Dems getting desperate on health care

Someone tell the tool Obama to immediately stop all covert and overt wars, scale back all aspects of the military, secure the borders from illegals, reduce legal immigration to a trickle, and then the people will be ready to listen to a health care system that is about 1% of the proposed tax payer rip off corporate 'health' care system.

cliff note version:

Stop killing our kids and foreign kids, using tax payer dollars=present a reasonable non Marxist health care system.

better yet,just go back to Ill.,take nancy with you.

Post 1 and 2 cover it very nicely.

Why can they not debate changing the I.R.S. and fix SS#,all the while thay could be fixing the system where thay do not collect money to run the next campaign for office by sellin their votes to the lobbyists and special interests!!The system for their money collecting is way past due for changing!Why do they need to screw around with Health Care?

If anyone is curious about what's in the bill here it is in its entirety:

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/AAHCA-Bi...

I personally don't understand why people complain about its length. The text is so large and spaced such that, if it were reduced to the letter size in most books, it would be about 200 pages. You could knock it out in a single afternoon. Each term is defined, sometimes more than once, because they want as little ambiguity as possible

Once a Lifelong Democrat

Today I quit the AARP , Tore up my membership cards

I will never again vote for any democrat!!

The answer is to hold all congressmen accountable if they don't vote for a Plan like the one at insurance corruption dot com.
Congress doesn't like it because it's a Plan for the people, not the wealthy.
It MAKES a profit instead of taxing us to death.
Check it out, tell everyone, demand your legislators support that kind of plan and stop the stupidity NOW!

They have to pass NHC. It's vitale to the "health" of the democrat party.
Come one and all illegal aliens!
You see democrats aren't reproducing, thru abortion and lifestyle. They need the voters especialy now that acorn voter fraud might be nailed.

whitehair wrote:

Post 1 and 2 cover it very nicely.
Why can they not debate changing the I.R.S. and fix SS#,all the while thay could be fixing the system where thay do not collect money to run the next campaign for office by sellin their votes to the lobbyists and special interests!!The system for their money collecting is way past due for changing!Why do they need to screw around with Health Care?

Washington is not serious about true health care reform.

Tort reform and toughter legislation on the Insurance Industry!

Anndee wrote:

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Washington is not serious about true health care reform.
Tort reform and toughter legislation on the Insurance Industry!

I don't think you're in touch with reality.
We have corrupt laws which benefit the insurance industry because they bought our legislators.
Example: No jury is allowed to know if an insurance company is involved in a lawsuit - TO PROTECT THE INSURANCE COMPANIES AND VIOLATE OUR RIGHT TO FAIR TRIALS. I was watching as one legal parasite used that law to lie to the jury and evoke sympathy, saying that his clients were poor and were being victimized, when in reality his REAL client was a multi-billion dollar insurance company.
Just how are you going to force legislators to get tough? You have no clue.
Congress is trying to pass health care reform which includes insurance companies - THIS MUST NOT HAPPEN!!! I hope everybody checks out insurance corruption dot com and pushes this plan on congress. They'll fight it, they'll hate it, but if they check out the site and find out that we CAN get tough with them, it just might work.

Since most manufacturing jobs are leaving the U.S.,that may end up making the health care industry Americas biggest employeer. Without any oversite,it will bankrupt the country. A change has to be made,like it or not.AMERICA is a country of all its citizens, not just the most fortunate.

The idea that Democrats are getting desperate on health care is wishful thinking by the Republicans. We have been treated to more noise than usual because the Republicans have only 40 votes in the Senate, 2 of which are from Maine, and can't simply kill it with a filibuster. If you lack the direct political power to impose your will, what do you do?

I dont think the democrats are getting desperate. The recent behavior of some republicans however, does lead me to believe they are getting desperate. I'm a republican and I think the current medical system in this country is horrendous. I think its worth our time and money to try something else that might work. The current system is expensive and failing. Worst case scenario, the dem plan will be expensive and fail. We the people have nothing to lose either way. Who thinks $300-$400 per month is a reasonable price to pay for health insurance? Who thinks the insurance companies care about our families welfare? The rising costs of insurance,[premiums+copays+ded uctibles+caps+limited networks], has pushed a lot of families right out of the market. Those people now have zero options for healthcare. Even if they can afford to pay as they go, doctors look at the no insurance box and adjust the care accordingly. What are these people supposed to do? Just die because they dont have insurance. A public option is their only hope. They arent looking for a free ride.

The ironic thing is that some Republicans are now proposing ideas that may have some merit, such as buying health insurance across state lines. But it is far too late. From 2003-2006, the Republicans had the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. During that time, you never heard boo from the Republicans about health care. They ignored it totally, except for the Medicare prescription drug law. The only reason they don't ignore it now is because the Democrats are about to pass something they don't like.

