Lavonia minister shot, killed by drug agents

"I told all four [Congressional leaders] that there are going to be some times where we don't agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
-George W. Bush (the Second), in a news conference at the U.S. Capitol, from CNN news, 18 Dec. 2000

<< Remind us of anybody on this forum?.. rstlne ___.

I'd like to solve the puzzle... Is it Dub?... YES you are correct!! Now for my prize .. Give me Liberty, or give me Death!

Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.

--George W. Bush, unwittingly telling the truth (Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004)

<< This should be the new slogan over the Toccoa Police Department ;)

The police agent knows he's guilty or he would'nt be in hiding.
It might be a good time to stay out of Toccoa.
It may be safer in Hartwell where they only beat your eyeball out.

DUB wrote:

Has anyone on this thread bothered to read the GBI statement released and the statements of witnesses at the incident. It appears that this "pastor" did in fact run over an officer after the officers identified themselves.
So first, Mr. Ayers did run over an officer, second, they identified themselves as best they could. But let's imagine for a moment that Mr. Ayers had picked up this woman, a prostitute (reports confirm that fact) and was not involved in her dealings and knew nothing of them, would have no reason flee from police officers. Or better yet think, does it make more sense that a "pastor" afraid of being caught with a prostitute involved in drug dealings, made an unwise decision to avoid capture when he thought that his actions may make headlines. And as a result of his actions, intentional or not, resulted in a police officer being hurt or killed. You are the same people who would still condemn the police for the event. Never mind that your Godly man made a ungodly mistake. Forget the fact that the "pastor" is a man like the rest of us and may have just been caught in a career ending position. No let's blame the police.
Look at all the facts. and then look at it from the officer's point of view.
Drug dealing whore in a car with a man at a store, officers approach, man tries to drive away and steers toward an officer almost striking him.
If anyone of you took the fact this man worked in a church out of the equation, would you then be so quick to judge.
I forgot, these are good church going Christian people, they don't let things like facts, the truth, and God get in the way of good gossip and backstabbing.

This guy is full of crap if he knew anything about Jonathan or his family he would understand, people who know nothing about the situation should keep their thoughts to themselves!!!

MHen wrote:

<quoted text> This guy is full of crap if he knew anything about Jonathan or his family he would understand, people who know nothing about the situation should keep their thoughts to themselves!!!

I agree, you should keep your thoughts to yourself. You obviously know nothing about the officers involved and nothing about the situation.

I look at it like this, Lets say he did "run over the officer" ill call him officer #1, why instead of calling for medical assistance as first priority, did the other officer "officer #2 who was not in any danger and apparently not concerned enough about the welfare of his partner or other people on the street that day decide that deadly force was his only resort. I know that you are not so stupid that you honestly think all the actions that took place that day, on everybody with legal authorities part was justifiable, and maybe could have been handled with more information and with a better approach I'm including the whole ncis multi agency task force and the way they conducted themselves not just the cop that shot the minister. I think they all need to be held accountable. I truly hope to see some type of justice served one way or another.

Terrible!

Im thinking Wyatt Earp Syndrone probably played a big part that day.
You cant dress these guys in body armor and give them all kinds of neat weapons with pacmar's and velcro's, and send 'em out in gangsta' mobiles just to keep the peace.
Heck no. Their pumped at that point.

Those tactics may be needed in some major metropolitans, but not in a small town like Toccoa, Ga.

Nobody wrote:

I look at it like this, Lets say he did "run over the officer" ill call him officer #1, why instead of calling for medical assistance as first priority, did the other officer "officer #2 who was not in any danger and apparently not concerned enough about the welfare of his partner or other people on the street that day decide that deadly force was his only resort. I know that you are not so stupid that you honestly think all the actions that took place that day, on everybody with legal authorities part was justifiable, and maybe could have been handled with more information and with a better approach I'm including the whole ncis multi agency task force and the way they conducted themselves not just the cop that shot the minister. I think they all need to be held accountable. I truly hope to see some type of justice served one way or another.

