New SUNY chancellor needs to champion Stony Brook

stony brook is newsday's favorite university. that obvious. it's also the home of retired newsday editorial writers. so for newsday, nothing is to good for the place. everyday in newsday there are MANY "stories", columns and editorials about stony brook. i'll bet that when the current crop of newsday editorial writers are finally shown the door at newsday they to will retire to the stony brook. thus keeping the newsday-stony connection alive for another generation. i'm sure the stony brook campus awaits the new arrivals from newsday with unparalleled excitement.

newsday LOVES stony brook wrote:

stony brook is newsday's favorite university. that obvious. it's also the home of retired newsday editorial writers. so for newsday, nothing is to good for the place. everyday in newsday there are MANY "stories", columns and editorials about stony brook. i'll bet that when the current crop of newsday editorial writers are finally shown the door at newsday they to will retire to the stony brook. thus keeping the newsday-stony connection alive for another generation. i'm sure the stony brook campus awaits the new arrivals from newsday with unparalleled excitement.

Peddle your ideas at Hofstra. Bitterness is very unbecoming.

She needs to support all four SUNY Centers. This talk started by disgraced governor Spitzer of "flagships" has been very divisive. The SUNY system is falling apart and there are fights for funding and prestige. Each of those SUNY Centers brings assets to the table. Keep in mind, the prestigious UC system has 10 campuses and 80% are rated higher than the best SUNY Center.

There are 4 SUNY Centers! There are no “flagship” in New York.

Stony Brook seems to be prospering! But everybody wants more!
How about doing more with less education industry! More class time, less bias!

newsday LOVES stony brook wrote:

stony brook is newsday's favorite university. that obvious. it's also the home of retired newsday editorial writers. so for newsday, nothing is to good for the place. everyday in newsday there are MANY "stories", columns and editorials about stony brook. i'll bet that when the current crop of newsday editorial writers are finally shown the door at newsday they to will retire to the stony brook. thus keeping the newsday-stony connection alive for another generation. i'm sure the stony brook campus awaits the new arrivals from newsday with unparalleled excitement.

You sound like you've been rejected for a position at Stony Brook. Maybe if you improved your writing skills....

Albany legislature and methods must be forced to change. We do not have time to waste while THEY continue their politicking and lazy, obstructionist ways.

NYState Legislators refuse to recognize that education is an investment, not just a routine expense. To excell, Stony Brook Univ. needs more autonamy, just like SUNY Buffalo's. Legislators create constant ROADBLOCKS & obstacle courses.
Enough already! We cannot afford their bad habits.

It is time to vote for A NEW LEGISLATURE and a new Albany system that is up-to-date and effective for the good of NYState people. OUT WITH THE OLD CORRUPTION and
IN WITH NEW ENERGY & COMMON SENSE.

Voters! It is up to you to make this change and to make sure it works.

I was a student at nassau community college, and the SUNY school system is a great oppertunity for young people who can't afford to attend schools such as Hofstra, Aldephi, etc. The young people also don't want to go to an university on loans because that will just raise their loan debt ten fold as a oppose to going to a state SUNY school where tuition is relativly low. Although to champion one SUNY school over many SUNY schools is so arrogant considering that there are so many SUNY schools in the state.

The new chancellor must champion the entire SUNY system and work to free the entire system of the fetters placed upon it by the state legislature. What few New Yorkers seem to realize is that, unlike any other state university system in the nation, SUNY is a pawn of the legislature -- no different in its governmental standing than the DMV. Until SUNY is granted status as a stand-alone organization free of the whims of the legislature, it will never have the chance to become a truly top notch system. Long Islanders also must face up to the fact that, compared to the University at Buffalo, Stony Brook is a johnny-come-lately to the upper echelons of American higher education. UB was founded in 1846 as a private university and was assumed fully formed into the new SUNY system in the early 60s. UB has been a member of the prestigious Association of American Universities (an invitation only organization of the 62 top private and public universities in the nation) since 1989. Stony Brook, on the other hand, was created in 1957 and invited to join the AAU in 2001. It goes without saying that UB has more history behind it and more contemporary clout than Stony Brook and so should be at the forefront of change within SUNY. Once Buffalo has achieved some measure of success with its plans, it will then have the potentially unenviable task of guiding the other SUNY centers through the change process. Stony Brook has come a long way in its short history and is a fine institution; but, if SUNY is ever to assume a position among the top public systems in the nation, it must send forth its strongest candidate to lead the change process, and that candidate is the University at Buffalo, not Stony Brook.

