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Old Hawaiian
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The broken legal system will go nowhere with this. And, the "Ainokea" generation will continue to self-destruct.
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Okole Maluna
AOL
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Close the bar down. Gutless Liquor Commissioners. On the take again!!!!!!!!
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Been There Done That
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Oh wait now.....UNCLE bought the beer for Wilcox, now we have a whole new story. $2,000 fine is a slap on the wrist... any bar who serves liquor to minors should be permanently shut down, and they shouldnt be able to open another busy under a different Club Name.
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Richard Richardson
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Truly a sad incident. Sounds like the Uncle bought the kid some alcohol. What happened in the parking lot is the real problem. He was trying to stop a fight. Whether the boy had been drinking shouldn't even be a concern. That his life was taken by someone is the crime that matters. The rest is just what happened before the real crime was committed.
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Get Real
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Looking to blame anyone but the guilty party again. Come on the guy who did the stabbing was of legal age. The kid was the victim, Get Real.
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BrutalHonesty
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I agree that this is a tragedy and someone lost their life because of it. But if "A" didn't happen, then "B" wouldn't have happened either.
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Pocho
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Does the Uncle face criminal charges purchasing liquor for his nephew? I would assume the mother to be mad at the uncle in purchasing liquor for her minor son. Why isn't the reporter informing us on this? I mean if you fine the Bar, shouldn't the Uncle face some consequences? If the uncle didn't purchase the liquor in the first place maybe he'd still be with us. This is definately no a "what came first, the chicken or the egg". First the Uncle asked to buy the liquor - mistake #1 Second the Bar supplied the liqour upon the Uncles request - mistake #2
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RAH
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It also goes back to the home. Raise your kids right and they will steer away from trouble - underaged, going to a bar in the first place. (I'm not talking about intervening in the parking lot.)
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RAH
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Pocho wrote: Does the Uncle face criminal charges purchasing liquor for his nephew?
I would assume the mother to be mad at the uncle in purchasing liquor for her minor son. Why isn't the reporter informing us on this? I mean if you fine the Bar, shouldn't the Uncle face some consequences? If the uncle didn't purchase the liquor in the first place maybe he'd still be with us. This is definately no a "what came first, the chicken or the egg".
First the Uncle asked to buy the liquor - mistake #1
Second the Bar supplied the liqour upon the Uncles request - mistake #2 #1 should be that the boy used poor judgment and went to the bar.
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westside
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the "child" was 19, that means adult bar got to follow the rules --- but let's not shift the blame from the guy that stabbed him and also you don't get to .218 by being forced to go there
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bipolar
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Korean bars are the source for protsitution and illegal gambling, Lots of low class individuals ferquent these establishment. The koearn girls are bassically hustlers and pay no taxes on thier 20$ nicohana drinks. Liquor inspectors are on the take from Mama so they get away with serving minors, and other regulations. Hostesses are not suppose to drink but at that 20$ a pop most of them do. Get rid of any Korean bars in your neighborhood and the area turns back to normal.
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Poponut
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One witness said the Uncle was talking to the suspect but not much more detail is available. It would be interesting as the story unfolds if there were "words" between the Uncle and victim prior to the stabbing. The article is vague in parts and fodder for speculation.
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what the ----
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Blaming the bar? For serving alcohol to a minor, not the stabbing. Yes, they share part of the blame if they knew he was underage. Lots of fake IDs out there, though. And didn't Wilcox, at age 19, know the law about the legal (drinking) age is 21? It's easy to blame someone else for getting drunk but the person consuming the alcohol is at fault...whether he's 19 or 21.
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Concerned
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Looking for someone to blame, what about uncle for starting the chain of events, providing liquid courage that went terribly wrong
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charles
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Unlike some of you in here, I wasn't at the bar at the night of the tragedy nor do I attend the liquor commission's proceedings.
But surely the young man who died needlessly knew he shouldn't drink in a bar since he was underaged.
That doesn't in any way explain what happened in the parking lot but I suspect the fact he knowingly got intoxicated had at least some influence on the resultant tragedy.
But like I said, I don't know all the facts since I wasn't there.
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Wacko
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Why do they blame the bar? The investigators go there to have a few drinks for free. Were they in there that night?
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Bob_Mililani
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Think about it this way. Drinking in the bar and parking lot, two separate issues. Mother blames bar instead of realizing son had responsibility for his own actions. Typical of many in our society today. Son was old enough to realize right from wrong. He elected to take a chance and do wrong. Uncle should take a jerk for his part as a bad influence. Other issues such as the Liquor Commission, etc. are peripheral to the main event.
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Kumpai
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Cheaper and safer to buy alcohol beverages and drink at home. Have couple steaks on the grill with some poke. If fortunate kanikapila or play radio.
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Mokebla
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There's always two sides to a story and two wrong don't make a right.Four bad choice's were made that night and all four need to suffer from it. The killer, the victim, the uncle and the bar. Good kids don't go out drinking, uncles giving under age nephew drinks is no role model, bar owners out to make a buck, and felon breaking TRO and wife lying. They all deserve one another.
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nani
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why did the UNCLE bring him into the bar in the first place? common sense tells you that an older family member brings in a younger person in a bar and get him/her drunk?.. put some pressure on the UNCLE too..and yes, close down that bar...Liquor cant replace LIFE!
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