Supervisor favors studying septic tank pollution in Beaumont/Cherry Valley

The supervisors forget that they, or whoever else is in charge of development requirements for Cherry Valley, ALLOWED every single home thier to be built with septic tanks. Those who move into those already approved and inspected homes are not at fault for having a septic tank. People in Beaumont just pulled the lucky card that sewer lines were installed before the homes there were built. Have an outside agency come in and do better testing on the CV wells, not some agency in the pocket of the prior management of the water district who is now gone due to "problems" with a capital S. No one is against sewers if neccesary- they are against having to pay $20,000 up front, or $40,000 for payments to have one for their home, or that the water tests done for this same prior management which casts a major shadow on their authenticity. How would Beaumont citizens feel if all of a sudden it was announced that their septic system had been built sub par and that they were now going to have to come up with 10's of thousands of dollars out of their own pockets to fix it, instead of finding out whose fault it was and holding them accountable? Or is the attitude going to be- it didn't happen to me so I don't care if it happens to you.

In response to Sally. Do you think an "Agency" registered with the state would really jeopardize their license with the state for a few thousand dollars? I dont think so. I am sure that they have other clients that would drop them like a hot rock if they falsified results that are to be seen by health department officals for review at any time they like.You must not be a long time resident of Beaumont. If you have you must have forgot when the city had to upgrade their sewer system several years back because it was not up to standards to meet the demand of the city. And it was not thousands of dollars it was a few million.And I do think that all the newer development will be paying for this for a long time. It sure is nice to flush a toilet in the city and not worry about or drinking water.If you have read any of the past articles about this you would also know that C.V. is not polluting their water but they are polluting the cities water. Check with the water co. to see where all the water comes from and how the different areas of the whole system is served. I did a few years back when all of this BS started. I was very upset to learn Beaumont drinks water from CV wells (where the problems are with the wells from what I understand) and CV's water comes from the upper part of CV and almost to Oak Glen. Do so home work before jumping to conclusions,it might open up your thinking a little. Unless you are closed minded, which I hope you are not. Good luck with your research.I hope that the new water co. officals know as much about the system and its works as the "prior management" and will help you about the works of the system.

Yes the city did spend millions on updates look at contractor involved it was all done the same way as the water district no real bid just hand out work the good ol boy way, the crook's at the water district are gone now it's time to get rid of the crooks at the city as the good ol boy system is still in place look at who does all the st lights one company only the same company that rents to the people handing out all the work

To get a real job. What do the city lights have to do with Cherry Valley septic systems? Just a little information about the well water in Cherry Valley Water ( A small water district which is not a part of BCVWD which is north of Orchard ave. and west of Mountain View). If you go to the BCVWD website and read the agenda for August 12 board meeting,you will see that their water is contaminated from septic use and they are asking to be served by BCVWD. It sounds like if their water is bad then it would make sense that the water next door would be bad also. Just a thought.

WDS wrote:

To get a real job. What do the city lights have to do with Cherry Valley septic systems? Just a little information about the well water in Cherry Valley Water ( A small water district which is not a part of BCVWD which is north of Orchard ave. and west of Mountain View). If you go to the BCVWD website and read the agenda for August 12 board meeting,you will see that their water is contaminated from septic use and they are asking to be served by BCVWD. It sounds like if their water is bad then it would make sense that the water next door would be bad also. Just a thought.

Yes, septic tanks are not as perfect as a sewer system, but the point that is missed by those yelling about it is that only some people will get hit with the huge bill to install one, and not everyone who should. Some of the loudest people yelling about the quality of the water are those who live or have lived in Cherry Valley and contributed their fair share to the problem, yet not one of them is going to pay for any fix. All the prior water district management, water district employees and board members- who live or haved lived on the hill with their families for YEARS with a septic tank should have to pony up a share of the cost. And those who moved from Cherry Valley and now reside in Beaumont are the worst, for after all, their own sewage is only coming down after them. And, the newest focus on the water quality of the basin is how the over development of Beaumont has lowered its water level, thus concentrating the contaminate levels. Who wants to drink the last dregs in the glass? And who is going to take responsibility for selling off more than they should have of a commonly owned water basin? The water quality panel has already reached their conclusion about Cherry Valley's impact on the water quality- yet Beaumont with all their bragging about how the recession has missed them, and their stockpiles of ready money, has yet to bring in an outside agency to do a better study. For an outside agency not in their employ will mention the depletion of the basin as a contributing factor to water quality concerns. Just ask anyone from another water district- or read their post here.

