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jway wrote:

<quoted text> Absurd my but.With 40 to 60 thousand abortions coming up after the holiday flings an the tax payers footing the bill an they wont more ,money/Thanks Lux for your post all is true.I am not saying do away with PPH but make it transparent.But that wont happen just like "obuma" promised.Ms. MORGAN you are absolutely correct.That is what I tried to explain to Ben. Things that are not taught in most schools.Such as self respect respect of others responsibility an accountability for our own actions.They need to teach more sex ed along with more parental involvement. To many teachers use to much physiology blaming it all on there environment along with blaming people places and things for what they do. I stead of you are responsible for your own actions. Merry Christmas. But bah humbug to to the atheist. We had better get our ship in order , or Old Ros en Johnie will make ya a believer or stoned dead none believer/

When you can finally present a coherent post, let me know. The above was just more nonsense that said absolutely NOTHING.

Ocean56 wrote:

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Awwwwwww, sounds like you are just **** that I DIDN'T have either an unwanted pregnancy or an STD as a teenager or an adult. Too bad.
Planned Parenthood has worked just fine for me and many other women. If you're so opposed to PP, you aren't forced to use it's services. You just don't get to deny anyone ELSE the right to use them.

Again, how about we talk about the facts. Why did the parmaceutical company Meric invest hundreds of thousands of dollars and man hours developing and manufacturing the Gardisil vaccine? Gardisil prevents; cervical, vulvar and vaginal cancers; precancerous or dysplastic lesions and genital warts. These conditions are caused by HPV types 6,11,16 and 18 which are sexually transmitted. Even if you carry HPV virus you might never contract cancer, but your lack of cancer does not mean that you are not a carrier and you could be responsible for spreding it to your partners who will in turn give it to all of theirs and they could develope cancer.
Meric who makes Gardisil recommends that all girls between the ages of 9-26 be given three doses, at a cost of about $375 dollars. So Meric is making a sizeable profit betting that girls will not be smart enough to have sex with only one partner who in turn has only had sex with them. They are also know that it isn't a safe bet that all of those free condoms are going to be used every time. Meric is pretty smart, because the facts are, that condoms are not being used inspite of the 37 years of hard work by Fielder to give area youth all the "facts of life" and free "protection". If Planned Parenthood worked, we would no longer need its services. If abstanance and natural family planning worked then we would not need Planned Parenthoods services. What people do not understand is that youth respond to clear, consistent messages and information. That means: 1) keeping our children engaged in some type morality education in the form faith based and or family values. 2) Requiring that our children receieve accurate biological and social information in the context of a biology/zoology class, and continuing that information across the curriculum during their entire formal education. 3) Requiring our schools to reintegrate ethics (not religious) into the curriculum, this could be done in the Diversity Dducation class required at BUHS.4) The entire community insisting that the use of drugs and alcohol by anyone under 21 not happen ever. 5) and the most important one of all, parents need to say No and keep saying it and saying it and saying it. If we fail to get that message across, we are condeming our children and ruining their social, physical and economic welfare!

<<1) keeping our children engaged in some type morality education in the form faith based and or family values.>>

Like Charles Manson's family and their "family values?" Charlie was a christian.... He got the entire idea to kill Terry Melcher based on the Book of Revelation.

Whose morality are we to teach and enforce? Yours? Mine? Mr. Manson's?

<<<2) Requiring that our children receieve accurate biological and social information in the context of a biology/zoology class, and continuing that information across the curriculum during their entire formal education.>>

I had science in school. That included biology. I don't work in the scientific filed, but I know a lot about evolution, cosmology and abiogenesis.

In the past, I worked in the medical field and we had some classes on ethics. Mostly it dealt with patient confidentiality and patient abandonment, and not breaching the standard of care.

<<< 3) Requiring our schools to reintegrate ethics (not religious) into the curriculum, this could be done in the Diversity Dducation class required at BUHS.4) >>

Whose "ethics" are the ones to use? There are a few posters who think ethically it would be better for their daughters to die than to have a life saving abortion. Should we enforce THEIR "ethics?"

Every field has it's own ethics. I had to take legal ethics as part of my law curriculum. Doctors have a code of ethics. Scientists have their code of ethics. Teachers have a code of ethics.

<<<The entire community insisting that the use of drugs and alcohol by anyone under 21 not happen ever. 5)>>

Under pain of what?

It is impossible to keep kids from booze and drugs unless you execute every one who violates your anti substance abuse rule. Even people in prison can get booze and drugs!

