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800th Anniversary of the Birth of Mawlana Jalal-ud-Din Balkhi-Rumi

There are 84 comments on the Payvand News of Iran story from Sep 2, 2007, titled 800th Anniversary of the Birth of Mawlana Jalal-ud-Din Balkhi-Rumi. In it, Payvand News of Iran reports that:

“I do not distinguish between the relative and the stranger.”

A day of commemoration is organized at UNESCO on 6 September 2007 to celebrate the 800th anniversary of the birth of Mawlana Jalal-ud-Din Balkhi-Rumi, one of the greatest poets, philosophers and scholars of the ... via Payvand News of Iran

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deAiryan

Stroud, OK

#3 Sep 4, 2007
Satan in Hell wrote:
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This is much stranger than it sounds today, however we should not criticize sexual practices of 8 centuries ago. Homosexuality, incest and anonymous trysts were much more common then.
WHAT THE SHIT!! IN YOUR CORNER OF THE WORLD BODY
DO YOU ANYTHING ABOUT MULANA ROOMI THE MIND AND SOUL OF PERFECT MAN. YOUR YARD STICK IS JERRY SPRINGER! YOU COULD NOT BEGIN TO UNDRESTAND THE COMPLEX AND BEAUTIFULL WORLD OF RUMI . YOU SICK REDNECK.
Jean-Paul Remoulade

France

#4 Sep 5, 2007
deAiryan redneck from OK wrote:
WHAT THE SHIT!! IN YOUR CORNER OF THE WORLD BODY
DO YOU ANYTHING ABOUT MULANA ROOMI THE MIND AND SOUL OF PERFECT MAN. YOUR YARD STICK IS JERRY SPRINGER! YOU COULD NOT BEGIN TO UNDRESTAND THE COMPLEX AND BEAUTIFULL WORLD OF RUMI . YOU SICK REDNECK.
That's funny. Someone from Oklahoma calling people a redneck. Probably an immigrant Iranian with a crap job cleaning toilets as a janitor someplace. Scrubbing out the redneck's toilets in some redneck bar and grill by day, and spouting anger and venom online each day after work.

Just because that poster revealed that Mawlana Jalal-ud-Din Balkhi-Rumi was gay, you fly off the handle.

Everyone knows that he was gay, it's not a secret anymore, so relax. One of my favorite artists, Michelangelo was also gay. So what?

What should concern you is that this facile babbling produced by him is considered poetry! Now that's funny!!!

It cannot compare to our French literature and culture. This backwards Persian attempt is quaint, but it's more suitable for young children.
Matthew Skinner

UK

#5 Sep 5, 2007
Now he was a scholar too? What did he discover? What new thought did he promulgate.

Did he invent the nail-bomb or something?
Polovtsian

Istanbul, Turkey

#6 Sep 5, 2007
It is pretty sexist approach to talk about one's sexual preferences as if his/her achievements are/were, or should be related to such predilections.
Elfie

Lisle, IL

#9 Sep 5, 2007
Jean-Paul Remoulade wrote:
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That's funny. Someone from Oklahoma calling people a redneck. Probably an immigrant Iranian with a crap job cleaning toilets as a janitor someplace. Scrubbing out the redneck's toilets in some redneck bar and grill by day, and spouting anger and venom online each day after work.
Just because that poster revealed that Mawlana Jalal-ud-Din Balkhi-Rumi was gay, you fly off the handle.
Everyone knows that he was gay, it's not a secret anymore, so relax. One of my favorite artists, Michelangelo was also gay. So what?
What should concern you is that this facile babbling produced by him is considered poetry! Now that's funny!!!
It cannot compare to our French literature and culture. This backwards Persian attempt is quaint, but it's more suitable for young children.
you're french like i am the king of england, nazi jew israeli.....you're not even worthy to be a french person's dog....disgusting how some wannnabe poops here lie their ass off...but it's ok to dream that you're french, loser..
Elfie

Lisle, IL

#10 Sep 5, 2007
Jean-Paul Remoulade wrote:
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That's funny. Someone from Oklahoma calling people a redneck. Probably an immigrant Iranian with a crap job cleaning toilets as a janitor someplace. Scrubbing out the redneck's toilets in some redneck bar and grill by day, and spouting anger and venom online each day after work.
Just because that poster revealed that Mawlana Jalal-ud-Din Balkhi-Rumi was gay, you fly off the handle.
Everyone knows that he was gay, it's not a secret anymore, so relax. One of my favorite artists, Michelangelo was also gay. So what?
What should concern you is that this facile babbling produced by him is considered poetry! Now that's funny!!!
It cannot compare to our French literature and culture. This backwards Persian attempt is quaint, but it's more suitable for young children.
you're french like i am the king of england, nazi fascist israeli...you're not even worthy enough to be a french person's dog poo.... but keep dreaming, wannabe..
Abu Jassem

AOL

#11 Sep 5, 2007
Only non Persian speaking person propogate the sextual life of Mualan Jalal uldeen Balakhi ,why?