WDS wrote:

In response to Sally. Do you think an "Agency" registered with the state would really jeopardize their license with the state for a few thousand dollars? I dont think so. I am sure that they have other clients that would drop them like a hot rock if they falsified results that are to be seen by health department officals for review at any time they like.You must not be a long time resident of Beaumont. If you have you must have forgot when the city had to upgrade their sewer system several years back because it was not up to standards to meet the demand of the city. And it was not thousands of dollars it was a few million.And I do think that all the newer development will be paying for this for a long time. It sure is nice to flush a toilet in the city and not worry about or drinking water.If you have read any of the past articles about this you would also know that C.V. is not polluting their water but they are polluting the cities water. Check with the water co. to see where all the water comes from and how the different areas of the whole system is served. I did a few years back when all of this BS started. I was very upset to learn Beaumont drinks water from CV wells (where the problems are with the wells from what I understand) and CV's water comes from the upper part of CV and almost to Oak Glen. Do so home work before jumping to conclusions,it might open up your thinking a little. Unless you are closed minded, which I hope you are not. Good luck with your research.I hope that the new water co. officals know as much about the system and its works as the "prior management" and will help you about the works of the system.

Yes, the same prior management who used their septic systems dead center on top of ground zero of our water aquifer for 20 plus years without a qualm. How much will are you going to ask them to contribute to fix their share of the problem? Remember someone's political platform, "Beaumont won't pay for Cherry Valley sewers"? What will be his share for all the time he lived in Cherry Valley with a septic tank? Or is it as simple as that? Just move to Beaumont and every toilet flush during previous years magically vanishes? With that line of reasoning one would believe that moving Beaumont's boundary line up the hill would solve the problem. Lets read the results of the water quality panels investigation. They found that the prior study had numerous mistakes. So, lets get a water expert from Cherry Valley instead of one now in the employ of Beaumont to perform another one. After all, according to your own statement, anyone registered with the state is trustworthy, and practicing what you preach is a gift beyond compare.

Stirling. What do you think of what I just heard? If you are so upset at the way the old management ran things it is my understanding that a past employee is going to run for the water board. I dont know who but it should really be a blow to the present board of idiots. GOOD LUCK TO THAT PERSON come election time.

Sorry, could care less. Bigger news is around the corner. San Jacinto could use the break. Oh- too bad Tony Lara is now stating that Wildermuth never got their info from the district, and he disclaims the nitrate sources. Ouch. And he was Butcher right hand man. Makes the game that is about to be played regarding the recycled water promises that the city made to the water district even more fun and interesting to follow.

their just pissed because septic tank owners dont pay a sewer line fee.
leave these homeowners alone.
I had a septic tank on an acre and as long as you empty it every 2-4 years, there isnt a problem.
I am sick of all these greedy monoply companies that hold taxpayers hostige.
some politician is getting their hands greased on this one.

COCO: It is not the septic tank that is the problem,its is the leach field. You can have the septic tank pumped every day and that will not stop the liquid from seeping into the ground water.
Stirling:I understand that you are from Beaumont.Is that right Calvin? You must know Mr. Lara quite well to have all the so-called facts. I do not think you have the correct information.Have you found out who the prospective person is to run for the board? If you have I would like to know the name or initials or something because I never heard the name just a past employee,which there are quite a few.

Sorry, not from Beaumont, not Calvin, not even a guy, and live high up enough on the hill that I am not in the sewer equation no matter who designs it. If you read the water district minutes you will see what Lara said. And Wildermuth, quite coincidently, ended up working for Beaumont right after the report they made. If you really knew what is behing this particular issue, you would know it has to do with money, and the few who have the stranglehold on almost all the work doled out in the area. That's where streetlights and paving and such are mentioned. Beaumont development is slowed to a trickle, and there are millions to made in CV. Listen to KCAA and their pass politics programs for the past months. Even if you disagree, know that there are just as many who agree. Oh, when the recycled water is up and running, finally, it will be your parms and nitrates going into the basin. After all, there are limits to what the wastewater plant actually cleans up. That you will find on the city council own website, last agenda.

get a real job wrote:

Yes the city did spend millions on updates look at contractor involved it was all done the same way as the water district no real bid just hand out work the good ol boy way, the crook's at the water district are gone now it's time to get rid of the crooks at the city as the good ol boy system is still in place look at who does all the st lights one company only the same company that rents to the people handing out all the work

If you think all the "Crooks" are gone you must be mistaken. There was NEVER AT ANY TIME charges filed on or by any law official to the water board or employee. Now you could say that the malevolent members of a citizens group malicious spread of flagrant lie's caused the vote to be swayed but to say "Crooks" shows your ignorance.

stirling wrote:

Sorry, not from Beaumont, not Calvin, not even a guy, and live high up enough on the hill that I am not in the sewer equation no matter who designs it. If you read the water district minutes you will see what Lara said. And Wildermuth, quite coincidently, ended up working for Beaumont right after the report they made. If you really knew what is behing this particular issue, you would know it has to do with money, and the few who have the stranglehold on almost all the work doled out in the area. That's where streetlights and paving and such are mentioned. Beaumont development is slowed to a trickle, and there are millions to made in CV. Listen to KCAA and their pass politics programs for the past months. Even if you disagree, know that there are just as many who agree. Oh, when the recycled water is up and running, finally, it will be your parms and nitrates going into the basin. After all, there are limits to what the wastewater plant actually cleans up. That you will find on the city council own website, last agenda.