<<<and the most important one of all, parents need to say No and keep saying it and saying it and saying it. If we fail to get that message across, we are condeming our children and ruining their social, physical and economic welfare! >>

It is a proven fact that "Just say no" doesn't work: http://www.indiana.edu/~engs/articles/drughys...

and: http://www.chiprowe.com/articles/just-say-no-...

PastorBobLaw666 wrote:

<<1) keeping our children engaged in some type morality education in the form faith based and or family values.>>
Like Charles Manson's family and their "family values?" Charlie was a christian.... He got the entire idea to kill Terry Melcher based on the Book of Revelation.
Whose morality are we to teach and enforce? Yours? Mine? Mr. Manson's?
<<<2) Requiring that our children receieve accurate biological and social information in the context of a biology/zoology class, and continuing that information across the curriculum during their entire formal education.>>
I had science in school. That included biology. I don't work in the scientific filed, but I know a lot about evolution, cosmology and abiogenesis.
In the past, I worked in the medical field and we had some classes on ethics. Mostly it dealt with patient confidentiality and patient abandonment, and not breaching the standard of care.
<<< 3) Requiring our schools to reintegrate ethics (not religious) into the curriculum, this could be done in the Diversity Dducation class required at BUHS.4) >>
Whose "ethics" are the ones to use? There are a few posters who think ethically it would be better for their daughters to die than to have a life saving abortion. Should we enforce THEIR "ethics?"
Every field has it's own ethics. I had to take legal ethics as part of my law curriculum. Doctors have a code of ethics. Scientists have their code of ethics. Teachers have a code of ethics.
<<<The entire community insisting that the use of drugs and alcohol by anyone under 21 not happen ever. 5)>>
Under pain of what?
It is impossible to keep kids from booze and drugs unless you execute every one who violates your anti substance abuse rule. Even people in prison can get booze and drugs!
<<<and the most important one of all, parents need to say No and keep saying it and saying it and saying it. If we fail to get that message across, we are condeming our children and ruining their social, physical and economic welfare! >>
It is a proven fact that "Just say no" doesn't work: http://www.indiana.edu/~engs/articles/drughys...
and: http://www.chiprowe.com/articles/just-say-no-...

Hence the aditional 5 I listed along with telling our children No. Telloing our kids no is different from telling our children to just say no. One is parenting and the other is the child listening and acting upon the parenting.

PPFA Demographics (facts):

PPFA is the largest abortion provider in the United States with some 850 clinics across the Country. At 244,628 on average abortions per year at a cost of $400. per abortion. 34% of its clinic income each year is from surgical abortions. That is 138 abortions for every adoption referal to an outside agency. Tax payer funding is at $305.3 million with a total PPFA income of $902.8 million.
1/3 of their clients are girls younger than 18 years old and aproximatly 97% qualify for federal assistance. So I am assuming that 1/3 of their clients do not hold a high school diploma.

Merry Christmas wrote:

PPFA Demographics (facts):
PPFA is the largest abortion provider in the United States with some 850 clinics across the Country. At 244,628 on average abortions per year at a cost of $400. per abortion. 34% of its clinic income each year is from surgical abortions. That is 138 abortions for every adoption referal to an outside agency. Tax payer funding is at $305.3 million with a total PPFA income of $902.8 million.
1/3 of their clients are girls younger than 18 years old and aproximatly 97% qualify for federal assistance. So I am assuming that 1/3 of their clients do not hold a high school diploma.

" Thank you," Now miss Ocean56 see if this is coherent. Just what I have been saying an the other 1/3 is going with some one or is married, so why do they need more tax payer money when there income is $902.8 million.I just looked it up. There has been 40 million abortions since 1976. An old Vermont saying if ya dont wont to get knocked up keep ya legs crossed/

Abortion is a tragedy every time it happens. It means that someone made a bad choice, or the planning didn't work, or someone is in trouble. Those women don't come out of the clinic smiling. They're often depressed and in pain.

The trouble with the anti-abortion zealots is that they think passing a law against it is the solution. That never has stopped abortion, either in the U.S. or in any other country. It just drives abortion underground, where it's even more dangerous to the lives of mothers and fetuses.

If you don't like abortion, forget about super-simple non-solutions like outlawing it, and get off your butts and do something that works, like providing education for girls and boys about what exactly sex is and what it leads to. Work to make sure contraception is available to everyone. That's what Planned Parenthood does. And if you made a bad mistake, or something didn't work the way it was supposed to and you're in deep trouble, PP is there for you then too.

<<An old Vermont saying if ya dont wont to get knocked up keep ya legs crossed/>>

An old Philly saying: If you don't want to pay child support, keep your yelda in your pants!