LI UB grad wrote:

The new chancellor must champion the entire SUNY system and work to free the entire system of the fetters placed upon it by the state legislature. What few New Yorkers seem to realize is that, unlike any other state university system in the nation, SUNY is a pawn of the legislature -- no different in its governmental standing than the DMV. Until SUNY is granted status as a stand-alone organization free of the whims of the legislature, it will never have the chance to become a truly top notch system. Long Islanders also must face up to the fact that, compared to the University at Buffalo, Stony Brook is a johnny-come-lately to the upper echelons of American higher education. UB was founded in 1846 as a private university and was assumed fully formed into the new SUNY system in the early 60s. UB has been a member of the prestigious Association of American Universities (an invitation only organization of the 62 top private and public universities in the nation) since 1989. Stony Brook, on the other hand, was created in 1957 and invited to join the AAU in 2001. It goes without saying that UB has more history behind it and more contemporary clout than Stony Brook and so should be at the forefront of change within SUNY. Once Buffalo has achieved some measure of success with its plans, it will then have the potentially unenviable task of guiding the other SUNY centers through the change process. Stony Brook has come a long way in its short history and is a fine institution; but, if SUNY is ever to assume a position among the top public systems in the nation, it must send forth its strongest candidate to lead the change process, and that candidate is the University at Buffalo, not Stony Brook.

Aren't Binghamton and Geneseo ranked higher than Buffalo in national ratings, as well as being more selective and less expensive?

Just Saying wrote:

<quoted text>Aren't Binghamton and Geneseo ranked higher than Buffalo in national ratings, as well as being more selective and less expensive?

Ranked higher in what? The popular press (US News and World Report? Those rankings are nothing more than popularity contests and have nothing to do with the actual quality of the institution as determined by established standards. Any school worth its salt does not give a whole lot of credence to those rankings beyond allowing admissions reps to spout on them, since the rankings are noticed by the public. Of the four SUNY university centers, only Buffalo and Stony Brook are members of the AAU (top 62 public and private universities in the nation). Binghamton, on the other hand, has the smallest research budget and, on the scale used to categorize colleges and universities in the US, is ranked a notch lower than Buffalo, Stony Brook, and Albany. Geneseo, while not a university, is probably one of the finest public four-year comprehensive colleges in the nation and has long been referred to as one of the "public ivies."

LI UB grad wrote:

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Ranked higher in what? The popular press (US News and World Report? Those rankings are nothing more than popularity contests and have nothing to do with the actual quality of the institution as determined by established standards. Any school worth its salt does not give a whole lot of credence to those rankings beyond allowing admissions reps to spout on them, since the rankings are noticed by the public. Of the four SUNY university centers, only Buffalo and Stony Brook are members of the AAU (top 62 public and private universities in the nation). Binghamton, on the other hand, has the smallest research budget and, on the scale used to categorize colleges and universities in the US, is ranked a notch lower than Buffalo, Stony Brook, and Albany. Geneseo, while not a university, is probably one of the finest public four-year comprehensive colleges in the nation and has long been referred to as one of the "public ivies."

I appreciate your support for your alma mater, but you didn't address the rest of my post, regarding selectivity and cost of attendance (which I'm sure will increase even more at UB if it gets it's independence from the rest of SUNY, because it will use that as a reason to charge more). Also, what criteria is used for membership in AAU? I'm curious, because my daughter is planning to attend UB in the fall.

Just Saying wrote:

<quoted text>I appreciate your support for your alma mater, but you didn't address the rest of my post, regarding selectivity and cost of attendance (which I'm sure will increase even more at UB if it gets it's independence from the rest of SUNY, because it will use that as a reason to charge more). Also, what criteria is used for membership in AAU? I'm curious, because my daughter is planning to attend UB in the fall.

For the criteria for AAU, you may go to their web site at www.aau.edu . There you will also find a list of all AAU member institutions and the year they were each admitted to the organization. As for tuition, it is not at all unusual for a state system to have tiered tuition based upon the level of institution (from community college through to research university). In fact, I think (but am not entirely sure and, as this is not a research paper, choose not to take the time to verify) that the California system, with which you might be more familiar, employs tiered tuition. As for selectivity, while I don't have the figures in front of me, you should be able to go to the web site of every public college and university and find data on applications received, average SAT scores, completion rates, etc. which I must assume are indicators of what you are calling selectivity. While the economy has most SUNY colleges and universities receiving record numbers of applications and turning record numbers of applicants, recent history indicates that UB and Stony Brook are the most selective of the university centers relative to undergraduate admission while Geneseo and, I believe, Fredonia, are the most selective of the colleges. Finally, UB is not seeking independence from SUNY and, given the legislative control of SUNY would never achieve such a goal. What they are after is something more akin to the relationship between the US states and the federal government -- enough autonomy to manage their house in a responsible and appropriate manner. Like it or not, UB is already in the position of SUNY flagship and is darn close to being a "name brand" university. There is a price to be paid for attending such a university. The happy thing about SUNY is that if a strong student doesn't wish to pay the price for attending UB, there are still other very fine colleges and universities to which the student might apply.