I just had to reply on one item. you said "when the recycled water system is up and running" that could be some time. If you have kept up with the B.I.D. you would know that the new board just let the money go that the old board and the state had set up. Now they have the stimulus money they could get but they dont have the money to make the payments( read the report from JCR) with out a B I G rate increase and did you know that the old loan and GRANT was to be payed back by the recycled water user not the potable user, so I dont know what your intrest in our town is knor do I care but you mite get your facts correct or know your topic

The new board did not "let" the money go- the Grand Jury report threw the state into a fit and they demanded more information about the misuse of public funds findings. By the time that request was given to the new board the money had been given to the next applicant in line. Now the stimulus money will finish the work necessary to hook up to the wastewater plant, and the contract to do so is in negotiations with the City of Beaumont. Just read the City's last agenda. The only holdup will be if the City decides to play games and tries to add some undiscussed and unagreed upon conditions at the last minute. Any rate increases by the new water board will come about due to the basin being emptied by all the new development in Beaumont, and the state water that Beaumont thought they would get to replace it not coming through. Blame the Beaumont council for betting on a water source coming in while letting ours go, which has led to a major shortfall. We all will have to pay for Beaumont tossing dice around, but if you want to blame the recycled water project go right ahead. As to no charges being filed- Pacheco is about to have a real tough time come election time for his refusal to accept plea deals for people he dislikes, and for not noticing the actions of those he does. Like who he endorsed, employees of that person, and what board that employee used to be on, etc. Not the kind of relations one wants their political opponents to know about come election time, is it? However, having people resign or get voted out,(some so mad that their houses are for sale), served the same purpose, and was much less messy. So, enough of this, time to move to the other forum. If you do find it, please bring a dictionary along. Unless, of course, you ARE a 7th grader in danger of failing English class.

WDS wrote:

Stirling. What do you think of what I just heard? If you are so upset at the way the old management ran things it is my understanding that a past employee is going to run for the water board. I dont know who but it should really be a blow to the present board of idiots. GOOD LUCK TO THAT PERSON come election time.

Yes you are correct when you say IDIOTS, who would let a 6 million dollar GRANT go has NO place on a board of directors.
We need a board that will help not hinder. What good have they done in the time they have been on the board? Can you tell me???

stirling wrote:

The new board did not "let" the money go- the Grand Jury report threw the state into a fit and they demanded more information about the misuse of public funds findings. By the time that request was given to the new board the money had been given to the next applicant in line. Now the stimulus money will finish the work necessary to hook up to the wastewater plant, and the contract to do so is in negotiations with the City of Beaumont. Just read the City's last agenda. The only holdup will be if the City decides to play games and tries to add some undiscussed and unagreed upon conditions at the last minute. Any rate increases by the new water board will come about due to the basin being emptied by all the new development in Beaumont, and the state water that Beaumont thought they would get to replace it not coming through. Blame the Beaumont council for betting on a water source coming in while letting ours go, which has led to a major shortfall. We all will have to pay for Beaumont tossing dice around, but if you want to blame the recycled water project go right ahead. As to no charges being filed- Pacheco is about to have a real tough time come election time for his refusal to accept plea deals for people he dislikes, and for not noticing the actions of those he does. Like who he endorsed, employees of that person, and what board that employee used to be on, etc. Not the kind of relations one wants their political opponents to know about come election time, is it? However, having people resign or get voted out,(some so mad that their houses are for sale), served the same purpose, and was much less messy. So, enough of this, time to move to the other forum. If you do find it, please bring a dictionary along. Unless, of course, you ARE a 7th grader in danger of failing English class.

Yes the money was lost buy the new board you NEED to read ALL the news papers and board minutes Mr. Ball and Lara Went several times to sac.after the 08 vote they were told what to do to get the money but failed. Paper said " The board sat on its hands and did nothing with several E-mails"
And yes we will have to pay for the boards screw up They do not know how to deal with State officals to get state funding
And for the rest of your ramble sounds like you have a need to cloud the issue with personnel attacks, that will not make it go away

WDS wrote:

Stirling. What do you think of what I just heard? If you are so upset at the way the old management ran things it is my understanding that a past employee is going to run for the water board. I dont know who but it should really be a blow to the present board of idiots. GOOD LUCK TO THAT PERSON come election time.

WDS,
idiots is correct looks like the A. G./ STATE has an investigation going on. wonder who will pay for this....... the rate payers

yellow belly is who lost the loan than ran. grand jury report in the 90's guilty
grand jury report in the 2000's guilty
same manager same results guilty, guilty. thats why he turned yellow belly and ran. right C J you and your puppets.

Why all the stink

Gone fishing wrote:

Why all the stink

The stink is cvan and all the tax payer money they put in there pockets, makes citys raise tax to pay for all the futile law suits