Be A Hero For Clarkdale Elementary School

That's not a sad image, except in the fact that, so much money was confiscated from the citizens and then spent on a school of indoctrination. Otherwise, that's a happy picture. One more public school underwater means maybe 400 American children can rise above the water on their own.

We're being constantly bombarded by government telling us they are the only help we'll ever need. Now, suddenly, after wasting millions, the media wants us to spend more so the indoctrination can continue. The kids are better off if they don't have to attend that school--- if the parents will take the responsibility they should.(big if)

Mike - what are you talking about? The image of Clarkdale Elementary School is truly a sad one for many people. That school has been opened since 1963 and has been a solid foundation for many people over the years. It is still considered a small community school and the people who work and attend there are like family. The community as well as the parents will take care of each other, but when something of this magnetude happens, rebuilding without assistance from the government (county, state, federal) is impossible. I also personally take offense to you stating that public schools are only schools of indoctination. I am a public school teacher (who happened to attend Clarkdale for five year) and I assure you the only indoctrination I am guilty of is teaching English and language skills to the adults of tomorrow.

I'm sure it's a sad image for many. It's not a sad image for me, except for the fact that, more money will now have to be confiscated to rebuild that school. It will not be a loss for the kids who now may get educated rather than indoctrinated.

If you were an english teacher, you should be proud of the "english" kids nowadays are using. It's almost intelligible. Likely is not your fault, but recognize the real problem is, minimal education is offered at public schools. Public schools purposely avoid helping students to think and reason for themselves.

However, if you were a union teacher, solidly union, you were a part of the problem.

Mike what's your age and profession?

Also, Mike I attended a public school and that minimal education is the reason I will be attending one of the top law schools in the country by this time next year. By the way I think for myself everyday.

There are students with private education who has never had an idea of their own. It does not matter what school you attend; its how you handle the situation and your determination to succeed even with resources may be limited

No matter what school you attend; your education is only worth the amount of effort you put in.

Fifties and industrial electronics.

And as far as you get out of it what you put into it, you are absolutely correct. The problem is the system doesn't require students to put anything into it. Public school students MUST attend-- it's law. Many of them refuse to put any effort into their own education for that and a host of other reasons. Add that to parents who have little to no interest in their own kids' education, you get a miserable situation.

YOU HAVE POLITICIANS GOVERNING THE EDUCATION OF THE FUTURE OF THE NATION!!! That's one of the main reasons we have the problems we have in this country.

Many attend public schools and then attend top universities-- that doesn't necessarily mean they have learned to think for themselves, but it is a good sign. I attended public school years ago (too many years ago). I learned to think in spite of that, not because of that.

You may be the exception and I may be the exception, but look at what's coming out of the public schools. Take any graduating class and see how many can solve basic math problems, or properly speak the english language, or better yet, see how many can solve problems which require logic and common sense. Can you tell me the majority or even a large minority have that ability? They don't have a fire in the heart, unless it's there to light a crack pipe.

Okay, please proceed with the match. I've got my box of popcorn and I've placed my bet. I had to go with the good odds that Mike will be losing this fight.

MalinoisMom wrote:

Okay, please proceed with the match. I've got my box of popcorn and I've placed my bet. I had to go with the good odds that Mike will be losing this fight.

I usually stick to politics but Mike has just struck a nerve.

mike wrote:

That's not a sad image, except in the fact that, so much money was confiscated from the citizens and then spent on a school of indoctrination.

Mike, no one likes a crybaby. If you hate taxes so much you can leave.

mike wrote:

Otherwise, that's a happy picture. One more public school underwater means maybe 400 American children can rise above the water on their own.

How? By sitting at home?

mike wrote:

We're being constantly bombarded by government telling us they are the only help we'll ever need.

[Citation needed]

mike wrote:

Now, suddenly, after wasting millions, the media wants us to spend more so the indoctrination can continue.