<<Abortion is a tragedy every time it happens.>>

No it isn't. It's a medical procedure. Having a deformed fetus is a tragedy every time it happens.

<<< It means that someone made a bad choice, or the planning didn't work, or someone is in trouble.>>

Abortion only means the end of an unwanted pregnancy!

<<<Those women don't come out of the clinic smiling. They're often depressed and in pain.>>

Baloney! I know, I know, I've heard all the arguments: Abortion stops a beating heart. It's a child, not a choice. Every life is precious. Well, I don't care what the pro-lifers say... I am totally psyched for this abortion!

Like I said, my decision to terminate my pregnancy isn't for lack of hearing the opposing view. I'm exposed to pro-life messages all the time—on billboards, in magazines and on television. And I certainly didn't miss that angry crowd of picketers shouting at me as I was happily skipping to the women's health clinic to make the appointment for my big day. Those pro-life activists made it pretty clear that, unlike me, they actually think abortion is bad and to be avoided. Are they nuts? Abortion is the best!

As I pushed my way through the crowd, one of the picketers yelled, "How could you do this? How could you kill a child?" What? It's more like, "How could I wait this long?" It wasn't until now that I was lucky enough to be pregnant with a child I had no means to support. I tell you, for a long time, I thought it would never happen to me!

So, to all of you pro-lifers who are trying to rain on my parade, keep it to yourself, because I don't have the time for that kind of negativity. I've got an abortion to plan, and I just know it's going to be the best non-anesthetized invasive uterine surgery ever!

The funny thing is, I actually have the pro-life movement to thank for this opportunity. If my HMO wouldn't have bowed to their pressure not to cover oral contraceptives, I never would've gotten pregnant in the first place. Then what would I be doing a week from Thursday? I'll tell you what I wouldn't be doing: going to an awesome abortion clinic where I'll be the center of attention from the minute I put my feet up in those stirrups. I wouldn't be looking forward to induced dilation of my cervical opening and suctioning of my uterus, either. And I sure as heck wouldn't get the chance to have a doctor insert a metal instrument into my womb to dislodge tissue from my uterine wall!

I seriously cannot wait for all the hemorrhaging and the uterine contractions. This abortion is going to be so amazing. I'm definitely taking lots of pictures so I can remember every last detail of the whole experience for years to come and share my great memories with all of my friends, family and co-workers. What an easy decision this was!

I realize there are people who will criticize me, calling me selfish and immature because I took "the easy way out." I realize there are those who will condemn me to hell for what I'm about to do. Well, I don't care what they say: It's worth it for all the fun and laughs I'm going to have at the clinic. So listen up, world: I'm pro-abortion... and I love it! See you at my post-abortion party, everybody!

Merry Christmas wrote:

If Planned Parenthood worked, we would no longer need its services. If abstanance and natural family planning worked then we would not need Planned Parenthoods services. What people do not understand is that youth respond to clear, consistent messages and information. That means: 1) keeping our children engaged in some type morality education in the form faith based and or family values. 2) Requiring that our children receieve accurate biological and social information in the context of a biology/zoology class, and continuing that information across the curriculum during their entire formal education. 3) Requiring our schools to reintegrate ethics (not religious) into the curriculum, this could be done in the Diversity Dducation class required at BUHS.4) The entire community insisting that the use of drugs and alcohol by anyone under 21 not happen ever. 5) and the most important one of all, parents need to say No and keep saying it and saying it and saying it. If we fail to get that message across, we are condeming our children and ruining their social, physical and economic welfare!

Planned Parenthood DOES work, as I said before. It just doesn't conform to YOUR absurd demands, which is too blinking bad. If you don't like PP, you aren't forced to use its services, and I'm sure the group won't miss you.

As to "just saying no," that's another failed message if you and other moralistic morons don't tell teenagers WHY having sex in middle and high school, without protection, is a BAD idea. Teenagers are not little children and the "because I say so" mentality that too many parents insist on using no longer applies. Parents need to be a lot more detailed when talking to teenagers and give them all the facts they need to make an INFORMED decision, rather than allowing them to operate in ignorance. When they refuse to do this, they shouldn't be so surprised when THEIR teenage daughter ends up pregnant.

Joe wrote:

They don't seem to have done much, lots of unplanned births still happen. It's easy enough to see with all the single mothers on government aid that no planning went into being a parent. Another waste of money do nothing agency.

I think they have helped more and more young girls to plan out-of-marriage pregnancies and childbirths.