Shriners enabled Lapeer girl to walk; grateful for help

catwomen wrote:

When we had school prayer, we never saw school violence on the level it has been since prayer was taken out. We also saw an upcline in violent crimes as a whole, and we have seen family values & morals decline since it was taken out, such as family memebers killing each other more often, more drug abuse, more suicides, more abortions, more disease. The whole nation has fell off a cliff, for lack of better words. Is it all connected, I think so. Lets start a nation wide pettition to get prayer back in schools and get this nation back on track.
What do liberals, atheist, evolutionist have in common? Their all socialist. Look at foreign countrys.

catwomen wrote:

When we had school prayer, we never saw school violence on the level it has been since prayer was taken out.

Kobo wrote:

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I'm ignoring the rest of the post because frankly this was the meat of the thread.
You offer no statistics, no backing on your theory so I am left to research where one would come up with such an idea.
I'm still looking.
School violence is caused by neglectful lack of parenting, psychotropic drugs prescribed to children, and a number of other reasons. What it does not include is lack of school prayer.
NOTHING is preventing you from praying at your school, workplace, shopping trip to the grocery, Hannah Montana concert, or while hunting wild bears. But organized religion has no business in public schools.
When I hear about public prayer, I'm always reminded of Matthew 6:5
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."
PS. Statistically, school is the safest place for children to be.
Students are more likely to be victims of violence outside of school than inside.
School-related violence is on the decline.
Look it up.

Kobo wrote:

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I'm ignoring the rest of the post because frankly this was the meat of the thread.
You offer no statistics, no backing on your theory so I am left to research where one would come up with such an idea.
I'm still looking.
School violence is caused by neglectful lack of parenting, psychotropic drugs prescribed to children, and a number of other reasons. What it does not include is lack of school prayer.
NOTHING is preventing you from praying at your school, workplace, shopping trip to the grocery, Hannah Montana concert, or while hunting wild bears. But organized religion has no business in public schools.
When I hear about public prayer, I'm always reminded of Matthew 6:5
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."
PS. Statistically, school is the safest place for children to be.
Students are more likely to be victims of violence outside of school than inside.
School-related violence is on the decline.
Look it up.

well wrote:

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I feel the scripture you quoted in Matthew 6:5 means those that pray in vain, only to been seen by others hoping to be commended for it, have no reward. If you pray in public really meaning what you're praying from the heart, I believe God will honor that and you will be blessed. If you are praying in public only to be putting on a show, that is when there is no reward.
God loves you & so do I!!!

Gamer84 wrote:

Do you have any facts to back this up or are you just basing this on your own opinion? Are you aware that there is mandatory school prayer in schools in many countries in the middle east? It certainly doesn't seem to be helping them tone down their violence in or out of school. I just don't see the point of the whole school prayer debate, there's nowhere in the Bible that says you have to have pray in a specific manner, you can do it any place and any time. There's no law saying you can't have prayer with your children right before school, or that they can't have prayer before every class as long as it isn't taking up class time. School is for learning math, science, history, English, etc. If you want your kids to spend the whole day praying you should home school then or send them to a private Christian school.

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What religion do they practice? The murder of innocent people, have you forgot that dreadful day of infamy of 9/11?

I ve noticed wrote:

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What religion do they practice? The murder of innocent people, have you forgot that dreadful day of infamy of 9/11?

Gamer84 wrote:

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Countless people have been killed to further one Christian agenda or another. Ever hear of the Salem witch trials? How about the Spanish Inquisition? The Crusades? 9/11 is just a drop in the bucket compared to those events, but would it be fair to judge you and everyone who practices your religion because of the violent actions of others?
That's all missing the point though, in order to have mandatory prayer in schools you have to accommodate ALL religion, not just yours. It's simply unfair (and un-Constitutional) to have a Christian prayer in a public school. Imagine if your kids were required to participate in Muslim prayer every day at school. Would you be willing to accept that? Of course not, so how do you expect people of other religions to accept your prayers being said in school?

Kobo wrote:

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((GID, here is a link of all the various versions on the verse if that was what you were looking for, if not let me know: http://bible.cc/matthew/6-5.htm ))
I completely see that in the verse as well, and if everyone that would be praying had the same faith and conviction of those who are asking for school prayer, I think it would be awesome. This is why I'm not adverse to volunteer prayer groups in school. If kids want to get together as Christians then awesome. But if a group of Wiccans for example want that same right, you have to let them. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Back to the verse I quoted, let me say again, if kids would like to have a prayer group and are into it, great, but public prayer time mandated is worthless. It's standing around "being seen praying" as mentioned in the verse. Here is a quote also from the link provided above:
People's New Testament
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be, etc. The second example of the right and wrong kind of righteousness is now given. That men ought to pray is assured. The wrong way is that of the hypocrites, the men who make a public show of their devotions that they may have the name of sanctity.
Love to pray standing in the synagogues. These love not to pray, but to pray where they will be seen, and pray that they may be seen. So the Pharisees took pains to be in some public place, where they could strike an attitude of prayer in the sight of many observers. The same spirit is often seen still.
This is why I question the need to have school prayer, the requirement to be seen praying.
Because I'll tell you honest, every kid in school is praying silently before a pop quiz.
Jesus and I love you too :) So does Buddha, Krishna, and Lao Tzu...but not so much Kali, she can be a !@#$% sometimes.

Gamer84 wrote:

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Countless people have been killed to further one Christian agenda or another. Ever hear of the Salem witch trials? How about the Spanish Inquisition? The Crusades? 9/11 is just a drop in the bucket compared to those events, but would it be fair to judge you and everyone who practices your religion because of the violent actions of others?
That's all missing the point though, in order to have mandatory prayer in schools you have to accommodate ALL religion, not just yours. It's simply unfair (and un-Constitutional) to have a Christian prayer in a public school. Imagine if your kids were required to participate in Muslim prayer every day at school. Would you be willing to accept that? Of course not, so how do you expect people of other religions to accept your prayers being said in school?

dode wrote:

This thread is based on one person's opinion. The facts do not back this up. Another typical thread on topix. I understand you feeling persecuted for your beliefs, but think about when schools were being integrated racially for the first time. Black teenagers were being persecuted in the South because of their skin color. Nothing they could control, but white Christians believed the "lower class" citizens of a different color did not belong in their schools. There is a lot wrong with the Christian hierarchy in this country, and blind followers make it that much worse. Have you or your children ever been persecuted to where you were beaten or in some extreme cases made a martyr for your beliefs? Black teenagers were drug behind cars and abused physically and most definitely verbally. Practice your religion, if you're persecuted SUCK IT UP. Its America, free country, free speech, and most definitely free persecution. Good day.

I know wrote:

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You're a fool, we should have prayer time and the pupils could pray to who ever they want, the "atheist" could do whatever.

I know wrote:

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Hey dumbass, that wasn't christians, it was the kkk.

I know wrote:

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You're a fool, we should have prayer time and the pupils could pray to who ever they want, the "atheist" could do whatever.