You sound pretty indoctrinated sure you haven't joined some Tinfoil wearing group?

mike wrote:

The kids are better off if they don't have to attend that school--- if the parents will take the responsibility they should.(big if)

But they won't and you know it, to tell the truth you just don't give a damn, after all all you care about is your profits.

mike wrote:

I'm sure it's a sad image for many. It's not a sad image for me, except for the fact that, more money will now have to be confiscated to rebuild that school.

It's called Taxes, suck it up.

mike wrote:

It will not be a loss for the kids who now may get educated rather than indoctrinated.

Educated by whom? How is cramming them into another school going to educate them?

mike wrote:

If you were an english teacher, you should be proud of the "english" kids nowadays are using. It's almost intelligible.

You aren't around many children apparently.

mike wrote:

Likely is not your fault, but recognize the real problem is, minimal education is offered at public schools. Public schools purposely avoid helping students to think and reason for themselves.

You're parroting talking points that others created. How is that "Thinking for yourself"?

mike wrote:

However, if you were a union teacher, solidly union, you were a part of the problem.

Typical accusation of the Anarcho-Capitalist. It's ALWAYS the Unions fault.

Sorry, M&M. I'm not here to convince; I'm here to express my opinion and possibly glean wisdom from someone else's.

First, where does this "Profit" thing come in? The purpose of the public school system is to train people to help corporations to make a profit-- to train them to be good and obedient workers, employees of businesses, large and small. I want people to be trained to think for themselves and make their own businesses; sounds like you want the status quo.

Mike, no one likes a crybaby. If you hate taxes so much you can leave.

You sound pretty indoctrinated sure you haven't joined some Tinfoil wearing group?

Useless insults in an intelligent (hopefully) conversation. I know you can do better if you really want to converse.

What nerve did I strike? Are you an educator?

This is like a typical conversation on religion, where comments are broken down into their small parts and the individual parts are rejected. The whole idea is never considered. If your goal is to win the argument, I'll capitulate now; it's not my purpose. My purpose is to learn. What do you want?

Lastly, do you have a problem with a company making a profit?

mike wrote:

Fifties and industrial electronics.
And as far as you get out of it what you put into it, you are absolutely correct. The problem is the system doesn't require students to put anything into it. Public school students MUST attend-- it's law. Many of them refuse to put any effort into their own education for that and a host of other reasons. Add that to parents who have little to no interest in their own kids' education, you get a miserable situation.

So making them so they don't have to attend will solve the problem how???

mike wrote:

YOU HAVE POLITICIANS GOVERNING THE EDUCATION OF THE FUTURE OF THE NATION!!!

Is that any worse than a Priest or some guy who's in it simply for profit?

mike wrote:

That's one of the main reasons we have the problems we have in this country.

Yet you seem to offer no solutions.

mike wrote:

Many attend public schools and then attend top universities-- that doesn't necessarily mean they have learned to think for themselves, but it is a good sign. I attended public school years ago (too many years ago). I learned to think in spite of that, not because of that.

Yet you're quoting propaganda that others have stated in the past.
What are you? An older version of the non-conforming conformist? If you were one of these students I bet you'd be one of those Black Bloc Anarchist Rioters raging against "The Man" while shopping at hot topic for black clothes.

mike wrote:

You may be the exception and I may be the exception, but look at what's coming out of the public schools. Take any graduating class and see how many can solve basic math problems, or properly speak the English language, or better yet, see how many can solve problems which require logic and common sense. Can you tell me the majority or even a large minority have that ability? They don't have a fire in the heart, unless it's there to light a crack pipe.

People like you saying education is a joke aren't helping the situation though.

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If you hate "The evil that is government" and their "Evil taxes" then perhaps you should move to Somalia.

There you don't have to worry about that evil government taking your money... Just the Warlords.