Two reason : One that Maullana is sweeping success with poetry lovers of the West : In 2000, 2002, 2003 his poert out sold Shakespear and Carl Sanberg . putting togather.

This happened at a time were Iran and Islam casted as most barbarian people in History with nothing to contribute to human progress.In comming the mossad and CIA to countervail this new Iranian "plauge" , and how is done?

Since most of Politician and writers and other ikon of the Western world are homosextuali.e washroom homosextual , they sought an umberlla protection by casting world greatest humanist, mistic, spirtual leaderd as one of them, thus seeking ligetmacy thru associations with a ligitmate .Nice try ,it would not fly .

Rumie`s love was pure in exchange for nothing ,nothing at all. He has no equal in the west so I can not compare.
Volga Bolgar

Istanbul, Turkey

#13 Sep 6, 2007
Satan in Hell wrote:
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Um...
I think you do not properly understand the term, "Sexist". You see, it does not relate to the sexual preference of the person upon whom the denigrating aspersion was cast, but rather - in English - referst to gender chauvanism.
Other than that, your English is quite good.
So to review:
Sexist - Discriminating against women.(not homosexuality)
To further beat this dead horse (pardon the idiomatic expression), homosexuals use the term 'homophobic' for anyone who expresses distaste for homosexuality.
BTW - Kisses from Ankara
Sexist also means "discriminatory on the basis of sex", which was the precise meaning that I encapsulated in my previous post.
ladyteacher

Kocaeli, Turkey

#14 Sep 6, 2007
Satan in Hell wrote:
ooops!
referst = refers
(It is hard to type with claws.)
Better have a manicure!LOL
ladyteacher

Kocaeli, Turkey

#15 Sep 6, 2007
Abu Jassem wrote:
Only non Persian speaking person propogate the sextual life of Mualan Jalal uldeen Balakhi ,why?
Two reason : One that Maullana is sweeping success with poetry lovers of the West : In 2000, 2002, 2003 his poert out sold Shakespear and Carl Sanberg . putting togather.
This happened at a time were Iran and Islam casted as most barbarian people in History with nothing to contribute to human progress.In comming the mossad and CIA to countervail this new Iranian "plauge" , and how is done?
Since most of Politician and writers and other ikon of the Western world are homosextuali.e washroom homosextual , they sought an umberlla protection by casting world greatest humanist, mistic, spirtual leaderd as one of them, thus seeking ligetmacy thru associations with a ligitmate .Nice try ,it would not fly .
Rumie`s love was pure in exchange for nothing ,nothing at all. He has no equal in the west so I can not compare.
Well said,Abu Jassem.

If his poetry is childish babbling, how come many people in the west join the sect of Whirling Dervishes or read his poetry since 'they know everything best on the world'?
Abu Jassem

AOL

#16 Sep 6, 2007
Lady Teacher salaam

Mualana knowledge of human inner thinking and his spiritual built and needs are infinte.

He has far more knowledge of huma needs for strenght of character ,and resolve then any western psycologist, and is most helpfull..
In fact ,when one reads the Kuliate Shamsi Tabreezi , one will find far more cohernt understanding of human thinking then Frued,Gashtalat and Viena third school of Psycological thinking .It will look like all of them copied Muallana thoughts , and yes they did.His works was known to Thomas Jefferson who classified Rumi as equal to Dante and Shakspear.
To deligitimize his moral standing and divert attentions from Rumi`s humanitarian massage ,western folks trying to make him to be like one them ,you know what I mean .It will not works Rumi is on the march

Fear of marching Islamic civilization is sending shiver to the mightiest of the mighties of Western folks.What a petty.
Rose

London, UK

#17 Sep 6, 2007
Polovtsian wrote:
It is pretty sexist approach to talk about one's sexual preferences as if his/her achievements are/were, or should be related to such predilections.
I don't know anything about this man's philosophy but it's possible that his sexual orientation may have been a favourable influence in that it led him to ask himself questions and muse over issues when he might not have done so much if he had been a heterosexual.
ladyteacher

Kocaeli, Turkey

#18 Sep 6, 2007
Rose wrote:
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I don't know anything about this man's philosophy but it's possible that his sexual orientation may have been a favourable influence in that it led him to ask himself questions and muse over issues when he might not have done so much if he had been a heterosexual.
Mevlana Celaleddin-i Rumi [Balkh 1207/Konya(Turkey)1273] was a poet and philosopher who wrote in Persian; his philosophy can best be illustrated by his famous qoute:

"Come,come again,whoever you are,come!
Heathen,fire worshipper or idolatrous,come!
Come even if you broke your penitence a hundred times,
Ours is the portal of hope,come as you are!

