not been using it.
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#17 Apr 14, 2014
Jubilant Sleep wrote:
<quoted text>
What excuses did I make?
Blaming others. There is a little truth in many things in this world we may have opposite views with. But looking inward with endless programs designed to help people while abusing the same programs costing trillions and trillions of dollars in the process, well that is a Kodak moment. and since we became so progressive with an enormous public side, Kodak on the private side is a distant memory now. I fully believe that much more poverty would be gone and America would be a healthier nation if games were not played with the social programs and the system not stirred up by race baiters. How the hell do you attack real poverty when institutionalized poverty lays on top of it sucking most of the resources away.

“Sleep is My Sanctuary”

Since: Mar 14

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#18 Apr 14, 2014
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Blaming others. There is a little truth in many things in this world we may have opposite views with. But looking inward with endless programs designed to help people while abusing the same programs costing trillions and trillions of dollars in the process, well that is a Kodak moment. and since we became so progressive with an enormous public side, Kodak on the private side is a distant memory now. I fully believe that much more poverty would be gone and America would be a healthier nation if games were not played with the social programs and the system not stirred up by race baiters. How the hell do you attack real poverty when institutionalized poverty lays on top of it sucking most of the resources away.
Umm...did you even read my post? I never blamed anyone. I am blaming a system that has historically legally discriminated against certain people while affording opportunities to others. An act that has had extreme consequences that the beneficiaries still deny to this very day.
Guess Who

Sterling, CO

#19 Apr 14, 2014
Savant wrote:
Capitalism cerates poverty,and racism reinforces it.
Socialism vs Racism
A young black kid asks his mother, "Mama, what is Socialism and what is Racism?"

"Well, Child, Socialism is when white folks work every day so we can get all our benefits, you know... like free cell phones for each family member, rent subsidy, food stamps, EBC, free health care, utility subsidy, and on and on,...you know. That's Socialism."

"But mama, don't the white people get pissed off about that?"

"Sho' they do, Honey. That's called Racism!"
NTR1

Lawrenceburg, KY

#20 Apr 14, 2014
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Blaming others. There is a little truth in many things in this world we may have opposite views with. But looking inward with endless programs designed to help people while abusing the same programs costing trillions and trillions of dollars in the process, well that is a Kodak moment. and since we became so progressive with an enormous public side, Kodak on the private side is a distant memory now. I fully believe that much more poverty would be gone and America would be a healthier nation if games were not played with the social programs and the system not stirred up by race baiters. How the hell do you attack real poverty when institutionalized poverty lays on top of it sucking most of the resources away.
If only we could focus on corporate welfare for already profitable companies, we could better put this in perspective. Why should taxpayers be compelled to provide SNAP and Medicaid for Walmart and fast food workers - if these businesses are already providing (or have been) record setting profits for shareholders and the highest CEO salary ratios to median worker ration EVER in America?

When policies and legislation has been BOUGHT by lobbyists for corporatists to the extent of the greatest wage and wealth polarity since the age of the the industrialsts and opportunity and mobility in America is way behind Europe and every other first world nation, we've got a problem. It's going to impact not only the impoverished, but when there is no longer a middle class to BUY the produce and services that the corporatists produce, they will have to recognize that they have killed their own golden geese.

The investor class has bought for itself almost all of the increase in our GDP with nothing accruing to the middle and those struggling below that level. Your birth station will likely define your for life unless you are truly exceptional. That's not what most of us taught our children. Yeah. I'm older than dirt. We promised them that dedication and commitment, effort and hard work could give them "the American Dream" if they persisted. D*mned if we didn't lie to them, and it angers me more than I can say.

Here's a look at how "trickle down economics" displayed itself:

"Let Them Eat McMansions!"

http://www.salon.com/2014/04/13/let_them_eat_...

Does labor no longer deserve any participation in the pie we create TOGETHER? Here is the unfathomable reality of weatlh inequality in America:



Don't park American labor and further punish them with poverty for the benefit of the minute few without having a plan. It's immoral.
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#21 Apr 14, 2014
Jubilant Sleep wrote:
<quoted text>
Umm...did you even read my post? I never blamed anyone. I am blaming a system that has historically legally discriminated against certain people while affording opportunities to others. An act that has had extreme consequences that the beneficiaries still deny to this very day.
This Saul Alinsky crap means nothing anymore. The past happened. Today by playing the system right, the system is reversed. And that is legal. We are also not number one anymore as we move down the list of nations in more and more categories. We also live off of low wage workers overseas as part of the reason we are in decline.

“Sleep is My Sanctuary”

Since: Mar 14

Location hidden

#22 Apr 14, 2014
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> This Saul Alinsky crap means nothing anymore. The past happened. Today by playing the system right, the system is reversed. And that is legal. We are also not number one anymore as we move down the list of nations in more and more categories. We also live off of low wage workers overseas as part of the reason we are in decline.
Yes the past happened...and still affects the present. If you can't see that, then there's nothing I can do for you.

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