I would love to answer this one because it may give you a small insight into the world of a police officer.
Why did he not call for medical assistance right away. Because it is the hardest thing and the first thing police officers are taught. A police officer must stop doing what a normal, caring, and compassionate person would do and do the exact opposite no matter how hard.
A police officer's first job is to forget about his safety, the safety of his partners, and the safety of other officers and deal with the safety of the public. And stopping a fleeing felon, who has demonstrated a lack of regard for human life by running a police officer down is a danger to the public.(To all you Ayers supporters, I am not saying he is guilty of that, I am only making a point from the officer's point of view).
When school shootings happen, they now teach police officers to walk past bleeding and hurt children to find the shooter(s), because stopping the shooter before he kills 30 children is better than helping the first 10 he shot. If you think that as a parent is hard to swallow, knowing that police officers will walk by your dying child instead of saving them, try being a parent and having to do it because your a police officer too.
When police officers leave home each day they must accept certain things. Things such as being willing to never come back home alive, never seeing their children and spouses again, and knowing that they may have to die to protect the biggest piece of scum on the earth from the same fate. Why? Because police officers have a sworn duty to protect everyone, not just the fine and upstanding, the rich and well dressed, or the polite and hard working. Police officers protect the dirty and down trodden, the poor and dirty, and the rude criminals.
So imagine having to ignore every instinct you have as a human being and knowing you have to let your brethren bleed while you run to put your life in harm's way to protect people you will never see and never thank you. If you think you can you are welcome to come fill out an application. If you can't, I understand, most people can't. If you think it is wrong to have to do it, I understand, that's why you could never do it.
Being a police officer, deputy, constable, agent, marshal, or trooper, is not a job to those who really need to be there. It is a calling to service no different than that of a pastor or priest. It is a calling to forgo worldly things, and to put aside the need for fame and recognition and do for others what they could never do themselves. So, regardless of who was right and who was wrong, who was guilty or who was just "witnessing" to a drug dealer, the officers that day put their lives in harms way to protect you and your children. So, as Jack so finely put it, either pick up a gun and walk a post or just say thank you, either way I have neither the time nor inclination to listen to a man who rises and falls under the blanket of freedom I provide and then criticizes the manner in which I provide it.

Im sorry, I couldn't even let you get away with the first 2 paragraphs of that without having to say something ...
you said..

"A police officer's first job is to forget about his safety, the safety of his partners, and the safety of other officers and deal with the safety of the public."

What about the safety of the people on the street that day when they left their suv to roll out into the street in neutral? what about the safety of other people on the road that day when they let the "fleeing felon" drive into the street after being fatally shot without even attempting to pursue him or block any exits? what happened there? I already know that this could have been avoided completely not on the ministers part he was just doing his Job and he works for a more powerful boss than you could ever imagine. Taking that out of the picture however... This was a very sloppy and very disturbing scene something that I hope haunts enough sense into the officers of peace and justice to change their approach on how to handle situations from now on, even if no other justice is served.

Dub, If I remember correctly, Jack's quote was just before they arrested him. So your point is???? A few good men are hard to find.

just me wrote:

Dub, If I remember correctly, Jack's quote was just before they arrested him. So your point is???? A few good men are hard to find.

You are correct it was, but it is still a classic line....

DUB wrote:

the officers that day put their lives in harms way to protect you and your children.

Therefore, should a crime occur against me or one of my children, since police are responsible for protecting us, I can sue them for their malfeasance and negligence for failing to do so, correct?

dubs only point in this is to defend something that he knows in his heart was wrong, i wish he could look past that and see that not everything that is within protocol of law is the right thing to do or the right course of action to take in situations... hell superman knocked over buildings to defend evil but destroyed towns in the process just to uphold what he thought was right and that didn't make him a childhood hero!!, What did was when he admitted to weakness and humility , improved around it and that means admitting to fault and admitting to being human in one way or another and to appreciate being held accountable and taking every lesson that life had thrown at him to heart and learning from it just so he could have the chance to make the world a better place.... Point being every hero learns from their mistakes!!! superman was just the example i used.

Richard_ wrote:

<quoted text>Therefore, should a crime occur against me or one of my children, since police are responsible for protecting us, I can sue them for their malfeasance and negligence for failing to do so, correct?

Yeah go ahead and try that and let me know how that works out for you. As much as I dislike name calling and hurling insults, Richard you are either a true idiot, or deriver enjoyment from making comments that sound idiotic. I honestly think it is the former.

Nobody wrote:

dubs only point in this is to defend something that he knows in his heart was wrong, i wish he could look past that and see that not everything that is within protocol of law is the right thing to do or the right course of action to take in situations... hell superman knocked over buildings to defend evil but destroyed towns in the process just to uphold what he thought was right and that didn't make him a childhood hero!!, What did was when he admitted to weakness and humility , improved around it and that means admitting to fault and admitting to being human in one way or another and to appreciate being held accountable and taking every lesson that life had thrown at him to heart and learning from it just so he could have the chance to make the world a better place.... Point being every hero learns from their mistakes!!! superman was just the example i used.

Sounds like you could be talking to yourself about Mr. Ayers or me about the officers. See what I mean?

DUB wrote:

<quoted text>Yeah go ahead and try that and let me know how that works out for you. As much as I dislike name calling and hurling insults, Richard you are either a true idiot, or deriver enjoyment from making comments that sound idiotic. I honestly think it is the former.

In other words, you lied. Police do not have responsiblity to protect individuals unless a special duty is owed, therefore police cannot be sued for not protecting individuals in many cases.

DUB wrote:

<quoted text>Yeah go ahead and try that and let me know how that works out for you.

Actually, I did snag me some cash from an agency in an out of court settlement. Their lawyer said they weren't going to pay one thin red dime, but what he meant to say was where would you like the check mailed, because within a week they wrote a check. Evidently, sovereign immunity wasn't going to be a good legal defense for them.

DUB wrote:

<quoted text> Sounds like you could be talking to yourself about Mr. Ayers or me about the officers. See what I mean?

<<Just an ambiguous example with food for thought.