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Oct 16, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger

Man who shot at alleged purse-snatchers pleads guilty, gets probation

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It's too bad Webb didn't nail a six year old blonde girl in the eye ball with a stray round during his selfish attempt to regain possession of someone else's worn out, stinky, ten dollar purse with lipstick and other inexpensive sundries in it.

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Richard_ wrote:
It's too bad Webb didn't nail a six year old blonde girl in the eye ball with a stray round during his selfish attempt to regain possession of someone else's worn out, stinky, ten dollar purse with lipstick and other inexpensive sundries in it.
Was that remark supposed to be déclassé satire?

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Richard_ wrote:
It's too bad Webb didn't nail a six year old blonde girl in the eye ball with a stray round during his selfish attempt to regain possession of someone else's worn out, stinky, ten dollar purse with lipstick and other inexpensive sundries in it.
Yea well Dick, you keep your guns at home where they belong. We know your shooting skills would have blown her brains out. You can't hit the broad side of a barn.

Contrary to what the hoplophobes would say about this, some property is worth some deadly force.

If in doubt (all you conceal/carry experts and cop wannabes) use physical force, unless the perp is armed and could shoot someone. Otherwise it may be best to do nothing.

Hopefully, Webb will get his cc permit back.

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Seems a black-eye for the rest of us who carry. Just-what the antis live for.
But this begs some questions:
Is purse snatching a felony at that location, and if-so, were his actions pursuing and shooting at the snatcher technically proper? Did he injure the lady? And, would this outcome be the same if he had scored a hit to the offender?

While most of us may feel this action was unwise considering the scope of the situation, the legal technicalities are what matter. Of-course I am not giving him any gold stars for smarts if he indeed fired toward the bad-guys with no consideration of what was behind his target.

But, did he actually cross the line in textbook terms for basically shooting at fleeing felons? Probably not.

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I meant to say, was the lady injured by the purse snatcher? Although it may be a legal moot point, it still may have motivated all this if she was.

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Bubbletoes wrote:
I meant to say, was the lady injured by the purse snatcher? Although it may be a legal moot point, it still may have motivated all this if she was.
Good point. You can use your gun to prevent people from getting hurt (seriously injured.)

Example:(we should always try to help others, especially females and seniors). A guy is robbing a bank and is not pointing his gun at anyone. It is best to do nothing. Using your gun could injure someone. Attacking him could cause him to shoot. Let him have the cash. If the Bank really cared about the cash they would have armed security.

Same for Walmart: ignore petty thiefs UNLESS they're harming someone. No person should ignore it if a person is getting hurt. Using a gun (or deadly force) to protect another person's life is a good defense in court.

Deadly force is also justified when protecting property that is inherently dangerous. Blah, bla, bla.
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Bubbletoes wrote:
Seems a black-eye for the rest of us who carry. Just-what the antis live for.
But this begs some questions:
Is purse snatching a felony at that location, and if-so, were his actions pursuing and shooting at the snatcher technically proper? Did he injure the lady? And, would this outcome be the same if he had scored a hit to the offender?
While most of us may feel this action was unwise considering the scope of the situation, the legal technicalities are what matter. Of-course I am not giving him any gold stars for smarts if he indeed fired toward the bad-guys with no consideration of what was behind his target.
But, did he actually cross the line in textbook terms for basically shooting at fleeing felons? Probably not.
I would think that "purse snatching" which amounts to "Strong Armed Robbery" (or howver the local jurisdiction names such an offense)is a felony just about everywhere in this country, even disregarding the value of what may be in the purse.

Is it a "violent" felony justifying the use of deadly force? Probably not.

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Tory II wrote:
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Contrary to what the hoplophobes would say about this, some property is worth some deadly force.
If the purse contained the US Government's nuclear arsenal launch codes, you'd be correct; the needs of the many would then outweigh the needs of the shooter, whatever those may have been.

All he has to do now, during his one year probation is screw up once. A year is a long time.

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I would think that "purse snatching" which amounts to "Strong Armed Robbery" (or howver the local jurisdiction names such an offense)is a felony just about everywhere in this country, even disregarding the value of what may be in the purse.
Is it a "violent" felony justifying the use of deadly force? Probably not.
If the shooter was wearing the purse at the time, or if his wife was wearing the purse at the time and another person stepped out and said, "gimme that purse or I'm gonna stab ya!". Then, shooting the robber is an act of self defense. Shooting hime as he runs away, after the fact, is not self defense.

Additionally, one steps way out on a limb in defense of others, which is not the same as self defense. Therefore, if someone is running away from someone else after stealing their 10.00 dollar, 10 year old purse and you run off after them and commit another felony for some selfish reason, then you commit a crime and the robber commits a crime and you both need to go to jail.

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Did he injure the lady?
Show me which law that authorizes the first or second person PERSON to mete out retribution to another person for their alleged past tense harm to the first or second person?

It doensn't exist. DEFENSE is not OFFENSE and if you deal with someone else's ALLEGED robber in an OFFENSIVE manner, maybe they will be happy that you did that for them, however the state is going to be mad at you for putting a rip in the moral fabric of society and they will mend that rip with your ass in a sewing machine.