FYI - There are no teacher's unions in Georgia. Also, one question, when was the last time you attended a class in a public school? My guess is that you are speaking without the benefit of any actual knowledge of what is being taught in public schools. I teach my students how to use their critical thinking skills everyday. I do not merely give them information to process. I TEACH them how to take the information I present and then to anaylize it and utilize it for their advancement. And for the record - educators like me are not part of the problem. We are part of the solution. You and your negative attitude about public education can only hinder our efforts.

-INTERMISSION-

(Had to get another box of popcorn to munch on while I watch this show.)

He struck one with me too, Watcher. That's why I placed my bets against him winning. My Mother happens to substitute teach at Clarkdale quite often. Plus, I attended public schools and have a Master's degree, as do both of my parents. My sister attended public schools, and she is a Doctor! Blanket statements, such as those that Mike made, can indeed strike plenty of nerves.

(I now return you to the regularly scheduled program.)

-LIGHTS DIMMED-

Missed the rest of your post.

1. I don't parrot anyone, unless what they said makes sense and I have sufficiently proven it to myself.

2. 5 kids (older) and 13 Grandkids (not older) I love working with kids since I recognize them as the future of the nation.

3. As far as unions go (sounds like the nerve I struck), I was raised and lived around unions...Unions and politics are one in the same. The original idea of unions was great. Then when they realized power, they perverted their own idea and headed toward Marxist ideas. Maybe it would help you to read a little of the Communist Manifesto. Unions, the way they operate, was a major part of Marxist theory... and it indeed is working.

By the way, can you please define the term you used, "anarcho-capitalist" ? I'd sure love to hear it.

You don't really want to discuss this, do you? You simply find it an opportunity to insult.

FYI - There are no teacher's unions in Georgia.

Georgia Association of Educators, an affiliate of the NEA. Do you not call that a teachers' union? There's another smaller one, but I forget what it's called.

I've known many teachers who are great at what they do. Their main problem is getting the job done with the rules they have to abide. And I've known a few who didn't care whether their students learned anything. This problem is not about the teachers, usually. As I said it's about the system.

How about we do it this way: please indicate where, in the United States Constitution the Federal government has any position to involve themselves in the education of the public. The feds seem to be the main part of the problem, setting silly rules which do no good and often make no sense.

Oh Mike.....you do make a few good points, but some of your other comments make my head hurt.

It's late and words have been flying from my fingers all day. They are tired. I'm tired.

I'll address this tomorrow.....afterall, tomorrow is another day.:)

elementaryhistoryteacher wrote:

Oh Mike.....you do make a few good points, but some of your other comments make my head hurt.
It's late and words have been flying from my fingers all day. They are tired. I'm tired.
I'll address this tomorrow.....afterall, tomorrow is another day.:)

remember, you promised-- kind of.

You are an angry bipolar-mania, borderline personality idiot. You need to take medication. I wouldn't want to be anybody involved in your life. You are pathetic.

A school for 400+ children has been destroyed. This means local schools will have to double up on the class size to accommodate these kids.

Just what would you like these kids to do? They are there to get an education. Would you like them to drink your magic kool-aid so that they all can afford to go to private school for hopes of a different change.

Private schools for the most part aren't all that. Just more of the same only charging big bucks for it and putting a uniform on the kids. EVERY kid gets out of an education what they put in it.

If you were so highly and privately educated, I doubt you would be on this public board spewing your venom. I believe you are just an angry manic-bipolar, borderline personality type that really needs to shut the "F" up! Jerk.

Don't bother responding. I know your type. Borderline personality is best ignored. I will NOT feed into your poison.

Mike is amlost rite? Wii aint need nuttin from schoolin& Me did nuttin at a publix school. ann i is find just find.

Mike is a Nincompoop. The school board has insurance. The News Readers have all ready talked about that.

Mike is wrong. The fact that government schools are doing a lousey job doesnt justify the destruction of a school building. If that were the case, it would justify someone with a violent streak doing the same. So my apology for the inconsiderate rant. I may be correct in some points made, but I was wrong on the basic premise about the school being destroyed. Last night was a wierd night; I think it was something I ate.