The only ones fighting a public option are those with special ties to the insurance / health care industry. Most all republican and some democrat lawmakers are putting there own interest ahead of what is best for ALL citizens of America. This is the only way anyone will ever force the hospitals, doctors, drug companies, nursing homes, insurance companies etc. to bring down prices on services rendered. If you think they will voluntarily cut costs,I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

These are the reasons I back health care reform. I back Obama 100 percent
46 million Americans currently have no Health Indurance and most of them have patchy access to health care, avoiding preventive services and only seeing a doctor when lack of prevention lands them in an emergency room -- perversely, this creates the very long lines we're told to fear if said people instead receive basic health care. Under most universal health care proposals, these 46 million would be able to purchase health insurance, dramatically elevating the labor demand for doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and other health care providers. With doctors alone, this improves women's employment prospects, since female medical school applicants outnumber male applicants. But with the increasing emphasis on prevention, the demand for nurses and other medical staff will rise even faster. These are professions in which women are predominant.
Obviously, the incoming administration has an opportunity to kill two birds with one health care reform stone. Applying the green job reform model to health care -- creating a demand for labor and creating a means to fill it -- will work nicely for health care. We have a nursing shortage in America, but it's not for a real lack of actual human beings who need the jobs. Most of the women who might find nursing a good job can't quite seem to get into it, because cobbling together the time and money for the training falls just outside of their means.
Making the leap from a minimum wage service industry job into a higher income nursing job means, for many women who would like to make that transition, finding money to pay for it, and dealing with increased child care costs to cover their hours working their normal job and the hours at school. For many women, these are costs they simply cannot afford. But our federal government can easily provide both the tuition money and the child care. It's been demonstrated in this country's past, that if need be, the federal government can create child care programs to free up women's time so they can take jobs that must be done. During World War II, the federal government set up 24 hour day care centers for female shipyard workers taking jobs that men couldn't fill. This would have the added benefit of employing more women, since child care workers are largely female.

Stamos wrote:

These are the reasons I back health care reform. I back Obama 100 percent
46 million Americans currently have no Health Indurance and most of them have patchy access to health care, avoiding preventive services and only seeing a doctor when lack of prevention lands them in an emergency room -- perversely, this creates the very long lines we're told to fear if said people instead receive basic health care. Under most universal health care proposals, these 46 million would be able to purchase health insurance, dramatically elevating the labor demand for doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and other health care providers. With doctors alone, this improves women's employment prospects, since female medical school applicants outnumber male applicants. But with the increasing emphasis on prevention, the demand for nurses and other medical staff will rise even faster. These are professions in which women are predominant.
Obviously, the incoming administration has an opportunity to kill two birds with one health care reform stone. Applying the green job reform model to health care -- creating a demand for labor and creating a means to fill it -- will work nicely for health care. We have a nursing shortage in America, but it's not for a real lack of actual human beings who need the jobs. Most of the women who might find nursing a good job can't quite seem to get into it, because cobbling together the time and money for the training falls just outside of their means.
Making the leap from a minimum wage service industry job into a higher income nursing job means, for many women who would like to make that transition, finding money to pay for it, and dealing with increased child care costs to cover their hours working their normal job and the hours at school. For many women, these are costs they simply cannot afford. But our federal government can easily provide both the tuition money and the child care. It's been demonstrated in this country's past, that if need be, the federal government can create child care programs to free up women's time so they can take jobs that must be done. During World War II, the federal government set up 24 hour day care centers for female shipyard workers taking jobs that men couldn't fill. This would have the added benefit of employing more women, since child care workers are largely female.

You are a socialist in every thought.
If you truly believe what you are saying anyway.
Suggest you read the Communist Manifesto by a man mane Karl Marx.
What you propose is nothing short of taking control of 1/6 of our economy by the federal government.
Great Britain's healthcare system is the 3rd largest employer on the planet...behind the Red Chinese and Indian armies...
Do you think that America's will be smaller?
Now let us look at the things the government currently runs efficiently....
NOTHING...
So you expect that suddenly they will just turn that right around.
We're here from the government...we're here to help....

Say Hay wrote:

The idea that Democrats are getting desperate on health care is wishful thinking by the Republicans. We have been treated to more noise than usual because the Republicans have only 40 votes in the Senate, 2 of which are from Maine, and can't simply kill it with a filibuster. If you lack the direct political power to impose your will, what do you do?

This type of arrogance will be handsomely rewarded in the 2010 elections. The more that Democrats dismiss Republican concerns, which largely mirror those of a substantial chunk of the overall electorate, the more seats will be lost. So keep talking - please keep talking.

dean wrote:

The only ones fighting a public option are those with special ties to the insurance / health care industry. Most all republican and some democrat lawmakers are putting there own interest ahead of what is best for ALL citizens of America. This is the only way anyone will ever force the hospitals, doctors, drug companies, nursing homes, insurance companies etc. to bring down prices on services rendered. If you think they will voluntarily cut costs,I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

Prices will be brought down with the plan at insurance corruption. com because the government will lower the limit. I was just billed $330 to spend a few minutes in a surgeon's office. It's criminal.

Protester wrote:

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Prices will be brought down with the plan at insurance corruption. com because the government will lower the limit. I was just billed $330 to spend a few minutes in a surgeon's office. It's criminal.

Sounds like you need to look for another surgeon.

reb1 wrote:

DE@TH to BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA alias BARRY SOETORO

reb1 = American traitor.