He looked with the same eye on Muslim,Jew or Christian alike; that means one doesn't have to be a Muslim to join his order.

People are joining his Mevlevi/Whirling Dervishes order day by day in the West.

Mevlana was at best a bisexual if that is true because he had a wife and son.
Volga Bolgar

Istanbul, Turkey

#19 Sep 6, 2007
Some Quotes by Rumi:

"Conventional opinion is the ruin of our souls."

"Do you want to enter paradise?
To walk the path of Truth
You need the grace of God.
We all face death in the end.
But on the way, be careful
Never to hurt a human heart!"

"Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.”

“If you are irritated by every rub, how will you be polished?”

“We come spinning out of nothingness, scattering stars like dust”

"Come, Come again !
Whatever you are...
Whether you are infidel,
idolater or fire worshiper.
Whether you have broken your vows
of repentance a hundred times
This is not the gate of despair,
This is the gate of hope.
Come, come again..."

"Not Christian or Jew or Muslim, not Hindu,
Buddhist, sufi, or zen. Not any religion

or cultural system. I am not from the East
or the West, not out of the ocean or up

from the ground, not natural or ethereal, not
composed of elements at all. I do not exist,

am not an entity in this world or the next,
did not descend from Adam and Eve or any

origin story. My place is placeless, a trace
of the traceless. Neither body or soul.

I belong to the beloved, have seen the two
worlds as one and that one call to and know,

first, last, outer, inner, only that
breath breathing human being."
deAiryan

Stroud, OK

#20 Sep 6, 2007
Jean-Paul Remoulade wrote:
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That's funny. Someone from Oklahoma calling people a redneck. Probably an immigrant Iranian with a crap job cleaning toilets as a janitor someplace. Scrubbing out the redneck's toilets in some redneck bar and grill by day, and spouting anger and venom online each day after work.
Just because that poster revealed that Mawlana Jalal-ud-Din Balkhi-Rumi was gay, you fly off the handle.
Everyone knows that he was gay, it's not a secret anymore, so relax. One of my favorite artists, Michelangelo was also gay. So what?
What should concern you is that this facile babbling produced by him is considered poetry! Now that's funny!!!
It cannot compare to our French literature and culture. This backwards Persian attempt is quaint, but it's more suitable for young children.
fck you mongrol whity i own things and okie fck him and that is beside the point , i did not say french are not up there, you are not, shit for brain the scum of earth scraped from streets of european cities put on the ship and sent over, fck you then, i nevetr thought i get to a point to dispise a people so much ? but then money is good i guess i have become totaly americanized
see you in haell mengy dog.
truthist

United States

#21 Sep 6, 2007
ladyteacher wrote:
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Mevlana Celaleddin-i Rumi [Balkh 1207/Konya(Turkey)1273] was a poet and philosopher who wrote in Persian; his philosophy can best be illustrated by his famous qoute:
"Come,come again,whoever you are,come!
Heathen,fire worshipper or idolatrous,come!
Come even if you broke your penitence a hundred times,
Ours is the portal of hope,come as you are!
He looked with the same eye on Muslim,Jew or Christian alike; that means one doesn't have to be a Muslim to join his order.
People are joining his Mevlevi/Whirling Dervishes order day by day in the West.
Mevlana was at best a bisexual if that is true because he had a wife and son.
I met 2 of his 22nd generation grandchildren this year. Rumi was from a Turkic community and settled to live with the western Turks, i.e. Rumi (meaning western), and knew at least Turkish, Farsi, and Arabic. Persian poetry was the elite choice in the civilized world at his time.(Anyone communicating in English now are not assumed certainly to be English either.) As to his sexuality, my informed mind and loving heart tell me that Rumi loved men and women but did not lust for men. Lovers of people know that meeting of minds and hearts is not only in the sexual realm. Oh, also from Rumi:
"Look like who you are,
Be like whom you look like."
So he would have told us his preference of men if it were so. Peace and love.
deAiryan