Additionally, if my loved ones or myself were to be harmed by a overly attendant person who may or may not have a ccw, you can kiss your house and anything you own good bye, because the law firm I retain to seek out justice for my harm is going to have some pretty good professional asset finders to find your stuff.

So go ahead, shoot your gun off downtown at some mugger over a 10 dollar, 10 year old purse, just bet the house and everthing you own and roll those dice and bet it all on the come.

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Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>If the shooter was wearing the purse at the time, or if his wife was wearing the purse at the time and another person stepped out and said, "gimme that purse or I'm gonna stab ya!". Then, shooting the robber is an act of self defense. Shooting hime as he runs away, after the fact, is not self defense.
Additionally, one steps way out on a limb in defense of others, which is not the same as self defense. Therefore, if someone is running away from someone else after stealing their 10.00 dollar, 10 year old purse and you run off after them and commit another felony for some selfish reason, then you commit a crime and the robber commits a crime and you both need to go to jail.
In ye olden days, this conversation would not even be taking place.
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The perp would have been toast, the towns people would celebrate, and the sheriff would remark that the idiot 'needed killing.'

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You missed my point. I was merely suggesting that IF the shooter had witnessed a brutal act that would rise to the level of a violent felony, then perhaps THAT is what motivated him to chase the bad-guys. Of course, what he did after they stopped is what is in question. however, it seems a done-deal now. Not good for ccw.
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<quoted text>Show me which law that authorizes the first or second person PERSON to mete out retribution to another person for their alleged past tense harm to the first or second person?
It doensn't exist. DEFENSE is not OFFENSE and if you deal with someone else's ALLEGED robber in an OFFENSIVE manner, maybe they will be happy that you did that for them, however the state is going to be mad at you for putting a rip in the moral fabric of society and they will mend that rip with your ass in a sewing machine.
Additionally, if my loved ones or myself were to be harmed by a overly attendant person who may or may not have a ccw, you can kiss your house and anything you own good bye, because the law firm I retain to seek out justice for my harm is going to have some pretty good professional asset finders to find your stuff.
So go ahead, shoot your gun off downtown at some mugger over a 10 dollar, 10 year old purse, just bet the house and everthing you own and roll those dice and bet it all on the come.

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The more I think about this the more I believe Webb acted as a good samaritan. On the high seas, no skipper can be prosecuted for being the good samaritan - that's the law. In fact, if you ignore another boater's distress you could be prosecuted (if you have the capacity to help).

How was Webb to know the purse had so little value ? What if it contained 10 gold coins (mint condition)? Her grandma's life savings ?

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Highlander wrote:
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In ye olden days, this conversation would not even be taking place.
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The perp would have been toast, the towns people would celebrate, and the sheriff would remark that the idiot 'needed killing.'
No, in "ye olden days" the sheriff would have some women point out some other poor schmuck as a being a witch and then there would have been witch trial, a dunking stool, then the sheriff seizing that family's property.
Frankly, I'm surprised that you'd suck a sheriff's duck, highlander.

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You missed my point. I was merely suggesting that IF the shooter had witnessed a brutal act that would rise to the level of a violent felony, then perhaps THAT is what motivated him to chase the bad-guys.
You're saying that if a person witnesses a violent felony, they may lose their mind and mimic the offender in the same way that children who play violent video games might mimic those as well?

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Tory II wrote:
The more I think about this the more I believe Webb acted as a good samaritan. On the high seas, no skipper can be prosecuted for being the good samaritan - that's the law.
Therefore, if the mugger was robbing to feed his babies or his sister's babies, then he becomes a "good samaritan" and a victim of the shooter.

Excellent analogy.

Why don't you simply say that the law does not apply to white people. THAT logic, I could understand. Because, to use your "good samaritan" analogy, would be to excuse the 9/11 hijackers, depending on how one would look at it.

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Bubbletoes wrote:
I meant to say, was the lady injured by the purse snatcher? Although it may be a legal moot point, it still may have motivated all this if she was.
Yeah, in the US, mob rule and retribution killing is all the rage in an era when per-capita crime rates are at their lowest in thirty years.

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Same opinion as here tory II, webb acted as a good Samaritan and did a pretty good job of doing his part.

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Same opinion as here tory II, webb acted as a good Samaritan and did a pretty good job of doing his part.
Webb is a convicted criminal by his own admission and was given a plea bargain to reduce his felony crime to a misdemeanor one.

Make sure, that when you see some child fingering 30 year old get a reduced sentence in a plea bargain, that you go shake his hand and give him one of those "good samaritan" bumperstickers to put on his conversion van or camper, lest you be accuse of being biased in regards to your opinion on convicts.

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Webb and a child fingering convict are in two different ballparks, and I find it pretty sad that you'd even compare to the two and make the assumption that I think that I would want a fingering 30 year old to get any less then a swift blow to the head with a baseball bat for his crimes is totally unprecedented.

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