Report Finds Immigration Agents Broke Laws and Agency Rules in Home Raids

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illegal aliens do not have extended rights of due process; including warrents for search and seizure, and full appeals

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Mr_Bill wrote:

It has always been my understanding that illegal aliens do not have extended rights of due process; including warrents for search and seizure, and full appeals. I have always believed that they only have Human and Civil Rights, but limited Constitutional Rights.
Is there an Immigration Lawyer in the TOPIX readership who can knowledgably respond to this?
From the story, it sounds like the agents a were great bit to rambunctious, and should have more respect for these people's dignity and human rights. BUT, I'm not sure that warrants are necessary, if a known illegal alien is the target of the search. These illegals, after all, did break our laws, and are loqwering our standard of living and destroying our way of life; but as individuals, they are just trying to support their families.
In a perfect (Mr_Bill's) World; they would be sentenced to 6 months' hard labor ripping up the portions of the NAFTA SUPERHIGHWAY that were just completed in, and north of Texas.

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davisss13 wrote:

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I'm not sure. I don't like putting people into a legal limbo of sorts when it comes to the police or any other authority. That invites abuse.

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zoozi wrote:

Since it is civil and in regard to regulation, i.e. immigration regulation a warrant is likely not required. Yes, other people do get caught up. Mainly because they have been told by pro illegal immigration groups not to show their documents.
Legal immigrants are required by law to show their documents as required and to have them available. They can be deported if not. The pro illegal groups now realize that those laws can be enforced and I believe have stopped giving such bad advice to those legally here when with those that are illegally here.
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zoozi wrote:

Is what they don't want to talk about is that in their rush to "protect" the illegal aliens, criminals or not, criminals get free and continue the crimes or even worse.

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zoozi wrote:

They did get some ICE information under the FOIA, however, most of the "report" is anecdotal evidence and their view that if it happens once or twice, it must be wide spread.
It isn't widespread, they know how limited the rights of those illegally in the country are, but they want to show us how evil and corrupt law enforcement are so we get scared and let them push through amnesty and further restrictions on law enforcement so the laws are useless.

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ICE wrote:

As one of the agents involved, who is also being sued as part of a class-action lawsuit filed against ICE by illegal alien advocates, I find this article to be totally one-sided, and full of false information. The homes we went to supposedly housed gang members, so we were armed, as all law enforcement officers are. We didn't break down any doors, they were opened for us, and we entered with the consent of the occupants, so no warrants were needed. If no gang members were present, but other illegal aliens were, they were also taken into custody, because that is our job. Mulvey and Suozzi, neither of whom were there, were totally off-base in their criticisms, and pandered to certain political constituencies. This is just part of an ongoing effort to emasculate ICE and deter enforcement of our immigration laws, by certain special interest groups. This "report" is mostly one-sided pro-illegal alien propaganda, and should be viewed skeptically, because the authors have an agenda.

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I believe in here lies part of the solution to the problem. Those without documents must be required to apply for an ID. After all, we are all identified by numbers too.

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davisss13 wrote:

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Sure buddy. So there can be no criticism of law enforcement because they get some illegals? I'm not for amnesty but I sure the hell am not willing to give up the Constitution or reasonable restrictions on police.
Eventually the 'freedom' you want to give the authorities will be abused. It happens every time.

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zoozi wrote:

Migration Policy Institute wrote several reports on 9/11 as I recall too. How wrong and evil it was for those that had overstayed or come in illegally to be detained until cleared after 9/11.
After all, their rights were more important then stopping another attack, then finding those involved, or even the many lives lost.
I have always felt, and continue to do so, that the law and law enforcement were there to protect the innocent, not the guilty. Call me foolish, but I am under no misconception that our law exists so those that commit crimes can be allowed to escape justice, and along with it sue law enforcement, or this country for actually trying to do something about their breaking the law.
The report assumes that the detainees never lie, and ICE, as well as other law enforcement always lie when conflicting statements occur.
Yes, I have a problem with that. I do not consider it Constitutional in itself.
Further, ICE people should be able to take this report, its individual writers, and the MPI to court in a lawsuit as well.
The criticism should be justified.
For example, the report could be more balanced rather then claim guilt when it hasn't been proven and based only upon a few cases that have not been criminally tried.
"While we are concerned about some reported incidents, there were not widespread incidents in the reports"
"Among the detained people there were widespread alleged cases of wrongdoing, however the ICE reports do not show the same case."
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Thank you for your performance of your duty to enforce the just and sovereign laws of our country. I have every confidence that the charges against you will be found frivolous. Illegal aliens and their supporters are looking for publicity, and will do/say anything to further the globalist cause of flooding our country with foreign nationals. I'm very sorry that you and others doing the job you were supposed to do were targeted for persecution by these traitors and criminals.
The New York Times will pander to illegal supporters, being the globalist rag that it is. Coverage of any legal procedings will be biased and incomplete in the future, as well. The internet is the only place US citizens get any kind of truth. Please keep us posted on these boards or a web page. You have the majority of the American people backing you. Anything we can do to help, let us know. You'll have it.
As a citizen and someone who has relatives in law enforcement, I back you 100%. And if your traitorous HS director, Janet (let all of Mexico in) Napolitano should get fired for not upholding or enforcing US law, I'd be overjoyed and the USA would be far better for it.