Stroud, OK

#22 Sep 6, 2007
Jean-Paul Remoulade wrote:
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That's funny. Someone from Oklahoma calling people a redneck. Probably an immigrant Iranian with a crap job cleaning toilets as a janitor someplace. Scrubbing out the redneck's toilets in some redneck bar and grill by day, and spouting anger and venom online each day after work.
Just because that poster revealed that Mawlana Jalal-ud-Din Balkhi-Rumi was gay, you fly off the handle.
if you are actually french then pagdon mua!
avorite artists, Michelangelo was also gay. So what?
What should concern you is that this facile babbling produced by him is considered poetry! Now that's funny!!!
It cannot compare to our French literature and culture. This backwards Persian attempt is quaint, but it's more suitable for young children.
if you are truly french then pagdon mua !
you operate on different level than them iranian folks, incest and homosexuality is ok even public
show of it you don,t leave anything to imagination !? or bdroom, i really don,t give hoot who is gay !/ but in public, you gotta have something some control of your desires some civility, i have not seen civility since i
left home, may be i have seen too much and i am jaded.act of love in mulana rumi,s view was spiritual and he said after his mentor tabrizi vanished, "he would be always with me like a glow in my heart' buy the way translation of his poetry did not do him justice yet! we need a fitzgerald who translated omar khayyam to do him justice his poetry is very complex as of some of
guethe,s work he is like Haez hard to traslate so fine a tread to work with.
deAiryan

Stroud, OK

#23 Sep 6, 2007
truthist wrote:
<quoted text>I met 2 of his 22nd generation grandchildren this year. Rumi was from a Turkic community and settled to live with the western Turks, i.e. Rumi (meaning western), and knew at least Turkish, Farsi, and Arabic. Persian poetry was the elite choice in the civilized world at his time.(Anyone communicating in English now are not assumed certainly to be English either.) As to his sexuality, my informed mind and loving heart tell me that Rumi loved men and women but did not lust for men. Lovers of people know that meeting of minds and hearts is not only in the sexual realm. Oh, also from Rumi:
"Look like who you are,
Be like whom you look like."
So he would have told us his preference of men if it were so. Peace and love.
his name was balkhi from balkh in todays afghanistan he was no barbarian turk he was from dabir cast and his father had a job with samanian dynasty of centrl greater khorasan he aint a turk body, turks were comming in waves they ran over the iranian dynasty and life became dangerous he was a child when he left for "arz-e rum" that is when he got the sorname rumi funny say anything about anybody he says he was a turk !?
persian was talking about ADAM the first human
the turk jumped in and said ya!! he was a turk first then he became an ADAM !? its a prsian joke by the way how is the brown nosing europeans these days pays or not!? and his children being turko mongols of course stupid after 800 years !?
ladyteacher

Eskisehir, Turkey

#24 Sep 6, 2007
truthist wrote:
<quoted text>I met 2 of his 22nd generation grandchildren this year. Rumi was from a Turkic community and settled to live with the western Turks, i.e. Rumi (meaning western), and knew at least Turkish, Farsi, and Arabic. Persian poetry was the elite choice in the civilized world at his time.(Anyone communicating in English now are not assumed certainly to be English either.) As to his sexuality, my informed mind and loving heart tell me that Rumi loved men and women but did not lust for men. Lovers of people know that meeting of minds and hearts is not only in the sexual realm. Oh, also from Rumi:
"Look like who you are,
Be like whom you look like."
So he would have told us his preference of men if it were so. Peace and love.
Thank you I was trying to say exactly to say the same thing opposing that he was gay and said his 'bisexuality' with a reserve.

I too believe his preference to be only in the spiritual realm. His devotion for Shemsi Tebrizi may have led people to label him as gay.

I'm not really interested in people's sexual preferences;what I value above all is their contribution to humanity as in the case of Rumi.

regards
truthist

United States

#25 Sep 6, 2007
ladyteacher wrote:
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Thank you I was trying to say exactly to say the same thing opposing that he was gay and said his 'bisexuality' with a reserve.
I too believe his preference to be only in the spiritual realm. His devotion for Shemsi Tebrizi may have led people to label him as gay.
I'm not really interested in people's sexual preferences;what I value above all is their contribution to humanity as in the case of Rumi.
regards
And thank you. Likewise. Also, I thank you for your civilized input here. It's wonderful to have people who don't lie and who don't hate. Love is the best.

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